Now it starts already. Vought was ready.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump wanted a shutdown because it takes Epstein off the front page!

Epstein Shutdown.

Exactly!!

Anonymous wrote:Priorities

They are sending ICE to the Super Bowl for some reason. You know, just another idea from the big thinkers.

Priorities

It’s a good thing most Americans aren’t as stupid as the average Trump voter. Republicans are going to have to own this disaster. Even when it comes to Republicans, they don’t actually want a free market when it comes to their previous little girls born with deadly genetic diseases because a free market means death.

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Anonymous wrote:We need actual healthcare reform. In order to do that, we need actual lobbying reform.

Big Pharma and Healthcare Execs simply can't keep raking in the compensation they are on the backs of the American people. It should not be a for-profit industry.

It's a very complicated issue because Healthcare is a number one employer in our country. Lots and lots of jobs of American citizens depend on Healthcare spending and government sponsored healthcare (Medicare/Medicaid) is a huge chunk of it. All this added overhead and middlemen and complicated paper and IT systems and bureaucracy are jobs... Not to mention a lot of hospitals, care facilities, nursing homes, physical therapy places, etc survive mostly off Medicare. It's a problem so long in the making that it has become a self-perpetuating circle of hell. WE are all paying for employing our fellow citizens, we are all paying for each other to have jobs and get paid. Lower hanging fruit to starting to fix it is to address fraud and reducing the profits of middlemen, especially if they aren't giving back in the form of good wages for the American employees.

Many on the far-rgiht believe the CEOs of healthcare and big pharma deserve 10,000X the average worker. It's free markets and all.

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Anonymous wrote:Is the government shut down? I got mail. It seems like a big nothingburger.

Got my SS check, Medicare and the planes are flying. The government does nothing. Shut it down and fire everyone!

So you are happy for what you got from the government but f*ck everyone else.

No food or healthcare for kids. No research. No parks. No weather forecasting.

Just like a republican.

DP. What have I gotten from government? Damn near nothing. I pay plenty.

No weather forecasting? srsly? You believe that crap? Yes, if everyone doesn't send a check to DC, there will be no weather forecasting.

Please.

National defense, funding for highways, breathable air and potable water, Auto safety regulations, medical research (that has produced treatments which saved members of your family), civil rights, antiterrorism professionals, safe air travel, safe workplaces, safe drugs, safe food, museums, national parks, I could go on for days you ignoramus.

Yes, if we don't pay massive tribute to Washington, all that goes away.

Amazing to read that on a DC centric website.

Taxes are at unprecedented lows, but yes. If we don't pay for it, it all goes away. Do you think things happen by magic? The government employs the people that make all those things happen. Please, for the sake of the country and everyone you know and love, take a civics class.

"We" don't pay for anything. We have half the country paying zero income taxes and constantly taking. You're welcome.

What a jerk. You are completely misrepresenting this.

Even those who don't pay
federal taxes because the are the ELDERLY, CHILDREN or make less than 25 grand a year pay SS, Medicare, gas, Alcohol and state and local taxes.

So climb down off your cross, persecuted one.

Or the disabled... the PP doesn't seem to realize he or she is just one drunk driver or accident away from being in that category too. And that their beloved GOP is about to yank the rug out from under people who can't fend for themselves.

Calling people like the PP a "sociopath" isn't namecalling, it's an accurate description given the complete callous lack of care.

Anonymous wrote:Republicans are pathetic dirtbag liars for trying to claim this is about $1.5 trillion for illegals.

This is what the shutdown is over:

Republicans want to kill specific ACA and Medicaid provisions.

This will hurt millions of Americans. American CITIZENS, not "illegals."

People who get their insurance through ACA marketplaces will likely see their premiums double and even triple. Many ACA marketplace enrollees will not be able to afford their coverage anymore and will end up going without healthcare.

7.5 million American citizens will likely lose their Medicaid coverage over the next few years.

Coverage gaps will widen. It will disproportionately impact red states, particularly ones that didn't expand Medicaid.

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Anonymous wrote:Is the government shut down? I got mail. It seems like a big nothingburger.

Got my SS check, Medicare and the planes are flying. The government does nothing. Shut it down and fire everyone!

So you are happy for what you got from the government but f*ck everyone else.

