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In related news...is this true?

"The city estimates there were 1,311 homeless families in 2015, a sharp rise from 800 six years ago."
http://www.thegeorgetowndish.com/thedish/planned-shelter-sites-spark-initial-debate

I don't know if it is true, but it's certainly the case that, if your city has the most/best free housing in the greater area, more people who want or need free housing will find their way to your city.

You mean, homeless people have brains ????????

A few years back, in a different town, when I lived in a poor section of town, a lady who lived next door on Section 8 subsidy was sitting out on her porch drinking one night, and she told me all about her deal in quite a bit of detail - it was her, two boyfriends (though one was in jail on assault charges), her 3 kids, and her sister - they were all involved in doing residency fraud and false identities in multiple jurisdictions, collecting every benefit they could, lying to social workers about living arrangements and support, bartering away benefits so that they could get beer money, misrepresenting their situation, all kinds of stuff. They were all in their 20s, none of them had worked a real job in years, other than the other boyfriend selling weed and other hustles on the side. They did nothing but party. I'm not saying all folks are like that and in fact most of them aren't, but there are definitely some grifters out there who would think nothing of lying, cheating and deceiving in order to get a free apartment. It was also common practice for cops to pick up homeless folks and put them on a bus with a one-way ticket to a town that was "more amenable to the homeless." This stuff happens.

I have known folks like this from when I was growing up. I also know it going the other direction (in this case, not homeless housing but subsidized housing). I was living in one of what I thought was one of the nicest complexes in downtown Bethesda, and my neighbor who came from way more money than my family has ever seen explained that, since she was starting her own business and consequently had little income, her rent was subsidized by the government. (Her dad had worked it out for her.).

The system can so easily be gamed. (Especially on a larger level with the mayor's buddies.) Without some reasonable level of transparency, there's no chance. And I absolutely don't trust DC government.

Yes, when I lived in NYC, knew folks in arts and publishing. Loaded parents who arranged for them to live in affordable housing based on their salaries, then paid for their credit card bills every month.

Gaming the rent control system in NYC is an art form.

these are not rent control buildings. these are affordable housing buildings where only residents with certain incomes can live. wholly different

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In related news...is this true?

"The city estimates there were 1,311 homeless families in 2015, a sharp rise from 800 six years ago."
http://www.thegeorgetowndish.com/thedish/planned-shelter-sites-spark-initial-debate

I don't know if it is true, but it's certainly the case that, if your city has the most/best free housing in the greater area, more people who want or need free housing will find their way to your city.

You mean, homeless people have brains ????????

A few years back, in a different town, when I lived in a poor section of town, a lady who lived next door on Section 8 subsidy was sitting out on her porch drinking one night, and she told me all about her deal in quite a bit of detail - it was her, two boyfriends (though one was in jail on assault charges), her 3 kids, and her sister - they were all involved in doing residency fraud and false identities in multiple jurisdictions, collecting every benefit they could, lying to social workers about living arrangements and support, bartering away benefits so that they could get beer money, misrepresenting their situation, all kinds of stuff. They were all in their 20s, none of them had worked a real job in years, other than the other boyfriend selling weed and other hustles on the side. They did nothing but party. I'm not saying all folks are like that and in fact most of them aren't, but there are definitely some grifters out there who would think nothing of lying, cheating and deceiving in order to get a free apartment. It was also common practice for cops to pick up homeless folks and put them on a bus with a one-way ticket to a town that was "more amenable to the homeless." This stuff happens.

I have known folks like this from when I was growing up. I also know it going the other direction (in this case, not homeless housing but subsidized housing). I was living in one of what I thought was one of the nicest complexes in downtown Bethesda, and my neighbor who came from way more money than my family has ever seen explained that, since she was starting her own business and consequently had little income, her rent was subsidized by the government. (Her dad had worked it out for her.).

The system can so easily be gamed. (Especially on a larger level with the mayor's buddies.) Without some reasonable level of transparency, there's no chance. And I absolutely don't trust DC government.

Yes, when I lived in NYC, knew folks in arts and publishing. Loaded parents who arranged for them to live in affordable housing based on their salaries, then paid for their credit card bills every month.

Gaming the rent control system in NYC is an art form.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In related news...is this true?

