Anonymous wrote:There is talk about DRP 3.0 ...

When was 2.0?

Anonymous wrote:There is talk about DRP 3.0 ...

For a few months til end of September? Not very enticing unless you were already planning to leave.

There is talk about DRP 3.0 ...

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Anonymous wrote:Does the office look a touch emptier in the last week or two? Everywhere - elevators, garage etc. Are people on really staggered schedules or are they simply not showing up whether using leave or telework? The VERA ppl left over a month ago so it can’t be that bc then it looked more crowded.

There are many “exceptions” to the RTO policy.

Such as?

I know there are reasonable accommodations but I assumed doctor sign off. Is everyone running to the drs for sign off due to stress or something?

I assume you read the policy. I count at least 5 exceptions.

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Anonymous wrote:Does the office look a touch emptier in the last week or two? Everywhere - elevators, garage etc. Are people on really staggered schedules or are they simply not showing up whether using leave or telework? The VERA ppl left over a month ago so it can’t be that bc then it looked more crowded.

There are many “exceptions” to the RTO policy.

Such as?

I know there are reasonable accommodations but I assumed doctor sign off. Is everyone running to the drs for sign off due to stress or something?

Anonymous wrote:Does the office look a touch emptier in the last week or two? Everywhere - elevators, garage etc. Are people on really staggered schedules or are they simply not showing up whether using leave or telework? The VERA ppl left over a month ago so it can’t be that bc then it looked more crowded.

There are many “exceptions” to the RTO policy.

Does the office look a touch emptier in the last week or two? Everywhere - elevators, garage etc. Are people on really staggered schedules or are they simply not showing up whether using leave or telework? The VERA ppl left over a month ago so it can’t be that bc then it looked more crowded.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard nothing about expanding core hours and most of my group works very early, and leaves 2 or 2:30

people in your group get into work at 5:30 am??

Or they take lunch at the end of the day, WHICH IS ALLOWED.

No it is not allowed - we already went over this extensively.

Citation? And don’t say “my intuition” or “my hr drinking buddy.”

Article 7, Section 14

https://www.secunion.org/article-7-work-schedules

lol. So we’re citing the CBA now for agency policy?? There’s another provision in there I’d like to enforce, then, if the CBA suddenly is authoritative! Or are we just picking the provisions that we like or happen to agree with?

So the CBA is just someone’s intuition or an hr drinking buddy?

Apparently.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard nothing about expanding core hours and most of my group works very early, and leaves 2 or 2:30

people in your group get into work at 5:30 am??

Or they take lunch at the end of the day, WHICH IS ALLOWED.

No it is not allowed - we already went over this extensively.

Citation? And don’t say “my intuition” or “my hr drinking buddy.”

Article 7, Section 14

https://www.secunion.org/article-7-work-schedules

lol. So we’re citing the CBA now for agency policy?? There’s another provision in there I’d like to enforce, then, if the CBA suddenly is authoritative! Or are we just picking the provisions that we like or happen to agree with?

So the CBA is just someone’s intuition or an hr drinking buddy?

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard nothing about expanding core hours and most of my group works very early, and leaves 2 or 2:30

people in your group get into work at 5:30 am??

Or they take lunch at the end of the day, WHICH IS ALLOWED.

No it is not allowed - we already went over this extensively.

Citation? And don’t say “my intuition” or “my hr drinking buddy.”

Article 7, Section 14

https://www.secunion.org/article-7-work-schedules

lol. So we’re citing the CBA now for agency policy?? There’s another provision in there I’d like to enforce, then, if the CBA suddenly is authoritative! Or are we just picking the provisions that we like or happen to agree with?

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard nothing about expanding core hours and most of my group works very early, and leaves 2 or 2:30

people in your group get into work at 5:30 am??

Or they take lunch at the end of the day, WHICH IS ALLOWED.

No it is not allowed - we already went over this extensively.

Citation? And don’t say “my intuition” or “my hr drinking buddy.”

Article 7, Section 14

https://www.secunion.org/article-7-work-schedules

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard nothing about expanding core hours and most of my group works very early, and leaves 2 or 2:30

people in your group get into work at 5:30 am??

NP here. Yes, there are multiple folks in my group that do this.

So they wake up at 4:30am to go to work? That sounds hellish. I don’t think I got a JD to wake up at the same time I did in college when I worked at a bagel shop.

I wake up at 4:45 to leave by 5:00 and be at work at 5:30. I leave work at 2. On days when I have a later meeting, I get approval to start later and end later. I usually don’t get time to eat lunch because my day is fairly packed from 9-2. I just wanted to be around my kids in the after school hours. From 2020-2024 I got used to being around them more and being around for the after school debrief, driving them around for activities or taking the younger ones to the park, helping with homework, etc. I truly love it and didn’t want to give it up.

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What would you do with this info? And if you knew it, would you feel it was reliable?

I hope there won't be RIFs but I'm planning as if there will be. I don't think there's any information that would change that.

I have an exploding offer from the private sector. I have to decide by next Friday, May 23.

I want to stay. Worst case scenario is if I decide to say and then end up getting RIFed. It's extremely hard to get a good job.

You’re kind of an idiot for even considering staying. I mean c’mon.

+1. I wouldn't stay either to be honest. I don't think there will be RIFs because I think a lot of people are going to leave on their own but I don't think the working environment is going to get better, it may even get worse.

How could it possibly get worse?? It’s pretty rock bottom.

PP here and increased workload plus potentially less flexibility (i.e. DHS mandatory 9-5). They are already expanding ding core hours.

Where did you hear anything about expanding core hours?

To be fair this is happening in my unit rather than a broader thing and for attorneys only (not accountants). Its not dramatic but they're saying they need people to leave no earlier than 3.

it’s hard to really complain about that …

I guess it depends on your situation. For people with a long commute it can make a substantial difference with traffic. For people with school aged kids it can be the difference in being able to get them off the bus after school.

It’s almost like it’s hard to find after school care in March or something nice

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What would you do with this info? And if you knew it, would you feel it was reliable?

I hope there won't be RIFs but I'm planning as if there will be. I don't think there's any information that would change that.

I have an exploding offer from the private sector. I have to decide by next Friday, May 23.

I want to stay. Worst case scenario is if I decide to say and then end up getting RIFed. It's extremely hard to get a good job.

You’re kind of an idiot for even considering staying. I mean c’mon.

+1. I wouldn't stay either to be honest. I don't think there will be RIFs because I think a lot of people are going to leave on their own but I don't think the working environment is going to get better, it may even get worse.

How could it possibly get worse?? It’s pretty rock bottom.

PP here and increased workload plus potentially less flexibility (i.e. DHS mandatory 9-5). They are already expanding ding core hours.

Where did you hear anything about expanding core hours?

To be fair this is happening in my unit rather than a broader thing and for attorneys only (not accountants). Its not dramatic but they're saying they need people to leave no earlier than 3.

it’s hard to really complain about that …

I guess it depends on your situation. For people with a long commute it can make a substantial difference with traffic. For people with school aged kids it can be the difference in being able to get them off the bus after school.

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Anonymous wrote:I have heard nothing about expanding core hours and most of my group works very early, and leaves 2 or 2:30

people in your group get into work at 5:30 am??

NP here. Yes, there are multiple folks in my group that do this.

So they wake up at 4:30am to go to work? That sounds hellish. I don’t think I got a JD to wake up at the same time I did in college when I worked at a bagel shop.

I do this. It's not fun (I don't have insomnia) but this is the job and schedule that work best right now, so I do it.