No food or healthcare for kids. No research. No parks. No weather forecasting.

Just like a republican.

DP. What have I gotten from government? Damn near nothing. I pay plenty.

No weather forecasting? srsly? You believe that crap? Yes, if everyone doesn't send a check to DC, there will be no weather forecasting.

Please.

National defense, funding for highways, breathable air and potable water, Auto safety regulations, medical research (that has produced treatments which saved members of your family), civil rights, antiterrorism professionals, safe air travel, safe workplaces, safe drugs, safe food, museums, national parks, I could go on for days you ignoramus.

Yes, if we don't pay massive tribute to Washington, all that goes away.

Amazing to read that on a DC centric website.

Taxes are at unprecedented lows, but yes. If we don't pay for it, it all goes away. Do you think things happen by magic? The government employs the people that make all those things happen. Please, for the sake of the country and everyone you know and love, take a civics class.

"We" don't pay for anything. We have half the country paying zero income taxes and constantly taking. You're welcome.

What a jerk. You are completely misrepresenting this.

Even those who don't pay
federal taxes because the are the ELDERLY, CHILDREN or make less than 25 grand a year pay SS, Medicare, gas, Alcohol and state and local taxes.

So climb down off your cross, persecuted one.

I saw some deleted post where some bozo was falsely trying to claim expanding H-1B and OPT is all on the Democrats, when it's historically been heavily backed by Republicans, Chamber of Commerce, Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy and others. Meanwhile the Republicans also did a lot of other things encouraging offshoring of American jobs. Claiming it was entirely Democrats is just false and disgenuous.

This is probably the same clown who repeately keeps pushing FALSE nonsense claiming that the Democrats "shut the government down because they want to spend $1.5 trillion on free shit for illegals" which is also brazenly false.

Republicans keep lying because they don't want people to know that their plan will hurt millions of Americans. It's classic "flood the zone" bullshit along with trying to pave the path for their future lies.

So when millions of Americans feel the pain later, they will want to go back to their lies today and say "yah well you're suffering now but if the Democrats had their way you'd be suffering even worse because they would have taken your healthcare and given it to illegals" or some other abjectly false garbage.

Republicans are pathetic dirtbag liars for trying to claim this is about $1.5 trillion for illegals.

Republicans are posting from positions of extreme ignorance yet again. Seems its time to post this again:

A Day In The Life of Joe Republican

Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised. All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employer’s medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, so now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry. Joe takes his morning shower, reaching for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check, because some liberal didn’t think he should loose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It’s noon time. Joe needs to make a bank deposit, so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FDIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Depression. Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.

Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to Dad’s; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards.

He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by the Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans.

The house didn’t have electricity until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republicans would still be sitting in the dark). He is happy to see his Dad, who is now retired.

His Dad lives on Social Security and his union pension, because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to.

After his visit with Dad, he gets back in his car for the ride home. He turns on a radio talk show. The host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn’t tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day). Joe agrees, “We don’t need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I’m a selfmade man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have”. By John Gray – Cincinnati, Ohio Published July, 2004

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Anonymous wrote:Is the government shut down? I got mail. It seems like a big nothingburger.

Got my SS check, Medicare and the planes are flying. The government does nothing. Shut it down and fire everyone!

So you are happy for what you got from the government but f*ck everyone else.

No food or healthcare for kids. No research. No parks. No weather forecasting.

Just like a republican.

DP. I'm tired of money getting taken out of my pay check for health insurance subsidies for complete strangers.

The HC industry is holding this country hostage. We spend 17% of GDP on HC. The next closest countries, Germany and the UK spend 10% to 11%.

Most other countries spend 6% to 7%. Why are we an outlier? There's practically no competition here. Just govt writing checks to pharma, hospitals and medical establishments. And people paying hefty friggin' premiums.

And democrats are right at the front of the line saying we need to spend more and more. Enough already.

I think we all agree that our healthcare system is a disaster. In the short term, we're all going to be paying more out of pocket if those subsidies are canceled.

Since I actually WORK for a living, I'm going to be paying more in taxes from my pay check than health care costs.

That tends to happen when half the country is living off of complete strangers. I'm f'n sick of it.

