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Anonymous wrote:Very expensive! I mean, who’s going to mow my lawn, clean our toilets, cook our dinners, and fix things around our house for modern slave wages?

- elitist closet racist libs

I have a lady up the street from me with a Trump sign in her yard who has a lawn crew a bunch of illegal aliens in it. It was very odd watching them do leaf clean-up this fall. I’m looking forward to springtime when no one shows up to do her yard work.

Teens in our bethesda neighborhood do it for their community hours. Takes 3 hours a lot, a tarp and a rake. Bfd.

We’d pay them $20 an hour otherwise since we all have colds and can’t DIY this week. Again, BFD.

Not in my vast suburban wasteland. Mow and blow crews as far as the eye can see. A lot of trumpers are going to be buying mowers and rakes soon. They will whine and cry.

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Anonymous wrote:Very expensive! I mean, who’s going to mow my lawn, clean our toilets, cook our dinners, and fix things around our house for modern slave wages?

- elitist closet racist libs

I have a lady up the street from me with a Trump sign in her yard who has a lawn crew a bunch of illegal aliens in it. It was very odd watching them do leaf clean-up this fall. I’m looking forward to springtime when no one shows up to do her yard work.

Teens in our bethesda neighborhood do it for their community hours. Takes 3 hours a lot, a tarp and a rake. Bfd.

We’d pay them $20 an hour otherwise since we all have colds and can’t DIY this week. Again, BFD.

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Anonymous wrote:Very expensive! I mean, who’s going to mow my lawn, clean our toilets, cook our dinners, and fix things around our house for modern slave wages?

- elitist closet racist libs

I have a lady up the street from me with a Trump sign in her yard who has a lawn crew a bunch of illegal aliens in it. It was very odd watching them do leaf clean-up this fall. I’m looking forward to springtime when no one shows up to do her yard work.

Teens in our bethesda neighborhood do it for their community hours. Takes 3 hours a lot, a tarp and a rake. Bfd.

We’d pay them $20 an hour otherwise since we all have colds and can’t DIY this week. Again, BFD.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...

They come because Republicans keep hiring them.

Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)

All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?

You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US. Trump can do it on Day 1 and should. There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused.

Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?

Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine.

American workers don't want those jobs. Even for $26 an hour. And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry. You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.

then we need to give those foreign fruit pickers status. we cannot have a permanent underclass who live in the shadows, are both exploited and stealing ametican identities /exploiting american citizens. i used to work in a medical clininc in TP MD and so many people were sharing SS#s and scamming medicaid.

There is already a guest worker program for migrant farmworkers. If farms are using undocumented labor, it is because they don’t want to use existing formal channels. We can all speculate as to why.

So it boils down to employers choosing to hire undocumented workers. Want to stop this crap? You find out who's employing them and fine *them*, punish *them*, regulate *them.* Going after the migrants won't work unless there's nothing here for them unless done legally. But Trump/MAGA/any Republican really won't do that because it's too fun to punch down on the "illegals."

Punish both sides. At the same time .

All criminals and fraudsters deported immediately. High priority.

Stop citizenship by birth too. A fruit picker doesn’t need to show up with wives, aunts, children.

OR legitimize and regulate the employment relationship.

Create a guest worker program designed to cover existing employed undocumented workers who are paying taxes and otherwise following the law. Create a curing period where workers and employers can together obtain guest worker status and valid visas in order to remain in their jobs. Employers who continue to employ undocumented workers after the curing period will be fined to help pay for the costs of deporting those workers. Employers who knowingly employ workers (with or without visas) who are violating tax law or committing other crimes are also fined. Guest workers must submit to monitoring and if they don't remain in good standing with regards to taxes and avoiding criminal activity, they are deported.

Use tax apparatus to encourage the employment behaviors we want and discourage those we don't. Use fines and regulation to punish employers who attempt to avoid the program or use it inappropriately to undercut American workers. Crack down on undocumented independent contractors using cash businesses to avoid both legal immigration and paying taxes. Require such workers to apply for valid business licenses on special visas and then make this info easily available to consumers so that it's easy for people to hire documented workers as independent contractors. Fine people who hire undocumented contractors. Use fines to help fund that system that will process and monitor guest workers and conduct deportations when necessary.

This can be a pragmatic, technical resolution that helps everyone. It can have punitive elements (deportation, fines) for negative behaviors but overall it should operate as a carrot instead of a stick. Immigrants who want access to jobs in the US should only be able to get them through legitimate means.

Throwing everyone out makes no sense when such a large portion of undocumented workers are gainfully employed in jobs for which employers desperately need workers and these workers and employers pay taxes and are not otherwise violating the law. If we legitimize these workers and regulate them that will make it easier for us to go after the immigrants who are NOT otherwise complying with the law and the employers who use undocumented workers simply to undercut American workers and avoid taxes.

