Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Option B is the Best. Res Ipsa Loquitur. B = Best
The best for whom? Not for taxpayers.
Sure it is. Those in the Option B zone for WJ certainly pay more taxes and dealt with over crowded WJ for decades+. Time to alleviate it. And more development coming under master plan. DCC pay less and get more
A million dollar house in WJ pays the same taxes as one in the DCC. A 2 million dollar house in the DCC pays more than a million dollar house in WJ. Yet WJ has more.
yah the point here is there are way more million dollar houses zoned for WJ than the whole DCC combined x2. 2million in the DCC?!? It might have happened on some unicorn of a property but that’s not a thing unless you’re talking cheap apt buildings, then yes there are lots of those. Look it this way all the families on or previously on FARMs (which is most of them most) likely don’t pay any property tax
Clearly you don’t know the dcc.
are you actually suggesting that the dcc has higher property values on average than the WJ catchment?
DP
DCC has 10,000 HS students. WJ has 3,000. I guarantee you DCC paid just as much in property taxes toward Woodward as WJ did.
how do you reconcile whining about huge FARMs loads in the schools and then bragging on how affluent the DCC is? I'm sure there are a few everyday millionaires in the DCC but not many and even less with kids school age. Out of those 10,000 there maybe 200-300 who live in million dollars houses ( most likely with 1mil mortgages so not real wealth) compared to most of WJs 3000. see the difference.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Option B is the Best. Res Ipsa Loquitur. B = Best
The best for whom? Not for taxpayers.
Sure it is. Those in the Option B zone for WJ certainly pay more taxes and dealt with over crowded WJ for decades+. Time to alleviate it. And more development coming under master plan. DCC pay less and get more
A million dollar house in WJ pays the same taxes as one in the DCC. A 2 million dollar house in the DCC pays more than a million dollar house in WJ. Yet WJ has more.
yah the point here is there are way more million dollar houses zoned for WJ than the whole DCC combined x2. 2million in the DCC?!? It might have happened on some unicorn of a property but that’s not a thing unless you’re talking cheap apt buildings, then yes there are lots of those. Look it this way all the families on or previously on FARMs (which is most of them most) likely don’t pay any property tax
Clearly you don’t know the dcc.
are you actually suggesting that the dcc has higher property values on average than the WJ catchment?
DP
DCC has 10,000 HS students. WJ has 3,000. I guarantee you DCC paid just as much in property taxes toward Woodward as WJ did.
do you understand the concept of 'average'?
From the PP above:Those in the Option B zone for WJ certainly pay more taxes
Do you understand that we are discussing which school cluster paid more in taxes? You don't get to take tax dollars from middle class people (yes, renters pay property taxes through their rent, there are mountains of research on this) to keep for your greedy self simply because you have a more expensive house.
Wait. Isn't that what you are trying to do? Robin Hood it up for your sanctuary city blight in Wheaton?
Why was WJ so over crowded? Bc we were desirable area. More businesses, homeowners, development is coming to WJ area. Nobody clamoring to move east or Connecticut or up to VM
Einstein, Blair and Wheaton are all significantly overcrowded right now. Plenty of competition for houses in our neighborhood. The fact that people like you aren't clamoring to live here is one of the plusses.
Per the boundary stats, Wheaton is just under capacity. Fortunately all options reduce overcapacity at Einstein and Blair.
That's because they added an imaginary 500 spots to Wheaton's capacity for some unknown reason.
has anyone asked about that in any of the sessions? Someone on one of these threads said it was maybe something about Edison....? Like somehow Edison is reported separately, or there are kids that do half days at Edison?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m curious the kids who don’t have enough math to graduate… how did they wind up being so advanced? What were your elementary/middle schools? My kids are zoned for Einstein and have done highest level offered at Elementary and Middle School (Sligo) so come in two years ahead. Einstein has AP Calc AB and BC and AP Stats as well as IB math. How many MCPS kids really need more? What percentage even take MVC?
Ib math is good but not equal to ap. Some of the feeder schools allow algebra in 6th. So, it goes, algebra, geometry, algebra2, precal, calc bc, multivariable calc, then linear algebra or stats is or something else. Einstein slows down kids pushing ab, then bc but a few just do bc. More would do mvc if offered. Right now parents have to drive to Wheaton or students go to MC with driving themselves or parents. We have some classes with ten or less students so it doesn’t make sense not to offer it.
