Anonymous
08/18/2025 12:16
Subject: Re:Where is the outrage about the Israeli starvation of Gaza?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think that is the answer- aipac IS a lobbying arm of a foreign government and no us citizens who have dual nationality should work in government. I say this as a dual national.
I’ve seen this statement a lot on this page and it makes me wonder, when people say this are they talking about those who hold citizenship from both Israel and the United States or are they talking about American citizens who are Jewish? Because those two things are not the same but more and more I’m beginning to feel that people don’t understand that very real difference.
Jewish is not a nationality. It seems like you're the only one who doesn't understand the difference? No one who works in any level of the US government should have dual citizenship anywhere. Israel, Saudi Arabia, UK, Sealand, wherever. I don't care about anyone's personal religion.
I'm the PP who asked this question and I do understand the difference. I also know that lately this question of "dual loyalty/dual nationality" only seems to get applied around issues related to zionism or Israel, and often it feels like there's an underlying suggestion that Jews, regardless of their citizenship, can't be trusted to have America's best interest at heart.
For what it's worth, I'm a 4th generation American Jew with family in Israel but I'm not a dual citizen. I'm also someone who believes in the vision of Israel but detests the current government and has actively participated in the growing protest movement whenever I'm in Israel (most of my Israeli family members and friends were a part of yesterday's strike and protests). This idea that all Israelis are just one thing, that their very presence there makes them complicit in what's going on in Gaza, baffles me. Are all Americans wholly represented by the Trump administration and it's decisions?
+1 non Jewish DP here. I would happily join US-based protests of Israel if they didn't include some pretty blatant hatred of Jews and people who are unable to distinguish between Jewish people and the Israeli government
Anonymous
08/18/2025 12:08
Subject: Where is the outrage about the Israeli starvation of Gaza?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are American Jews here still supporting AIPAC?
What are you going to do about it?
DP
???
If American Jews continue to support AIPAC, what do you deem to be the consequences? That is the question.
DP.
I'd say register AIPAC as a foreign agent (which it is).
No one with ANY dual citizenship of ANY country can serve in ANY level of government
Where do I start?! The list is so long! No nation wants people working for them with dual nationality and dual loyalty.
That's insane.
Many local governments would be crippled by this you ungrateful pos
Which local governments would be crippled by this? What other countries allow their government workers, especially those with security clearances, allow dual loyalties?
Please name any developed countries which do not allow people with dual citizen to work in local government?
Anonymous
08/18/2025 12:06
Subject: Re:Where is the outrage about the Israeli starvation of Gaza?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think that is the answer- aipac IS a lobbying arm of a foreign government and no us citizens who have dual nationality should work in government. I say this as a dual national.
I’ve seen this statement a lot on this page and it makes me wonder, when people say this are they talking about those who hold citizenship from both Israel and the United States or are they talking about American citizens who are Jewish? Because those two things are not the same but more and more I’m beginning to feel that people don’t understand that very real difference.
Jewish is not a nationality. It seems like you're the only one who doesn't understand the difference? No one who works in any level of the US government should have dual citizenship anywhere. Israel, Saudi Arabia, UK, Sealand, wherever. I don't care about anyone's personal religion.
I'm the PP who asked this question and I do understand the difference. I also know that lately this question of "dual loyalty/dual nationality" only seems to get applied around issues related to zionism or Israel, and often it feels like there's an underlying suggestion that Jews, regardless of their citizenship, can't be trusted to have America's best interest at heart.
For what it's worth, I'm a 4th generation American Jew with family in Israel but I'm not a dual citizen. I'm also someone who believes in the vision of Israel but detests the current government and has actively participated in the growing protest movement whenever I'm in Israel (most of my Israeli family members and friends were a part of yesterday's strike and protests). This idea that all Israelis are just one thing, that their very presence there makes them complicit in what's going on in Gaza, baffles me. Are all Americans wholly represented by the Trump administration and it's decisions?
Anonymous
08/18/2025 11:37
Subject: Where is the outrage about the Israeli starvation of Gaza?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are American Jews here still supporting AIPAC?
What are you going to do about it?
DP
???
If American Jews continue to support AIPAC, what do you deem to be the consequences? That is the question.
DP.
I'd say register AIPAC as a foreign agent (which it is).
No one with ANY dual citizenship of ANY country can serve in ANY level of government
That's insane.