Most illegals are NOT “Gainfully employed” most of the 12 month year.

They’re bouncing around chasing cash pay jobs, tripping all over each other and newbies, and getting bullied to pay others’ rent and remit more money to the homeland.

Anonymous wrote:Cutting off schools and all financial assistance.

No food stamps

No housing

Applying random arrests and jail time… then. Expulsion

Forcing payment of hospital bills or jail time upon hospital release

Will save hundreds of billions and cause massive voluntary deportation

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Anonymous wrote:The plan seems to be to start with illegal immigrants that are criminals. Like the illegal immigrant that killed Laken Riley. He had been arrested twice in NY-one time for harming a child under 16- and the federal government paid for a plane ticket for him to go to Georgia, where he murdered Laken.

Those are the illegal immigrants that the new administration is going to deport first. There is absolutely no reason for them to be in the United States, committing crimes. It’s indefensible. And taxpayers paid for his plane ticket to kill that poor young lady. Unbelievable.

+1 Laken innocwently goes for a run with no idea that criminal gang members from Venezuela are living just a few yards away.

I don't think a single person who did not vote for Trump will object to criminals like Laken Riley's killer being deported.

Then why were he, his brother, and fellow gang members allowed to be in this country, despite their arrests, criminal history, and illegal entry?

And why are cities/states preparing to defy Trump in this endeavor? Many are already openly declaring that they will not work with Trump and ICE to remove illegal immigrants-which include people like Laken Riley’s killer.
They say they are going to protect “their people.” Excuse me, why are illegal immigrants who commit crimes protected at all? The law enforcement in each jurisdiction should be absolutely working with ICE to remove illegal immigrants who commit crimes.


Flores Bello identified the man in the video as Jose Ibarra and confirmed that identification on the witness stand Monday. She said she had previously seen him wearing the dark hooded jacket and thought it was strange that he threw it away.

Testifying through of an interpreter, Bello said she met Ibarra in Queens, New York. Ibarra's brother, Diego, lived in Athens and had been urging Ibarra to move there, saying they would find work. She traveled with Ibarra to join his brother in Georgia. She said they went to the Roosevelt Hotel, which served as an intake center for migrants, to ask for a "humanitarian flight" to Georgia in September 2023. When they arrived in Atlanta, a friend of Diego Ibarra picked them up and drove them to Athens.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/laken-riley-murder-suspect-grilled-by-wife-jail-phone-call/

Diego Ibarra, the killer’s brother, is in jail, charged with green card fraud:

Jose's defense attorney, John Donnelly, mentioned that Diego's defense attorney advised that he should not testify during Jose's trial while he is currently charged with green card fraud.

ICE previously confirmed to Fox News Digital that Jose Ibarra had been arrested by the New York Police Department a year after he entered the U.S. in August 2023 and was "charged with acting in a manner to injure a child less than 17 and a motor vehicle license violation."

Diego Ibarra, who worked briefly at a UGA cafeteria before his arrest in February, had ties to a known Venezuelan gang in the U.S., Tren de Aragua, according to federal court documents.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/laken-riley-murder-defense-prosecution-weighs-whether-jose-ibarras-brothers-testify-trial.amp


This is unacceptable and governors and mayors and every single elected official in every state should be eager to work with the new administration to get the criminals that are here illegally out of the United States.

Why? There is no rule of law. There is no good faith or even decent people on the Republican side. All you people offer is hate, authoritarianism and the barrel of a gun to people’s heads. Every republicans elected official has never worked with any democrat. Add in the corruption of the courts, Fox News, WSJ, twitter, Facebook, NYT, etc and there is no reason support this crap.

It is time to stand up for the majority in this country. So tired of the celebration of the ignorant, uneducated hillbilly class. F you. Throw a wrench in the gears and burn the place down before helping you round up anyone.

^^^a democrat admits that they really don’t care about protecting American citizens and deporting illegal immigrants who commit crimes.

Yeah, we know you don’t care.

DP I am an independent and have been for 30 years. I do not give a sh#t about immigration restrictions. All the immigrants I have met, hired or worked with are hard workers. If I have a choice I always hire them over fat lazy Americans like you.

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Anonymous wrote:Very expensive! I mean, who’s going to mow my lawn, clean our toilets, cook our dinners, and fix things around our house for modern slave wages?

- elitist closet racist libs

I have a lady up the street from me with a Trump sign in her yard who has a lawn crew a bunch of illegal aliens in it. It was very odd watching them do leaf clean-up this fall. I’m looking forward to springtime when no one shows up to do her yard work.

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Anonymous wrote:So it's expensive to send people back to their countries but not expensive to use FEMA money to fly them all over the US after coming here illegally? Can someone explain this to me?

