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Anonymous wrote:An intruder comes with weapons and ransom notes already prepared. They aren’t rummaging through the house to sit down and make a garrot, find a pad and pen to write and then rewrite a ransom note, find a paintbrush and train tracks, and a flashlight.

I watched a tv show on Phroggers and it was terrifying! This one guy had been stalking a woman for almost a year and would sneak into her house, hide under her bed, and lie in wait for her to come home and go to sleep. He'd then sit and admire her while she slept and sneak out before she woke the next morning. It went on for months.

Another couple kept finding items disturbed in their home that they couldn't explain and at first thought the old owner/some random neighbor had a key and were doing to mess with them even though realtor assured them the locks had been changed before they moved in. They changed the locks again and still got the creepy feeling that someone had been in their space, so they set up cameras in each room and caught a phrogger. The guy would come out during the day when they left and enjoy the house. He hid himself in the evening before they got back from work. I think he lived in a portioned part of the basement or a small crawlspace/closet.

And everyone keeps ignoring the fact that there was a serial rapist in Boulder around that time who liked to break into the house while people were out and wait.

And I’ll add to your experience, I’ve seen tons of true crime where serial rapists and serial killers love to come into the house when no one is there with no intention of killing or raping, it’s part of their thrill… They keep ramping it up over weeks and months and it an escalates until they finally are able to rape or kill the victim. This is common.

Given that there was something like seven unlocked doors and windows, and they had never repaired the broken window for months earlier, and they didn’t set their alarm, this was just not concerned about security.

That would all be more compelling if patsy’s jacket fibers weren’t found all over each element of staging, including the garrote and pineapple bowl (which also contained burkes fingerprints), if she hadn’t written the ransom note (and the draft ransom note), if the murder hadn’t been conducted with materials from around the family home that only someone who lived there would really know where to find, if jonbenet didn’t have signs of prior sexual assault, if an abduction hadn’t been staged only to find the body in the house, if Burke hadn’t been heard on the 911 call despite parents claiming he was asleep, and so many other things that incriminate the family here.

People keep grasping to an intruder with no trace or a trace fragment of DNA and ignoring the Ramsey elephants in every room of that house.

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Anonymous wrote:An intruder comes with weapons and ransom notes already prepared. They aren’t rummaging through the house to sit down and make a garrot, find a pad and pen to write and then rewrite a ransom note, find a paintbrush and train tracks, and a flashlight.

I watched a tv show on Phroggers and it was terrifying! This one guy had been stalking a woman for almost a year and would sneak into her house, hide under her bed, and lie in wait for her to come home and go to sleep. He'd then sit and admire her while she slept and sneak out before she woke the next morning. It went on for months.

Another couple kept finding items disturbed in their home that they couldn't explain and at first thought the old owner/some random neighbor had a key and were doing to mess with them even though realtor assured them the locks had been changed before they moved in. They changed the locks again and still got the creepy feeling that someone had been in their space, so they set up cameras in each room and caught a phrogger. The guy would come out during the day when they left and enjoy the house. He hid himself in the evening before they got back from work. I think he lived in a portioned part of the basement or a small crawlspace/closet.

And everyone keeps ignoring the fact that there was a serial rapist in Boulder around that time who liked to break into the house while people were out and wait.

And I’ll add to your experience, I’ve seen tons of true crime where serial rapists and serial killers love to come into the house when no one is there with no intention of killing or raping, it’s part of their thrill… They keep ramping it up over weeks and months and it an escalates until they finally are able to rape or kill the victim. This is common.

Given that there was something like seven unlocked doors and windows, and they had never repaired the broken window for months earlier, and they didn’t set their alarm, this was just not concerned about security.

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Anonymous wrote:An intruder comes with weapons and ransom notes already prepared. They aren’t rummaging through the house to sit down and make a garrot, find a pad and pen to write and then rewrite a ransom note, find a paintbrush and train tracks, and a flashlight.

I watched a tv show on Phroggers and it was terrifying! This one guy had been stalking a woman for almost a year and would sneak into her house, hide under her bed, and lie in wait for her to come home and go to sleep. He'd then sit and admire her while she slept and sneak out before she woke the next morning. It went on for months.