This math progression seems insanely accelerated. I went to a W school and graduated in the early 2000s. I did algebra in 8th grade and geometry in 9th. That track was the accelerated track at the time. If you did algebra in 9th grade you were on level. If you did algebra in 7th grade you were super gifted. I’d estimate that there were maybe 10-20 kids in the last category per grade in high school. In 9th grade taking geometry I was probably one of about 60-70% with ~30-40% in algebra in 9th grade.
Those who did geometry in 9th typically did AP calculus in 12th grade and lots like myself did AP statistics as a second math class. Those who did geometry in 8th grade (those 10-20 kids) were in my BC Calculus class as 11th graders and took MVC as 12th graders.
When did algebra in 6th become the norm?
This is the Einstein MVC poster. I am not sure what to make of the rest of posts about Einstein due to them.
Normal algebra is 7-8th grade. We are talking about advanced kids and most do it in 7th except some of the feeder schools that are lottery-based in allow it in 6th as an incentive to go to that school and boost test scores. It's not the norm but it's an option now. Again it goes to all schools not offering the same things and no consistency between the schools.
Ok so basically a year ahead of what it used to be 20 years ago when it was most commonly 8-9
No, but why are you obsessing over what happened 20 years ago. Do you even have kids in MCPS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People who claim people anywhere in MCPS are going to flee public schools are obviously bluffing. With thousands out of work and the local economy tanking in slow motion, enrollment is going to up, not down, and that's everywhere. Too bad CO is incapable of calling even the most obvious bluffs.
Why would enrollment go up? People would move away due to housing costs.
It costs a lot to sell a house. Most people have low interest rates and do not benefit from moving. It is much easier to move from private to public. Also if one spouse still has a job it doesn't make sense to move.
I highly doubt this will be very common. Sounds like a bunch of people living over their means.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People who claim people anywhere in MCPS are going to flee public schools are obviously bluffing. With thousands out of work and the local economy tanking in slow motion, enrollment is going to up, not down, and that's everywhere. Too bad CO is incapable of calling even the most obvious bluffs.
Why would enrollment go up? People would move away due to housing costs.
It costs a lot to sell a house. Most people have low interest rates and do not benefit from moving. It is much easier to move from private to public. Also if one spouse still has a job it doesn't make sense to move.
I highly doubt this will be very common. Sounds like a bunch of people living over their means.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Option B is the Best. Res Ipsa Loquitur. B = Best
The best for whom? Not for taxpayers.
Sure it is. Those in the Option B zone for WJ certainly pay more taxes and dealt with over crowded WJ for decades+. Time to alleviate it. And more development coming under master plan. DCC pay less and get more
A million dollar house in WJ pays the same taxes as one in the DCC. A 2 million dollar house in the DCC pays more than a million dollar house in WJ. Yet WJ has more.
yah the point here is there are way more million dollar houses zoned for WJ than the whole DCC combined x2. 2million in the DCC?!? It might have happened on some unicorn of a property but that’s not a thing unless you’re talking cheap apt buildings, then yes there are lots of those. Look it this way all the families on or previously on FARMs (which is most of them most) likely don’t pay any property tax
Clearly you don’t know the dcc.
are you actually suggesting that the dcc has higher property values on average than the WJ catchment?
DP
DCC has 10,000 HS students. WJ has 3,000. I guarantee you DCC paid just as much in property taxes toward Woodward as WJ did.
how do you reconcile whining about huge FARMs loads in the schools and then bragging on how affluent the DCC is? I'm sure there are a few everyday millionaires in the DCC but not many and even less with kids school age. Out of those 10,000 there maybe 200-300 who live in million dollars houses ( most likely with 1mil mortgages so not real wealth) compared to most of WJs 3000. see the difference.
Do you know how to do math? Let's say the average home value in the DCC is $600k (lol good luck with that). And the average in WJ is $1.5 million. County still gets more tax revenue from DCC due to the sheer numbers.
That's not the average, that's starting. The difference is that the lots are also smaller so its all proportional. Either way, most of us probably pay equal to you and earn equal to you but just make different life choices.