Many local governments would be crippled by this you ungrateful pos
I'm the daughter of immigrants. I love immigrants, and I'm jealous of people with dual citizenship (I'm not eligible due to naturalization dates). But I think it's insane to think any person with a citizenship elewhere should work in the US government. And yes, probably not more local gov't too. It's a pretty obvious conflict of interest.
Sounds like you have some serious internalized xenophobia if you think immigrants (I can't imagine you'd be okay with documented non citizens with work authorization working as :gasp: teachers either) shouldn't work in local government. Yes, DMV jurisdictions would face major issues with such a rule. There are already teacher and bus driver shortages.
Anonymous
08/18/2025 11:29
Subject: Where is the outrage about the Israeli starvation of Gaza?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are American Jews here still supporting AIPAC?
What are you going to do about it?
DP
???
If American Jews continue to support AIPAC, what do you deem to be the consequences? That is the question.
DP.
I'd say register AIPAC as a foreign agent (which it is).
No one with ANY dual citizenship of ANY country can serve in ANY level of government
That's insane.
Many local governments would be crippled by this you ungrateful pos
Which local governments would be crippled by this? What other countries allow their government workers, especially those with security clearances, allow dual loyalties?
Please name any developed countries which do not allow people with dual citizen to work in local government?
Anonymous
08/18/2025 11:07
Subject: Where is the outrage about the Israeli starvation of Gaza?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are American Jews here still supporting AIPAC?
What are you going to do about it?
DP
???
If American Jews continue to support AIPAC, what do you deem to be the consequences? That is the question.
DP.
I'd say register AIPAC as a foreign agent (which it is).
No one with ANY dual citizenship of ANY country can serve in ANY level of government
That's insane.
Many local governments would be crippled by this you ungrateful pos
I'm the daughter of immigrants. I love immigrants, and I'm jealous of people with dual citizenship (I'm not eligible due to naturalization dates). But I think it's insane to think any person with a citizenship elewhere should work in the US government. And yes, probably not more local gov't too. It's a pretty obvious conflict of interest.
Anonymous
08/18/2025 11:05
Subject: Re:Where is the outrage about the Israeli starvation of Gaza?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think that is the answer- aipac IS a lobbying arm of a foreign government and no us citizens who have dual nationality should work in government. I say this as a dual national.
I’ve seen this statement a lot on this page and it makes me wonder, when people say this are they talking about those who hold citizenship from both Israel and the United States or are they talking about American citizens who are Jewish? Because those two things are not the same but more and more I’m beginning to feel that people don’t understand that very real difference.
Jewish is not a nationality. It seems like you're the only one who doesn't understand the difference? No one who works in any level of the US government should have dual citizenship anywhere. Israel, Saudi Arabia, UK, Sealand, wherever. I don't care about anyone's personal religion.
Anonymous
08/18/2025 10:34
Subject: Re:Where is the outrage about the Israeli starvation of Gaza?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think that is the answer- aipac IS a lobbying arm of a foreign government and no us citizens who have dual nationality should work in government. I say this as a dual national.
I’ve seen this statement a lot on this page and it makes me wonder, when people say this are they talking about those who hold citizenship from both Israel and the United States or are they talking about American citizens who are Jewish? Because those two things are not the same but more and more I’m beginning to feel that people don’t understand that very real difference.
Why would you assume only Israel. People with government security clearances with access to US secrets and governance should not have dual citizenship/loyalties to any country. There are federal government workers with dual citizenship with Ireland, Nigeria, Israel, Italy, India, China, Surinam, etc. This should not be the norm.
There are already many jobs where having dual citizenship is prohibitive for getting the requisite security clearance. The vast majority of federal government workers don't even need a security clearance and yet you seem okay with making broad, xenophobic statements about who should be working in "government" (which YES, includes state and local governments, forgetting that the people who make sure your trash gets picked up and properly disposed of is DISGUSTING)
Anonymous
08/18/2025 09:28
Subject: Re:Where is the outrage about the Israeli starvation of Gaza?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think that is the answer- aipac IS a lobbying arm of a foreign government and no us citizens who have dual nationality should work in government. I say this as a dual national.
I’ve seen this statement a lot on this page and it makes me wonder, when people say this are they talking about those who hold citizenship from both Israel and the United States or are they talking about American citizens who are Jewish? Because those two things are not the same but more and more I’m beginning to feel that people don’t understand that very real difference.