Another couple kept finding items disturbed in their home that they couldn't explain and at first thought the old owner/some random neighbor had a key and were doing to mess with them even though realtor assured them the locks had been changed before they moved in. They changed the locks again and still got the creepy feeling that someone had been in their space, so they set up cameras in each room and caught a phrogger. The guy would come out during the day when they left and enjoy the house. He hid himself in the evening before they got back from work. I think he lived in a portioned part of the basement or a small crawlspace/closet.

Anonymous wrote:An intruder comes with weapons and ransom notes already prepared. They aren’t rummaging through the house to sit down and make a garrot, find a pad and pen to write and then rewrite a ransom note, find a paintbrush and train tracks, and a flashlight.

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Anonymous wrote:An intruder comes with weapons and ransom notes already prepared. They aren’t rummaging through the house to sit down and make a garrot, find a pad and pen to write and then rewrite a ransom note, find a paintbrush and train tracks, and a flashlight.

Maybe the intruder had been in the house before. There are many explanations. Many more reasonable than this family acting wildly out of character one night as a few would try to have us believe.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Did any of you actually watch the cold case documentary? The parents and Burke did not do this. The case is bizarre but it’s not the parents. I feel like it’s eye opening in the same way as the Menendez case is now. Earlier opinions tainted by smearing and leaks intended to paint these folks as killers. Watch it and then follow up. John wasn’t paid for it, didn’t ask for edit of it and was very cooperative.
The experts didn’t all conclude it was family! Actually the best FBI profilers and most experienced investigators like Lou Smit and John Douglas concluded it’s an intruder. Hopefully more sophisticated DNA tests will be taken and some previously investigated suspects could be tied in with that to find out who did this.

Even if you believe an intruder did this, how do you explain the ransom note written on Patsy’s legal pad with her handwriting and speech?

What home intruder kills a little girl and then decides to hang around and write a ransom note before disappearing into the Christmas night?

Well, the one that wrote the note in advance bc they planned on kidnapping her.

Put the note on the bottom of the stairs. Then went to her room to abduct her. On the way, maybe she started to scream or squirm or something, so they hit her. Maybe a little too hard. And she was unconscious. They are a pedo weirdo, so while she is dying, they continue to strangle her and they get their rocks off. Then they flee, without going back up to retrieve the note

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Anonymous wrote:An intruder comes with weapons and ransom notes already prepared. They aren’t rummaging through the house to sit down and make a garrot, find a pad and pen to write and then rewrite a ransom note, find a paintbrush and train tracks, and a flashlight.

Maybe the intruder had been in the house before. There are many explanations. Many more reasonable than this family acting wildly out of character one night as a few would try to have us believe.

Anonymous wrote:An intruder comes with weapons and ransom notes already prepared. They aren’t rummaging through the house to sit down and make a garrot, find a pad and pen to write and then rewrite a ransom note, find a paintbrush and train tracks, and a flashlight.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it was Burke for the simple reason that he's never done anything like that since. Kids who do terrible things like that (and who are too young for the official psychopath/sociopath diagnosis), are not people who are one-and-done. They have repeating patterns. They escalate. They start with animals and move on to humans. They start with a weaker child and then work their way up to adults.

Even if it was some kind of accident, he'd have to have sociopathic traits to not have something like that affect his entire life. From what I've heard, he's a well-adjusted adult.

I think the father was molesting the daughter. The mother walked in on it, and wanted to strike him in the head but hit Jonbenet instead knocking her out. They both had a secret over each other at that point: father abusing the daughter, mother killing the daughter so they had to act fast and stage the "ransom note and kidnapping"

Burke was not involved.

Patsy tried to hit John, who was taller than her? over the head with a flashlight? And then she missed and instead hit jonbenet who was probably two feet shorter than John?

Even if they were both sitting or laying down, the order doesn’t make sense. Jonbenet’s shirt collar was first twisted around her neck while she was conscious, which is why she had some defense marks near her throat. Then she was hit over the head, knocked unconscious and 45 min- 2 hours elapsed while her brain bled. During that time, the paintbrush injuries were incurred, she was poked at with what seems like the ends of burkes electric train tracks, and eventually she was strangled to death by the ligature at which point her bladder let out on the carpet outside the wine cellar.