Those are the average sale prices in 20817 and 20902
Those aren't the only zip codes.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m curious the kids who don’t have enough math to graduate… how did they wind up being so advanced? What were your elementary/middle schools? My kids are zoned for Einstein and have done highest level offered at Elementary and Middle School (Sligo) so come in two years ahead. Einstein has AP Calc AB and BC and AP Stats as well as IB math. How many MCPS kids really need more? What percentage even take MVC?
Ib math is good but not equal to ap. Some of the feeder schools allow algebra in 6th. So, it goes, algebra, geometry, algebra2, precal, calc bc, multivariable calc, then linear algebra or stats is or something else. Einstein slows down kids pushing ab, then bc but a few just do bc. More would do mvc if offered. Right now parents have to drive to Wheaton or students go to MC with driving themselves or parents. We have some classes with ten or less students so it doesn’t make sense not to offer it.
This math progression seems insanely accelerated. I went to a W school and graduated in the early 2000s. I did algebra in 8th grade and geometry in 9th. That track was the accelerated track at the time. If you did algebra in 9th grade you were on level. If you did algebra in 7th grade you were super gifted. I’d estimate that there were maybe 10-20 kids in the last category per grade in high school. In 9th grade taking geometry I was probably one of about 60-70% with ~30-40% in algebra in 9th grade.
Those who did geometry in 9th typically did AP calculus in 12th grade and lots like myself did AP statistics as a second math class. Those who did geometry in 8th grade (those 10-20 kids) were in my BC Calculus class as 11th graders and took MVC as 12th graders.
When did algebra in 6th become the norm?
This is the Einstein MVC poster. I am not sure what to make of the rest of posts about Einstein due to them.
Normal algebra is 7-8th grade. We are talking about advanced kids and most do it in 7th except some of the feeder schools that are lottery-based in allow it in 6th as an incentive to go to that school and boost test scores. It's not the norm but it's an option now. Again it goes to all schools not offering the same things and no consistency between the schools.
Ok so basically a year ahead of what it used to be 20 years ago when it was most commonly 8-9
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Option B is the Best. Res Ipsa Loquitur. B = Best
The best for whom? Not for taxpayers.
Sure it is. Those in the Option B zone for WJ certainly pay more taxes and dealt with over crowded WJ for decades+. Time to alleviate it. And more development coming under master plan. DCC pay less and get more
A million dollar house in WJ pays the same taxes as one in the DCC. A 2 million dollar house in the DCC pays more than a million dollar house in WJ. Yet WJ has more.
yah the point here is there are way more million dollar houses zoned for WJ than the whole DCC combined x2. 2million in the DCC?!? It might have happened on some unicorn of a property but that’s not a thing unless you’re talking cheap apt buildings, then yes there are lots of those. Look it this way all the families on or previously on FARMs (which is most of them most) likely don’t pay any property tax
Clearly you don’t know the dcc.
are you actually suggesting that the dcc has higher property values on average than the WJ catchment?
DP
DCC has 10,000 HS students. WJ has 3,000. I guarantee you DCC paid just as much in property taxes toward Woodward as WJ did.
how do you reconcile whining about huge FARMs loads in the schools and then bragging on how affluent the DCC is? I'm sure there are a few everyday millionaires in the DCC but not many and even less with kids school age. Out of those 10,000 there maybe 200-300 who live in million dollars houses ( most likely with 1mil mortgages so not real wealth) compared to most of WJs 3000. see the difference.
Do you know how to do math? Let's say the average home value in the DCC is $600k (lol good luck with that). And the average in WJ is $1.5 million. County still gets more tax revenue from DCC due to the sheer numbers.
That's not the average, that's starting. The difference is that the lots are also smaller so its all proportional. Either way, most of us probably pay equal to you and earn equal to you but just make different life choices.
Those are the average sale prices in 20817 and 20902
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People who claim people anywhere in MCPS are going to flee public schools are obviously bluffing. With thousands out of work and the local economy tanking in slow motion, enrollment is going to up, not down, and that's everywhere. Too bad CO is incapable of calling even the most obvious bluffs.
Why would enrollment go up? People would move away due to housing costs.
It costs a lot to sell a house. Most people have low interest rates and do not benefit from moving. It is much easier to move from private to public. Also if one spouse still has a job it doesn't make sense to move.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Option B is the Best. Res Ipsa Loquitur. B = Best
The best for whom? Not for taxpayers.