Why would you assume only Israel. People with government security clearances with access to US secrets and governance should not have dual citizenship/loyalties to any country. There are federal government workers with dual citizenship with Ireland, Nigeria, Israel, Italy, India, China, Surinam, etc. This should not be the norm.
Anonymous
08/18/2025 09:24
Subject: Where is the outrage about the Israeli starvation of Gaza?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are American Jews here still supporting AIPAC?
What are you going to do about it?
DP
???
If American Jews continue to support AIPAC, what do you deem to be the consequences? That is the question.
DP.
I'd say register AIPAC as a foreign agent (which it is).
No one with ANY dual citizenship of ANY country can serve in ANY level of government
That's insane.
Many local governments would be crippled by this you ungrateful pos
Which local governments would be crippled by this? What other countries allow their government workers, especially those with security clearances, allow dual loyalties?
Anonymous
08/18/2025 09:21
Subject: Where is the outrage about the Israeli starvation of Gaza?
Anonymous wrote:Just the most racist and lethal nation on earth.
This. And the mental gymnastics it’s supporters force us to engage in to support this most racist nation is infuriating.
Anonymous
08/18/2025 09:13
Subject: Where is the outrage about the Israeli starvation of Gaza?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are American Jews here still supporting AIPAC?
What are you going to do about it?
DP
???
If American Jews continue to support AIPAC, what do you deem to be the consequences? That is the question.
DP.
I'd say register AIPAC as a foreign agent (which it is).
No one with ANY dual citizenship of ANY country can serve in ANY level of government
That's insane.
Many local governments would be crippled by this you ungrateful pos
From my standpoint- and I wont speak for others- its already crippled by this. That wouldn't be removing dual citizenship, it would just mean you need to choose if you are going to work in the government.
Are you really so xenophobic you want to prohibit dual citizens (and I assume documented non citizens authorized to work in US) from working as bus drivers, teachers and first responders? Do you realize how insane and hateful you sound?
You are really pedantic arent you? In positions of power: judicial, legislative, and executive.
Oh so now when called out you are walking back your ridiculous statement saying that "No one with ANY dual citizenship of ANY country can serve in ANY level of government"
Anonymous
08/18/2025 09:09
Subject: Where is the outrage about the Israeli starvation of Gaza?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are American Jews here still supporting AIPAC?
What are you going to do about it?
DP
???
If American Jews continue to support AIPAC, what do you deem to be the consequences? That is the question.
DP.
I'd say register AIPAC as a foreign agent (which it is).
No one with ANY dual citizenship of ANY country can serve in ANY level of government
That's insane.
Many local governments would be crippled by this you ungrateful pos
From my standpoint- and I wont speak for others- its already crippled by this. That wouldn't be removing dual citizenship, it would just mean you need to choose if you are going to work in the government.
Are you really so xenophobic you want to prohibit dual citizens (and I assume documented non citizens authorized to work in US) from working as bus drivers, teachers and first responders? Do you realize how insane and hateful you sound?
You are really pedantic arent you? In positions of power: judicial, legislative, and executive.
Anonymous
08/18/2025 08:55
Subject: Where is the outrage about the Israeli starvation of Gaza?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are American Jews here still supporting AIPAC?
What are you going to do about it?
DP
???
If American Jews continue to support AIPAC, what do you deem to be the consequences? That is the question.
DP.
I'd say register AIPAC as a foreign agent (which it is).
No one with ANY dual citizenship of ANY country can serve in ANY level of government
That's insane.
Many local governments would be crippled by this you ungrateful pos
From my standpoint- and I wont speak for others- its already crippled by this. That wouldn't be removing dual citizenship, it would just mean you need to choose if you are going to work in the government.
Are you really so xenophobic you want to prohibit dual citizens (and I assume documented non citizens authorized to work in US) from working as bus drivers, teachers and first responders? Do you realize how insane and hateful you sound?
Anonymous
08/18/2025 08:53
Subject: Where is the outrage about the Israeli starvation of Gaza?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are American Jews here still supporting AIPAC?
What are you going to do about it?
DP
???
If American Jews continue to support AIPAC, what do you deem to be the consequences? That is the question.
DP.
I'd say register AIPAC as a foreign agent (which it is).
No one with ANY dual citizenship of ANY country can serve in ANY level of government
That's insane.
Many local governments would be crippled by this you ungrateful pos
From my standpoint- and I wont speak for others- its already crippled by this. That wouldn't be removing dual citizenship, it would just mean you need to choose if you are going to work in the government.