Anonymous wrote:Disney will not ask for them to sign anything today. Or offer a settlement. Or require an NDA (cat's kinda outta the bag).

No waiver or discharge would be effective under these circumstances if it were obtained anytime in the near future. A judge would toss it before you could say please.

And what does "gator infested" mean? There weren't thousand plundering the shoreline snacking on bipedals. And how much do you want to bet that Dos Rt has asked Frida Wildlife to remove them all and have been denied? If the animals aren't bothering anyone, they aren't a nuisance and FWC will let the gators be.

Then Disney was faced with a moral dilemma. And that should have been resolved in favor of warning people that there were alligators and not HOSTING EVENTS IN THE AREA WHERE THESE CREATURES LIVE. The last is not that hard. If I know an area of my home has bats, I seal off the area from the rest of the house, and have them removed at the proper time of year (they are also protected). Yes, the pond is lovely to look at and a great place for people to gather, but to have planned events with children (most in danger) in that area is bad news.

Cape Cod now has a good number of Great Whites in Chatham. Yes, the town lets the tourists know, even takes them out in boats to Monomoy where the seals are in the hopes of glimpsing a White.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is a 2-yr-old up at 9:30?

that's your response to this tragedy? are you the spawn of trump?

I guess, and no. Gators will eat what they eat. Keep kids away and they won't get eaten.

Why would anyone expect gators to be at disney? How would you know to take precautions at an amusement park or resort?

They spray for mosquitoes but don't remove gators? WTF?

I'm PP, and why would a 2-yr-old be on a beach at 9:30 pm?

Because not everyone is an uptight, judgmental asswipe like you. What an awful person you must be. Good GOD.

Disney's product is being sold to families to have their small children on the gross lagoon beach at night by having light shows and fireworks. Disney is 100% at fault. They have no warnings about alligators.

I walk along the path at grand flo often for exercise. Never have I seen someone patrolling the water.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand this mindset that if something bad happens to you unexpectedly you feel entitled that someone should have predicted it and prevented it for you.

+1000. This is what's wrong with America. Should Disney have posted signs warning about alligators? Probably. But who is ultimately responsible for this tragedy? The parents who allowed their 2 y/o to wade/swim in 12 inches of water at 9:30 despite the "No swimming" signs. The average 2 y/o is about 2 feet & this child was in 1 foot of water at night. Of course something tragic could happen. Unfortunately, it did and the child paid the ultimate consequence. I don't understand how anyone could think Disney is responsible for this.

Wrong. Some activities are defined as an "ultrahazardous activity", in which the company will be held strictly liable. This is one example.

Lol! This is NOT an ultrahazardous activity. If you did go to law school, you certainly failed torts.

Disney is very very thoughtful and controlling of the whole environment at the parks if they thought this was a risk at all I'm are there would have been signs or alligator controls or something. They do try to think of all of these little details.

I think it was a horrible, terrible tragedy. I don't think Disney or the parents were at fault. Did they do 110% all they could do to prevent this? No, but it is such an incredibly rare and unexpected event that I would never consider them negligent. (If the toddler got a skin infection from that nasty water I would blame the parents though).

Anyway, I bet that Disney will do all that they can to help those affected by this tragedy. They had just announced plans to help the Pulse nightclub families. It will never replace the boy but they will do all they can to help.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand this mindset that if something bad happens to you unexpectedly you feel entitled that someone should have predicted it and prevented it for you.

+1000. This is what's wrong with America. Should Disney have posted signs warning about alligators? Probably. But who is ultimately responsible for this tragedy? The parents who allowed their 2 y/o to wade/swim in 12 inches of water at 9:30 despite the "No swimming" signs. The average 2 y/o is about 2 feet & this child was in 1 foot of water at night. Of course something tragic could happen. Unfortunately, it did and the child paid the ultimate consequence. I don't understand how anyone could think Disney is responsible for this.

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"Welcome to Disney resort. Please enjoy our wonderful pool, food and amenities. Please do not swim in lake along the property as there is a steep drop off. Also, just a small thing to note, THERE MAY BE GATORS IN THE WATER AND ON OUR OUR PREMISES."

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Anonymous wrote:How dumb are these parents? Who in the United States doesn't know that ANY body of water in FL (besides the ocean), no matter how pretty or inviting it may seem likely has gators and/or venomous things. I love that we're splitting hairs between swimming and wading, when this child shouldn't have been touching water, period. Even if the signs don't say it - why risk it?