"The city estimates there were 1,311 homeless families in 2015, a sharp rise from 800 six years ago."
http://www.thegeorgetowndish.com/thedish/planned-shelter-sites-spark-initial-debate

I don't know if it is true, but it's certainly the case that, if your city has the most/best free housing in the greater area, more people who want or need free housing will find their way to your city.

You mean, homeless people have brains ????????

A few years back, in a different town, when I lived in a poor section of town, a lady who lived next door on Section 8 subsidy was sitting out on her porch drinking one night, and she told me all about her deal in quite a bit of detail - it was her, two boyfriends (though one was in jail on assault charges), her 3 kids, and her sister - they were all involved in doing residency fraud and false identities in multiple jurisdictions, collecting every benefit they could, lying to social workers about living arrangements and support, bartering away benefits so that they could get beer money, misrepresenting their situation, all kinds of stuff. They were all in their 20s, none of them had worked a real job in years, other than the other boyfriend selling weed and other hustles on the side. They did nothing but party. I'm not saying all folks are like that and in fact most of them aren't, but there are definitely some grifters out there who would think nothing of lying, cheating and deceiving in order to get a free apartment. It was also common practice for cops to pick up homeless folks and put them on a bus with a one-way ticket to a town that was "more amenable to the homeless." This stuff happens.

I have known folks like this from when I was growing up. I also know it going the other direction (in this case, not homeless housing but subsidized housing). I was living in one of what I thought was one of the nicest complexes in downtown Bethesda, and my neighbor who came from way more money than my family has ever seen explained that, since she was starting her own business and consequently had little income, her rent was subsidized by the government. (Her dad had worked it out for her.).

The system can so easily be gamed. (Especially on a larger level with the mayor's buddies.) Without some reasonable level of transparency, there's no chance. And I absolutely don't trust DC government.

Transparency, you say?

Doesn't look like this Mayor even understands the concept

-1. She understands it all too well, and that's why she's doing the precise opposite, not even disclosing the criteria or process followed to choose the specific 7 new locations. Best way to avoid any accountability.

....and not disclosing the owners and the proposed deals and understandings behind each one. This will make one heck on an interesting FOIA story.

... except for the deliberative process exemption.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In related news...is this true?

"The city estimates there were 1,311 homeless families in 2015, a sharp rise from 800 six years ago."
http://www.thegeorgetowndish.com/thedish/planned-shelter-sites-spark-initial-debate

I don't know if it is true, but it's certainly the case that, if your city has the most/best free housing in the greater area, more people who want or need free housing will find their way to your city.

You mean, homeless people have brains ????????

A few years back, in a different town, when I lived in a poor section of town, a lady who lived next door on Section 8 subsidy was sitting out on her porch drinking one night, and she told me all about her deal in quite a bit of detail - it was her, two boyfriends (though one was in jail on assault charges), her 3 kids, and her sister - they were all involved in doing residency fraud and false identities in multiple jurisdictions, collecting every benefit they could, lying to social workers about living arrangements and support, bartering away benefits so that they could get beer money, misrepresenting their situation, all kinds of stuff. They were all in their 20s, none of them had worked a real job in years, other than the other boyfriend selling weed and other hustles on the side. They did nothing but party. I'm not saying all folks are like that and in fact most of them aren't, but there are definitely some grifters out there who would think nothing of lying, cheating and deceiving in order to get a free apartment. It was also common practice for cops to pick up homeless folks and put them on a bus with a one-way ticket to a town that was "more amenable to the homeless." This stuff happens.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In related news...is this true?

"The city estimates there were 1,311 homeless families in 2015, a sharp rise from 800 six years ago."
http://www.thegeorgetowndish.com/thedish/planned-shelter-sites-spark-initial-debate

I don't know if it is true, but it's certainly the case that, if your city has the most/best free housing in the greater area, more people who want or need free housing will find their way to your city.

You mean, homeless people have brains ????????

A few years back, in a different town, when I lived in a poor section of town, a lady who lived next door on Section 8 subsidy was sitting out on her porch drinking one night, and she told me all about her deal in quite a bit of detail - it was her, two boyfriends (though one was in jail on assault charges), her 3 kids, and her sister - they were all involved in doing residency fraud and false identities in multiple jurisdictions, collecting every benefit they could, lying to social workers about living arrangements and support, bartering away benefits so that they could get beer money, misrepresenting their situation, all kinds of stuff. They were all in their 20s, none of them had worked a real job in years, other than the other boyfriend selling weed and other hustles on the side. They did nothing but party. I'm not saying all folks are like that and in fact most of them aren't, but there are definitely some grifters out there who would think nothing of lying, cheating and deceiving in order to get a free apartment. It was also common practice for cops to pick up homeless folks and put them on a bus with a one-way ticket to a town that was "more amenable to the homeless." This stuff happens.