Sure it is. Those in the Option B zone for WJ certainly pay more taxes and dealt with over crowded WJ for decades+. Time to alleviate it. And more development coming under master plan. DCC pay less and get more
A million dollar house in WJ pays the same taxes as one in the DCC. A 2 million dollar house in the DCC pays more than a million dollar house in WJ. Yet WJ has more.
yah the point here is there are way more million dollar houses zoned for WJ than the whole DCC combined x2. 2million in the DCC?!? It might have happened on some unicorn of a property but that’s not a thing unless you’re talking cheap apt buildings, then yes there are lots of those. Look it this way all the families on or previously on FARMs (which is most of them most) likely don’t pay any property tax
Clearly you don’t know the dcc.
are you actually suggesting that the dcc has higher property values on average than the WJ catchment?
DP
DCC has 10,000 HS students. WJ has 3,000. I guarantee you DCC paid just as much in property taxes toward Woodward as WJ did.
do you understand the concept of 'average'?
From the PP above:Those in the Option B zone for WJ certainly pay more taxes
Do you understand that we are discussing which school cluster paid more in taxes? You don't get to take tax dollars from middle class people (yes, renters pay property taxes through their rent, there are mountains of research on this) to keep for your greedy self simply because you have a more expensive house.
Wait. Isn't that what you are trying to do? Robin Hood it up for your sanctuary city blight in Wheaton?
Why was WJ so over crowded? Bc we were desirable area. More businesses, homeowners, development is coming to WJ area. Nobody clamoring to move east or Connecticut or up to VM
Einstein, Blair and Wheaton are all significantly overcrowded right now. Plenty of competition for houses in our neighborhood. The fact that people like you aren't clamoring to live here is one of the plusses.
Per the boundary stats, Wheaton is just under capacity. Fortunately all options reduce overcapacity at Einstein and Blair.
That's because they added an imaginary 500 spots to Wheaton's capacity for some unknown reason.
Is Wheaton's capacity ~2700 or is it actually 2200? What does "**Wheaton HS includes the capacity at Edison HS" mean?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Option B is the Best. Res Ipsa Loquitur. B = Best
The best for whom? Not for taxpayers.
Sure it is. Those in the Option B zone for WJ certainly pay more taxes and dealt with over crowded WJ for decades+. Time to alleviate it. And more development coming under master plan. DCC pay less and get more
A million dollar house in WJ pays the same taxes as one in the DCC. A 2 million dollar house in the DCC pays more than a million dollar house in WJ. Yet WJ has more.
yah the point here is there are way more million dollar houses zoned for WJ than the whole DCC combined x2. 2million in the DCC?!? It might have happened on some unicorn of a property but that’s not a thing unless you’re talking cheap apt buildings, then yes there are lots of those. Look it this way all the families on or previously on FARMs (which is most of them most) likely don’t pay any property tax
Clearly you don’t know the dcc.
are you actually suggesting that the dcc has higher property values on average than the WJ catchment?
DP
DCC has 10,000 HS students. WJ has 3,000. I guarantee you DCC paid just as much in property taxes toward Woodward as WJ did.
do you understand the concept of 'average'?
From the PP above:Those in the Option B zone for WJ certainly pay more taxes
Do you understand that we are discussing which school cluster paid more in taxes? You don't get to take tax dollars from middle class people (yes, renters pay property taxes through their rent, there are mountains of research on this) to keep for your greedy self simply because you have a more expensive house.
Wait. Isn't that what you are trying to do? Robin Hood it up for your sanctuary city blight in Wheaton?
Why was WJ so over crowded? Bc we were desirable area. More businesses, homeowners, development is coming to WJ area. Nobody clamoring to move east or Connecticut or up to VM
Einstein, Blair and Wheaton are all significantly overcrowded right now. Plenty of competition for houses in our neighborhood. The fact that people like you aren't clamoring to live here is one of the plusses.
Per the boundary stats, Wheaton is just under capacity. Fortunately all options reduce overcapacity at Einstein and Blair.
That's because they added an imaginary 500 spots to Wheaton's capacity for some unknown reason.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Option B is the Best. Res Ipsa Loquitur. B = Best
The best for whom? Not for taxpayers.