You are likely living off smth government sponsored too. Don't delude yourself. Top employers in the USA are HEALTHCARE AND EDUCATION. Think about it for a minute. How does this happen that in 38 states (including high GDP states like NY, CA) Healthcare is a number 1 employer? Why do you think this is? It's because healthcare is a beneficiary of government spending. Some facilities or hospitals only exist and employ people because we have Medicare/Medicaid. Same with education that's beneficiary of student loans and foreign students. Private industry has been outsourcing (in-shore and offshore) for decades now, with government subsidizing wages for American workers. If you are a small business owner your customers only survive and patronize you because their jobs are subsidized. It's a house of cards.

Let that house of cards fall. It needs to fall. We're being systematically screwed by it.

We need to start unscrewing it, not simply let it fall, because you won't survive this.

Universal Medicare system (at least for catastrophic coverage) for all would be great as working age people consume a lot less in terms of healthcare resources than elderly but pay disproportionately higher costs to just have catastrophic coverage plans (most of these high deductible plans are pretty much out of pocket care for reasonably healthy people). This would also decouple health insurance from the requirement for full time salaried employment, which isn't any longer ideal for the economic growth, solving unemployment issues, increasing tax base and workforce participation by those unable to work full time and/or afraid to lose their benefits and living off subsidies.

But the first step is to focus on reducing fraud and making sure profits of the middlemen don't take the front seat in this system, which is an essential basic every human needs and people are forced to pay for or risk much more severe repercussions. We are all held hostage to this

Anonymous wrote:We need actual healthcare reform. In order to do that, we need actual lobbying reform.

Big Pharma and Healthcare Execs simply can't keep raking in the compensation they are on the backs of the American people. It should not be a for-profit industry.

It's a very complicated issue because Healthcare is a number one employer in our country. Lots and lots of jobs of American citizens depend on Healthcare spending and government sponsored healthcare (Medicare/Medicaid) is a huge chunk of it. All this added overhead and middlemen and complicated paper and IT systems and bureaucracy are jobs... Not to mention a lot of hospitals, care facilities, nursing homes, physical therapy places, etc survive mostly off Medicare. It's a problem so long in the making that it has become a self-perpetuating circle of hell. WE are all paying for employing our fellow citizens, we are all paying for each other to have jobs and get paid. Lower hanging fruit to starting to fix it is to address fraud and reducing the profits of middlemen, especially if they aren't giving back in the form of good wages for the American employees.

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Anonymous wrote:Is the government shut down? I got mail. It seems like a big nothingburger.

Got my SS check, Medicare and the planes are flying. The government does nothing. Shut it down and fire everyone!

So you are happy for what you got from the government but f*ck everyone else.

No food or healthcare for kids. No research. No parks. No weather forecasting.

Just like a republican.

DP. I'm tired of money getting taken out of my pay check for health insurance subsidies for complete strangers.

The HC industry is holding this country hostage. We spend 17% of GDP on HC. The next closest countries, Germany and the UK spend 10% to 11%.

Most other countries spend 6% to 7%. Why are we an outlier? There's practically no competition here. Just govt writing checks to pharma, hospitals and medical establishments. And people paying hefty friggin' premiums.

And democrats are right at the front of the line saying we need to spend more and more. Enough already.

I think we all agree that our healthcare system is a disaster. In the short term, we're all going to be paying more out of pocket if those subsidies are canceled.

Since I actually WORK for a living, I'm going to be paying more in taxes from my pay check than health care costs.

That tends to happen when half the country is living off of complete strangers. I'm f'n sick of it.

You are likely living off smth government sponsored too. Don't delude yourself. Top employers in the USA are HEALTHCARE AND EDUCATION. Think about it for a minute. How does this happen that in 38 states (including high GDP states like NY, CA) Healthcare is a number 1 employer? Why do you think this is? It's because healthcare is a beneficiary of government spending. Some facilities or hospitals only exist and employ people because we have Medicare/Medicaid. Same with education that's beneficiary of student loans and foreign students. Private industry has been outsourcing (in-shore and offshore) for decades now, with government subsidizing wages for American workers. If you are a small business owner your customers only survive and patronize you because their jobs are subsidized. It's a house of cards.

Let that house of cards fall. It needs to fall. We're being systematically screwed by it.