Wonder how close the dad was to the kid - bc I would think a dad standing right there could grab the kid under the armpits end pull hard enough to pull him out. Though I guess that also depends on the gators grip.

Sad but I don't want to see Disney paying out huge sums here.

Okay, for one thing, if you believe that every single person in the US is aware of the dangers of alligators in Florida, you are a moron. Full stop.

Secondly, even if this kid was standing 12 inches away, not touching the water, the alligator still could have gotten him.

Really? I would wager that people who don't know about gators in Florida are the idiots.

Yes, I know that you would wager that. Because you don't know shit about how the world works.

We're not talking about the world. We're talking about the US. And if the US school system hasn't taught families well off enough to visit Disney that there are gators in Florida, they're morons.

I am highly educated. I live in New England and visit beaches nearly every day. I am aware that alligators live in Florida, and specifically in the Everglades. I would never dream that there are alligators at the shoreline of a Disney advertised "white sands" beach where families are encouraged to play and watch fireworks. Absent signage saying "No Wading" due to bacteria, alligators, whatever, my 2 year old would certainly have been allowed to go in the water up to his ankles as I stood nearby.

There but by the grace of God go I. Just horrifying.

This is what confuses me. Why is Disney somehow separate from Florida? Is it not in Florida? How would you reasonably expect them to ensure there is no wildlife in their waters? Seriously. How?

We all know how Disney is so meticulous about controlling things, creating a sterile fantasy, that I would think Disney would not deign to allow wildlife in its man-made lagoon next to a man-made lake at a family resort.

Florida wildlife and game commissioner has stated that Disney was very responsible in removing alligators and working with his agency. Sheriff said the same thing. If there is a trial, these two would be strong witnesses for Disney. I don't envision a quickie settlement so many of you imagine. Florida also has a comparable negligence defense, which the jury can determines if parents were also negligent in any way. If so, how much were the negligent.

That's if the suit goes to trial. I don't think Disney or the family is culpable, but I do think Disney will compensate the family. Their loss happened at Disney -- Disney will give them money, not an admission of guilt.

Well a lot of that will depend on how much money the parents feel they should be compensated for. If it's a reasonable amount to Disney, yes they will give them something. If the parents go for the jugular, I don't expect Disney will just rollover without putting up a defense.

Honestly no one is at fault here. This is very similar to if a panther had jumped the fence and attacked a small child. Crazy, wild and a freak of nature. And yes, Florida has panthers too.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is a 2-yr-old up at 9:30?

that's your response to this tragedy? are you the spawn of trump?

I guess, and no. Gators will eat what they eat. Keep kids away and they won't get eaten.

Why would anyone expect gators to be at disney? How would you know to take precautions at an amusement park or resort?

They spray for mosquitoes but don't remove gators? WTF?

I'm PP, and why would a 2-yr-old be on a beach at 9:30 pm?

Because not everyone is an uptight, judgmental asswipe like you. What an awful person you must be. Good GOD.

Disney. Not Dos Rt!

Am I the only one who thinks the apocalypse might be starting, and that Florida is ground zero? What a shithole.

Disney will not ask for them to sign anything today. Or offer a settlement. Or require an NDA (cat's kinda outta the bag).

No waiver or discharge would be effective under these circumstances if it were obtained anytime in the near future. A judge would toss it before you could say please.

And what does "gator infested" mean? There weren't thousand plundering the shoreline snacking on bipedals. And how much do you want to bet that Dos Rt has asked Frida Wildlife to remove them all and have been denied? If the animals aren't bothering anyone, they aren't a nuisance and FWC will let the gators be.

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Do oceanfront resorts alert everyone there are sharks in the water?

Yes, they do, especially if the sharks are known to frequent the area. And if the lifeguards spot a shark, they go crazy to get everyone out of the water immediately.

Disney has a higher obligation because the lake/pond is on their property. They own it, heck they created it.

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Anonymous wrote:Orlando here. I have a pond near my home with 5 baby alligators. They're everywhere. Hilton head has alligator signs literally everywhere and Disney has none.

This is totally not true. All of the 'beaches' on Disney property warn walks not to swim in the water.

There are no alligator signs. You dope.

These assholes at Disney don't like gator signs. Well, look you idiots. A child is dead.