Sure it is. Those in the Option B zone for WJ certainly pay more taxes and dealt with over crowded WJ for decades+. Time to alleviate it. And more development coming under master plan. DCC pay less and get more
A million dollar house in WJ pays the same taxes as one in the DCC. A 2 million dollar house in the DCC pays more than a million dollar house in WJ. Yet WJ has more.
yah the point here is there are way more million dollar houses zoned for WJ than the whole DCC combined x2. 2million in the DCC?!? It might have happened on some unicorn of a property but that’s not a thing unless you’re talking cheap apt buildings, then yes there are lots of those. Look it this way all the families on or previously on FARMs (which is most of them most) likely don’t pay any property tax
Clearly you don’t know the dcc.
are you actually suggesting that the dcc has higher property values on average than the WJ catchment?
DP
DCC has 10,000 HS students. WJ has 3,000. I guarantee you DCC paid just as much in property taxes toward Woodward as WJ did.
do you understand the concept of 'average'?
From the PP above:Those in the Option B zone for WJ certainly pay more taxes
Do you understand that we are discussing which school cluster paid more in taxes? You don't get to take tax dollars from middle class people (yes, renters pay property taxes through their rent, there are mountains of research on this) to keep for your greedy self simply because you have a more expensive house.
Wait. Isn't that what you are trying to do? Robin Hood it up for your sanctuary city blight in Wheaton?
Why was WJ so over crowded? Bc we were desirable area. More businesses, homeowners, development is coming to WJ area. Nobody clamoring to move east or Connecticut or up to VM
Einstein, Blair and Wheaton are all significantly overcrowded right now. Plenty of competition for houses in our neighborhood. The fact that people like you aren't clamoring to live here is one of the plusses.
Per the boundary stats, Wheaton is just under capacity. Fortunately all options reduce overcapacity at Einstein and Blair.
That's because they added an imaginary 500 spots to Wheaton's capacity for some unknown reason.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Option B is the Best. Res Ipsa Loquitur. B = Best
The best for whom? Not for taxpayers.
Sure it is. Those in the Option B zone for WJ certainly pay more taxes and dealt with over crowded WJ for decades+. Time to alleviate it. And more development coming under master plan. DCC pay less and get more
A million dollar house in WJ pays the same taxes as one in the DCC. A 2 million dollar house in the DCC pays more than a million dollar house in WJ. Yet WJ has more.
yah the point here is there are way more million dollar houses zoned for WJ than the whole DCC combined x2. 2million in the DCC?!? It might have happened on some unicorn of a property but that’s not a thing unless you’re talking cheap apt buildings, then yes there are lots of those. Look it this way all the families on or previously on FARMs (which is most of them most) likely don’t pay any property tax
Clearly you don’t know the dcc.
are you actually suggesting that the dcc has higher property values on average than the WJ catchment?
DP
DCC has 10,000 HS students. WJ has 3,000. I guarantee you DCC paid just as much in property taxes toward Woodward as WJ did.
do you understand the concept of 'average'?
From the PP above:Those in the Option B zone for WJ certainly pay more taxes
Do you understand that we are discussing which school cluster paid more in taxes? You don't get to take tax dollars from middle class people (yes, renters pay property taxes through their rent, there are mountains of research on this) to keep for your greedy self simply because you have a more expensive house.
Wait. Isn't that what you are trying to do? Robin Hood it up for your sanctuary city blight in Wheaton?
Why was WJ so over crowded? Bc we were desirable area. More businesses, homeowners, development is coming to WJ area. Nobody clamoring to move east or Connecticut or up to VM
Einstein, Blair and Wheaton are all significantly overcrowded right now. Plenty of competition for houses in our neighborhood. The fact that people like you aren't clamoring to live here is one of the plusses.
Per the boundary stats, Wheaton is just under capacity. Fortunately all options reduce overcapacity at Einstein and Blair.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:People who claim people anywhere in MCPS are going to flee public schools are obviously bluffing. With thousands out of work and the local economy tanking in slow motion, enrollment is going to up, not down, and that's everywhere. Too bad CO is incapable of calling even the most obvious bluffs.
Why would enrollment go up? People would move away due to housing costs.