I have known folks like this from when I was growing up. I also know it going the other direction (in this case, not homeless housing but subsidized housing). I was living in one of what I thought was one of the nicest complexes in downtown Bethesda, and my neighbor who came from way more money than my family has ever seen explained that, since she was starting her own business and consequently had little income, her rent was subsidized by the government. (Her dad had worked it out for her.).

The system can so easily be gamed. (Especially on a larger level with the mayor's buddies.) Without some reasonable level of transparency, there's no chance. And I absolutely don't trust DC government.

Transparency, you say?

Doesn't look like this Mayor even understands the concept

-1. She understands it all too well, and that's why she's doing the precise opposite, not even disclosing the criteria or process followed to choose the specific 7 new locations. Best way to avoid any accountability.

....and not disclosing the owners and the proposed deals and understandings behind each one. This will make one heck on an interesting FOIA story.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In related news...is this true?

"The city estimates there were 1,311 homeless families in 2015, a sharp rise from 800 six years ago."
http://www.thegeorgetowndish.com/thedish/planned-shelter-sites-spark-initial-debate

I don't know if it is true, but it's certainly the case that, if your city has the most/best free housing in the greater area, more people who want or need free housing will find their way to your city.

You mean, homeless people have brains ????????

A few years back, in a different town, when I lived in a poor section of town, a lady who lived next door on Section 8 subsidy was sitting out on her porch drinking one night, and she told me all about her deal in quite a bit of detail - it was her, two boyfriends (though one was in jail on assault charges), her 3 kids, and her sister - they were all involved in doing residency fraud and false identities in multiple jurisdictions, collecting every benefit they could, lying to social workers about living arrangements and support, bartering away benefits so that they could get beer money, misrepresenting their situation, all kinds of stuff. They were all in their 20s, none of them had worked a real job in years, other than the other boyfriend selling weed and other hustles on the side. They did nothing but party. I'm not saying all folks are like that and in fact most of them aren't, but there are definitely some grifters out there who would think nothing of lying, cheating and deceiving in order to get a free apartment. It was also common practice for cops to pick up homeless folks and put them on a bus with a one-way ticket to a town that was "more amenable to the homeless." This stuff happens.

I have known folks like this from when I was growing up. I also know it going the other direction (in this case, not homeless housing but subsidized housing). I was living in one of what I thought was one of the nicest complexes in downtown Bethesda, and my neighbor who came from way more money than my family has ever seen explained that, since she was starting her own business and consequently had little income, her rent was subsidized by the government. (Her dad had worked it out for her.).

The system can so easily be gamed. (Especially on a larger level with the mayor's buddies.) Without some reasonable level of transparency, there's no chance. And I absolutely don't trust DC government.

Yes, when I lived in NYC, knew folks in arts and publishing. Loaded parents who arranged for them to live in affordable housing based on their salaries, then paid for their credit card bills every month.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In related news...is this true?

"The city estimates there were 1,311 homeless families in 2015, a sharp rise from 800 six years ago."
http://www.thegeorgetowndish.com/thedish/planned-shelter-sites-spark-initial-debate

I don't know if it is true, but it's certainly the case that, if your city has the most/best free housing in the greater area, more people who want or need free housing will find their way to your city.

You mean, homeless people have brains ????????

A few years back, in a different town, when I lived in a poor section of town, a lady who lived next door on Section 8 subsidy was sitting out on her porch drinking one night, and she told me all about her deal in quite a bit of detail - it was her, two boyfriends (though one was in jail on assault charges), her 3 kids, and her sister - they were all involved in doing residency fraud and false identities in multiple jurisdictions, collecting every benefit they could, lying to social workers about living arrangements and support, bartering away benefits so that they could get beer money, misrepresenting their situation, all kinds of stuff. They were all in their 20s, none of them had worked a real job in years, other than the other boyfriend selling weed and other hustles on the side. They did nothing but party. I'm not saying all folks are like that and in fact most of them aren't, but there are definitely some grifters out there who would think nothing of lying, cheating and deceiving in order to get a free apartment. It was also common practice for cops to pick up homeless folks and put them on a bus with a one-way ticket to a town that was "more amenable to the homeless." This stuff happens.