After her death, duct tape was applied to her mouth and loose string was put around her wrists to make it look like an abduction. Patsys jacket fibers were on the neck and hand ligatures along with the duct tape. Fibers were also found from a pair of cotton work gloves. Jonbenet was at some point wrapped in a blanket from the dryer.

None of the injuries seem consistent with what a capable adult would do. Patsys jacket fibers make it seem like she was the one who found jonbenet, tried to remove the neck ligature, realized she was deceased, and then proceeded to stage the abduction gently with duct tape and loose string around her hands. She would not have known that jonbenet had a skull fracture and would only have seen that she was strangled - and perhaps she assumed sexually assaulted as well if they had been dealing with inappropriate behavior with Burke already.

John strikes me as having been kind of aloof to the family in general. Patsy was overwhelmed at home trying to keep up appearances, raising kids, raising a beauty pageant queen, and dealing (or not dealing) with a son who was exhibiting signs of psychological issues.

The family doctor appointments or something or other implied JB had frequent yeast infections or rashes down there or some problems. That’s not normal for a 6 year old. Burke was 8-9 and at that age boys are not sexual.

There’s only one obvious culprit here

John purposely carried a dead JB , not in tears or beside himself in shock as a father that his daughter was just killed by some intruder in their own home, and he sabotaged the police crime scene to give reason for why his DNA would be on the garrot and sticker.

That’s “not normal”? Kids that age are still not night trained, don’t wipe well, have constipation issues, etc. It’s completely normal to have issues.

Except JB wasn’t wiping herself. Her thing was asking adults to wipe her which was causing frustration at 6 along with the bed wetting. She was seen for vaginitis and chronic inflammation which is not normal to be seen for so often. She was taken to the pediatrician 27 times in 3 years for various issues largely related to urinary incontinence


What’s also interesting is John Ramsey always denies that Jb was sexually abused but at the same time says a pedophile killed her. I guess pedophiles don’t molest? He is only adamant about 2 facts about the case: 1.that she wasn’t getting molested. 2.that the garrot and strangulation came before the head blow.

This tells me she was getting molested and the head blow was before the garrot was made. The garrot looked like something someone in the Navy would be able to remember: John Ramsey did it

A panel of experts shown the autopsy.This panel consisted of:


"John McCann, MD - Clinical Professor of Medicine, Department of Pediatrics, UC Davis, acknowledged to be the foremost expert on child sexual abuse in the country;
David Jones, MD - Professor of Preventive Medicine and Biometrics, UC Boulder;
Robert Kirschner, MD - University of Chicago Department of Pathology;
James Monteleone, MD - Professor of Pediatrics at St Louis University School of Medicine and Director of Child Protection at Cardinal Glennon Children's Hospital;
Ronald Wright, MD - former Medical Examiner, Cook County, Illinois; andVirginia Rau, MD - Miami-Dade County Medical Examiner.

They observed, among other chronic injuries, a hymen that had been eroded over time and a vaginal opening twice normal size for a six year old. All stated they observed "evidence of both acute injury and chronic sexual abuse". Dr Cyril Wecht, a forensic pathologist, in a separate assessment, concurred.

I could find only two medical experts who, in separate reviews of the evidence, had anything approaching dissenting opinions:

Dr Michael Doberson, Arapahoe County, Colorado coroner, said only he would need more information before coming to a conclusion.
Dr Richard Krugman, Dean of University of Colorado Health Services, has not denied evidence of prior sexual abuse, but said "Jonbenet was not a sexually abused child. I don't believe it's possible to tell whether any child is sexually abused on physical findings alone", to which Cyril Wecht responded "What is Krugman talking about?"