I have known folks like this from when I was growing up. I also know it going the other direction (in this case, not homeless housing but subsidized housing). I was living in one of what I thought was one of the nicest complexes in downtown Bethesda, and my neighbor who came from way more money than my family has ever seen explained that, since she was starting her own business and consequently had little income, her rent was subsidized by the government. (Her dad had worked it out for her.).

The system can so easily be gamed. (Especially on a larger level with the mayor's buddies.) Without some reasonable level of transparency, there's no chance. And I absolutely don't trust DC government.

Transparency, you say?

Doesn't look like this Mayor even understands the concept

-1. She understands it all too well, and that's why she's doing the precise opposite, not even disclosing the criteria or process followed to choose the specific 7 new locations. Best way to avoid any accountability.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In related news...is this true?

"The city estimates there were 1,311 homeless families in 2015, a sharp rise from 800 six years ago."
http://www.thegeorgetowndish.com/thedish/planned-shelter-sites-spark-initial-debate

I don't know if it is true, but it's certainly the case that, if your city has the most/best free housing in the greater area, more people who want or need free housing will find their way to your city.

You mean, homeless people have brains ????????

A few years back, in a different town, when I lived in a poor section of town, a lady who lived next door on Section 8 subsidy was sitting out on her porch drinking one night, and she told me all about her deal in quite a bit of detail - it was her, two boyfriends (though one was in jail on assault charges), her 3 kids, and her sister - they were all involved in doing residency fraud and false identities in multiple jurisdictions, collecting every benefit they could, lying to social workers about living arrangements and support, bartering away benefits so that they could get beer money, misrepresenting their situation, all kinds of stuff. They were all in their 20s, none of them had worked a real job in years, other than the other boyfriend selling weed and other hustles on the side. They did nothing but party. I'm not saying all folks are like that and in fact most of them aren't, but there are definitely some grifters out there who would think nothing of lying, cheating and deceiving in order to get a free apartment. It was also common practice for cops to pick up homeless folks and put them on a bus with a one-way ticket to a town that was "more amenable to the homeless." This stuff happens.

I have known folks like this from when I was growing up. I also know it going the other direction (in this case, not homeless housing but subsidized housing). I was living in one of what I thought was one of the nicest complexes in downtown Bethesda, and my neighbor who came from way more money than my family has ever seen explained that, since she was starting her own business and consequently had little income, her rent was subsidized by the government. (Her dad had worked it out for her.).

The system can so easily be gamed. (Especially on a larger level with the mayor's buddies.) Without some reasonable level of transparency, there's no chance. And I absolutely don't trust DC government.

Transparency, you say?

Doesn't look like this Mayor even understands the concept

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In related news...is this true?

"The city estimates there were 1,311 homeless families in 2015, a sharp rise from 800 six years ago."
http://www.thegeorgetowndish.com/thedish/planned-shelter-sites-spark-initial-debate

I don't know if it is true, but it's certainly the case that, if your city has the most/best free housing in the greater area, more people who want or need free housing will find their way to your city.

You mean, homeless people have brains ????????

A few years back, in a different town, when I lived in a poor section of town, a lady who lived next door on Section 8 subsidy was sitting out on her porch drinking one night, and she told me all about her deal in quite a bit of detail - it was her, two boyfriends (though one was in jail on assault charges), her 3 kids, and her sister - they were all involved in doing residency fraud and false identities in multiple jurisdictions, collecting every benefit they could, lying to social workers about living arrangements and support, bartering away benefits so that they could get beer money, misrepresenting their situation, all kinds of stuff. They were all in their 20s, none of them had worked a real job in years, other than the other boyfriend selling weed and other hustles on the side. They did nothing but party. I'm not saying all folks are like that and in fact most of them aren't, but there are definitely some grifters out there who would think nothing of lying, cheating and deceiving in order to get a free apartment. It was also common practice for cops to pick up homeless folks and put them on a bus with a one-way ticket to a town that was "more amenable to the homeless." This stuff happens.