"JBR was taken to her pediatrician 27 times in 3 years. Five of those visits were for vaginitis, but Dr Beuf had never performed an internal exam. On 12/17/96 Patsy Ramsey called Dr Beuf's office three times between 5:00-6:00 PM. Eight days later, Jonbenet was dead. I do not believe an experienced mother of two would make three after hours calls in sixty minutes to her child's pediatrician for a routine cold or sore throat. I do believe it likely that JBR had yet another vaginal infection, and Patsy had finally become alarmed and was demanding answers - answers that could only be determined by a full pelvic exam, information Patsy would have shared with her husband. Dr Beuf was a mandated reporter, required by law to report any abnormal findings to Child Protective Services. JBR was not killed to prevent her tattling, but rather because when the family returned from Charlevoix and their cruise on the Big Red Boat, there was a pelvic exam in that child's future, the sexual abuse would be discovered and reported, and the perpetrator thereof would face public humiliation, loss of his company, his social standing, his family, and possibly his freedom. Sources are Schiller, Thomas, Kolar, The Jonbenet Ramsey Case Encyclopedia, acandyrose, and a book called "An Angel Betrayed".

makes sense. Obviously a family member.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Did any of you actually watch the cold case documentary? The parents and Burke did not do this. The case is bizarre but it’s not the parents. I feel like it’s eye opening in the same way as the Menendez case is now. Earlier opinions tainted by smearing and leaks intended to paint these folks as killers. Watch it and then follow up. John wasn’t paid for it, didn’t ask for edit of it and was very cooperative.
The experts didn’t all conclude it was family! Actually the best FBI profilers and most experienced investigators like Lou Smit and John Douglas concluded it’s an intruder. Hopefully more sophisticated DNA tests will be taken and some previously investigated suspects could be tied in with that to find out who did this.

Even if you believe an intruder did this, how do you explain the ransom note written on Patsy’s legal pad with her handwriting and speech?

What home intruder kills a little girl and then decides to hang around and write a ransom note before disappearing into the Christmas night?

Well, the one that wrote the note in advance bc they planned on kidnapping her.

Put the note on the bottom of the stairs. Then went to her room to abduct her. On the way, maybe she started to scream or squirm or something, so they hit her. Maybe a little too hard. And she was unconscious. They are a pedo weirdo, so while she is dying, they continue to strangle her and they get their rocks off. Then they flee, without going back up to retrieve the note

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it was Burke for the simple reason that he's never done anything like that since. Kids who do terrible things like that (and who are too young for the official psychopath/sociopath diagnosis), are not people who are one-and-done. They have repeating patterns. They escalate. They start with animals and move on to humans. They start with a weaker child and then work their way up to adults.

Even if it was some kind of accident, he'd have to have sociopathic traits to not have something like that affect his entire life. From what I've heard, he's a well-adjusted adult.

I think the father was molesting the daughter. The mother walked in on it, and wanted to strike him in the head but hit Jonbenet instead knocking her out. They both had a secret over each other at that point: father abusing the daughter, mother killing the daughter so they had to act fast and stage the "ransom note and kidnapping"

Burke was not involved.

Patsy tried to hit John, who was taller than her? over the head with a flashlight? And then she missed and instead hit jonbenet who was probably two feet shorter than John?

Even if they were both sitting or laying down, the order doesn’t make sense. Jonbenet’s shirt collar was first twisted around her neck while she was conscious, which is why she had some defense marks near her throat. Then she was hit over the head, knocked unconscious and 45 min- 2 hours elapsed while her brain bled. During that time, the paintbrush injuries were incurred, she was poked at with what seems like the ends of burkes electric train tracks, and eventually she was strangled to death by the ligature at which point her bladder let out on the carpet outside the wine cellar.

After her death, duct tape was applied to her mouth and loose string was put around her wrists to make it look like an abduction. Patsys jacket fibers were on the neck and hand ligatures along with the duct tape. Fibers were also found from a pair of cotton work gloves. Jonbenet was at some point wrapped in a blanket from the dryer.

None of the injuries seem consistent with what a capable adult would do. Patsys jacket fibers make it seem like she was the one who found jonbenet, tried to remove the neck ligature, realized she was deceased, and then proceeded to stage the abduction gently with duct tape and loose string around her hands. She would not have known that jonbenet had a skull fracture and would only have seen that she was strangled - and perhaps she assumed sexually assaulted as well if they had been dealing with inappropriate behavior with Burke already.