I have known folks like this from when I was growing up. I also know it going the other direction (in this case, not homeless housing but subsidized housing). I was living in one of what I thought was one of the nicest complexes in downtown Bethesda, and my neighbor who came from way more money than my family has ever seen explained that, since she was starting her own business and consequently had little income, her rent was subsidized by the government. (Her dad had worked it out for her.).

The system can so easily be gamed. (Especially on a larger level with the mayor's buddies.) Without some reasonable level of transparency, there's no chance. And I absolutely don't trust DC government.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In related news...is this true?

"The city estimates there were 1,311 homeless families in 2015, a sharp rise from 800 six years ago."
http://www.thegeorgetowndish.com/thedish/planned-shelter-sites-spark-initial-debate

I don't know if it is true, but it's certainly the case that, if your city has the most/best free housing in the greater area, more people who want or need free housing will find their way to your city.

You mean, homeless people have brains ????????

A few years back, in a different town, when I lived in a poor section of town, a lady who lived next door on Section 8 subsidy was sitting out on her porch drinking one night, and she told me all about her deal in quite a bit of detail - it was her, two boyfriends (though one was in jail on assault charges), her 3 kids, and her sister - they were all involved in doing residency fraud and false identities in multiple jurisdictions, collecting every benefit they could, lying to social workers about living arrangements and support, bartering away benefits so that they could get beer money, misrepresenting their situation, all kinds of stuff. They were all in their 20s, none of them had worked a real job in years, other than the other boyfriend selling weed and other hustles on the side. They did nothing but party. I'm not saying all folks are like that and in fact most of them aren't, but there are definitely some grifters out there who would think nothing of lying, cheating and deceiving in order to get a free apartment. It was also common practice for cops to pick up homeless folks and put them on a bus with a one-way ticket to a town that was "more amenable to the homeless." This stuff happens.

I have known folks like this from when I was growing up. I also know it going the other direction (in this case, not homeless housing but subsidized housing). I was living in one of what I thought was one of the nicest complexes in downtown Bethesda, and my neighbor who came from way more money than my family has ever seen explained that, since she was starting her own business and consequently had little income, her rent was subsidized by the government. (Her dad had worked it out for her.).

The system can so easily be gamed. (Especially on a larger level with the mayor's buddies.) Without some reasonable level of transparency, there's no chance. And I absolutely don't trust DC government.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Warehouses or abandoned buildings? Those are not designed for human habitation. You're talking about major renovations, asking for there to be major delays.

Asbestos abatement. Rodent proofing. Fire and building code compliance (e.g., exterior doors and windows for each bedroom), CofO.

In some cases it's $3300 just to lease. Then millions more to renovate/remodel or demolish and build new. And that doesn't even begin to touch on utilities, meals and everything else. This is such a massive boondoggle for connected contractors, landlords, et cetera.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In related news...is this true?

"The city estimates there were 1,311 homeless families in 2015, a sharp rise from 800 six years ago."
http://www.thegeorgetowndish.com/thedish/planned-shelter-sites-spark-initial-debate

I don't know if it is true, but it's certainly the case that, if your city has the most/best free housing in the greater area, more people who want or need free housing will find their way to your city.

You mean, homeless people have brains ????????

A few years back, in a different town, when I lived in a poor section of town, a lady who lived next door on Section 8 subsidy was sitting out on her porch drinking one night, and she told me all about her deal in quite a bit of detail - it was her, two boyfriends (though one was in jail on assault charges), her 3 kids, and her sister - they were all involved in doing residency fraud and false identities in multiple jurisdictions, collecting every benefit they could, lying to social workers about living arrangements and support, bartering away benefits so that they could get beer money, misrepresenting their situation, all kinds of stuff. They were all in their 20s, none of them had worked a real job in years, other than the other boyfriend selling weed and other hustles on the side. They did nothing but party. I'm not saying all folks are like that and in fact most of them aren't, but there are definitely some grifters out there who would think nothing of lying, cheating and deceiving in order to get a free apartment. It was also common practice for cops to pick up homeless folks and put them on a bus with a one-way ticket to a town that was "more amenable to the homeless." This stuff happens.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Warehouses or abandoned buildings? Those are not designed for human habitation. You're talking about major renovations, asking for there to be major delays.

Asbestos abatement. Rodent proofing. Fire and building code compliance (e.g., exterior doors and windows for each bedroom), CofO.