John strikes me as having been kind of aloof to the family in general. Patsy was overwhelmed at home trying to keep up appearances, raising kids, raising a beauty pageant queen, and dealing (or not dealing) with a son who was exhibiting signs of psychological issues.

The family doctor appointments or something or other implied JB had frequent yeast infections or rashes down there or some problems. That’s not normal for a 6 year old. Burke was 8-9 and at that age boys are not sexual.

There’s only one obvious culprit here

John purposely carried a dead JB , not in tears or beside himself in shock as a father that his daughter was just killed by some intruder in their own home, and he sabotaged the police crime scene to give reason for why his DNA would be on the garrot and sticker.

That’s “not normal”? Kids that age are still not night trained, don’t wipe well, have constipation issues, etc. It’s completely normal to have issues.

Except JB wasn’t wiping herself. Her thing was asking adults to wipe her which was causing frustration at 6 along with the bed wetting. She was seen for vaginitis and chronic inflammation which is not normal to be seen for so often. She was taken to the pediatrician 27 times in 3 years for various issues largely related to urinary incontinence


What’s also interesting is John Ramsey always denies that Jb was sexually abused but at the same time says a pedophile killed her. I guess pedophiles don’t molest? He is only adamant about 2 facts about the case: 1.that she wasn’t getting molested. 2.that the garrot and strangulation came before the head blow.

This tells me she was getting molested and the head blow was before the garrot was made. The garrot looked like something someone in the Navy would be able to remember: John Ramsey did it

A panel of experts shown the autopsy.This panel consisted of:


"John McCann, MD - Clinical Professor of Medicine, Department of Pediatrics, UC Davis, acknowledged to be the foremost expert on child sexual abuse in the country;
David Jones, MD - Professor of Preventive Medicine and Biometrics, UC Boulder;
Robert Kirschner, MD - University of Chicago Department of Pathology;
James Monteleone, MD - Professor of Pediatrics at St Louis University School of Medicine and Director of Child Protection at Cardinal Glennon Children's Hospital;
Ronald Wright, MD - former Medical Examiner, Cook County, Illinois; andVirginia Rau, MD - Miami-Dade County Medical Examiner.

They observed, among other chronic injuries, a hymen that had been eroded over time and a vaginal opening twice normal size for a six year old. All stated they observed "evidence of both acute injury and chronic sexual abuse". Dr Cyril Wecht, a forensic pathologist, in a separate assessment, concurred.

I could find only two medical experts who, in separate reviews of the evidence, had anything approaching dissenting opinions:

Dr Michael Doberson, Arapahoe County, Colorado coroner, said only he would need more information before coming to a conclusion.
Dr Richard Krugman, Dean of University of Colorado Health Services, has not denied evidence of prior sexual abuse, but said "Jonbenet was not a sexually abused child. I don't believe it's possible to tell whether any child is sexually abused on physical findings alone", to which Cyril Wecht responded "What is Krugman talking about?"

"JBR was taken to her pediatrician 27 times in 3 years. Five of those visits were for vaginitis, but Dr Beuf had never performed an internal exam. On 12/17/96 Patsy Ramsey called Dr Beuf's office three times between 5:00-6:00 PM. Eight days later, Jonbenet was dead. I do not believe an experienced mother of two would make three after hours calls in sixty minutes to her child's pediatrician for a routine cold or sore throat. I do believe it likely that JBR had yet another vaginal infection, and Patsy had finally become alarmed and was demanding answers - answers that could only be determined by a full pelvic exam, information Patsy would have shared with her husband. Dr Beuf was a mandated reporter, required by law to report any abnormal findings to Child Protective Services. JBR was not killed to prevent her tattling, but rather because when the family returned from Charlevoix and their cruise on the Big Red Boat, there was a pelvic exam in that child's future, the sexual abuse would be discovered and reported, and the perpetrator thereof would face public humiliation, loss of his company, his social standing, his family, and possibly his freedom. Sources are Schiller, Thomas, Kolar, The Jonbenet Ramsey Case Encyclopedia, acandyrose, and a book called "An Angel Betrayed".