The liberal argument makes no sense. We spend hundreds of millions of dollars flying migrants across the country, housing them, feeding them. A one-way plane ticket back to their country of origin would be much cheaper than all of the costs we are currently paying for migrants. We shouldn’t have to bear the burden of other countries lack of economic development and poor governance. The migrants are not asylum seekers. They are economic migrants. They don’t qualify for asylum, and we can’t take in every poor person in the world hoping for a better life.

dp.. The US doesn't fly every single illegal immigrant around the US. But, MAGA are salivating over deportations of every single illegal immigrant. That would, indeed, be very expensive. Also, these people need to be adjudicated. There is a years long backlog in the immigration courts.

Why do they need to be in the country waiting to be adjudicated? They can wait in their home countries or Mexico for their court date. The wait time is a huge part of the draw of gaming the system. They are just buying time. Then they have babies, create ties to the community and of course by the time their court date rolls around, it would be "inhumane" to their recently born American children for them to be deported. It's such a scam.

The "why" is not the point of my post.

Realistically, the millions of undocumented here who have not committed any other crimes (being undocumented is a misdemeanor) will need to be adjudicated before they can be deported. And considering that there is a years long backlog in judges seeing these cases, this is going to be expensive.

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Anonymous wrote:So it's expensive to send people back to their countries but not expensive to use FEMA money to fly them all over the US after coming here illegally? Can someone explain this to me?

The liberal argument makes no sense. We spend hundreds of millions of dollars flying migrants across the country, housing them, feeding them. A one-way plane ticket back to their country of origin would be much cheaper than all of the costs we are currently paying for migrants. We shouldn’t have to bear the burden of other countries lack of economic development and poor governance. The migrants are not asylum seekers. They are economic migrants. They don’t qualify for asylum, and we can’t take in every poor person in the world hoping for a better life.

dp.. The US doesn't fly every single illegal immigrant around the US. But, MAGA are salivating over deportations of every single illegal immigrant. That would, indeed, be very expensive. Also, these people need to be adjudicated. There is a years long backlog in the immigration courts.

Why do they need to be in the country waiting to be adjudicated? They can wait in their home countries or Mexico for their court date. The wait time is a huge part of the draw of gaming the system. They are just buying time. Then they have babies, create ties to the community and of course by the time their court date rolls around, it would be "inhumane" to their recently born American children for them to be deported. It's such a scam.

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Anonymous wrote:The plan seems to be to start with illegal immigrants that are criminals. Like the illegal immigrant that killed Laken Riley. He had been arrested twice in NY-one time for harming a child under 16- and the federal government paid for a plane ticket for him to go to Georgia, where he murdered Laken.

Those are the illegal immigrants that the new administration is going to deport first. There is absolutely no reason for them to be in the United States, committing crimes. It’s indefensible. And taxpayers paid for his plane ticket to kill that poor young lady. Unbelievable.

+1 Laken innocwently goes for a run with no idea that criminal gang members from Venezuela are living just a few yards away.

I don't think a single person who did not vote for Trump will object to criminals like Laken Riley's killer being deported.

Then why were he, his brother, and fellow gang members allowed to be in this country, despite their arrests, criminal history, and illegal entry?

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Anonymous wrote:The plan seems to be to start with illegal immigrants that are criminals. Like the illegal immigrant that killed Laken Riley. He had been arrested twice in NY-one time for harming a child under 16- and the federal government paid for a plane ticket for him to go to Georgia, where he murdered Laken.

Those are the illegal immigrants that the new administration is going to deport first. There is absolutely no reason for them to be in the United States, committing crimes. It’s indefensible. And taxpayers paid for his plane ticket to kill that poor young lady. Unbelievable.

+1 Laken innocwently goes for a run with no idea that criminal gang members from Venezuela are living just a few yards away.

I don't think a single person who did not vote for Trump will object to criminals like Laken Riley's killer being deported.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...

They come because Republicans keep hiring them.

Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)

All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?

You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US. Trump can do it on Day 1 and should. There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused.

Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?

Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine.

American workers don't want those jobs. Even for $26 an hour. And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry. You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.

then we need to give those foreign fruit pickers status. we cannot have a permanent underclass who live in the shadows, are both exploited and stealing ametican identities /exploiting american citizens. i used to work in a medical clininc in TP MD and so many people were sharing SS#s and scamming medicaid.

There is already a guest worker program for migrant farmworkers. If farms are using undocumented labor, it is because they don’t want to use existing formal channels. We can all speculate as to why.

So it boils down to employers choosing to hire undocumented workers. Want to stop this crap? You find out who's employing them and fine *them*, punish *them*, regulate *them.* Going after the migrants won't work unless there's nothing here for them unless done legally. But Trump/MAGA/any Republican really won't do that because it's too fun to punch down on the "illegals."

Punish both sides. At the same time .

All criminals and fraudsters deported immediately. High priority.

Stop citizenship by birth too. A fruit picker doesn’t need to show up with wives, aunts, children.

OR legitimize and regulate the employment relationship.

Create a guest worker program designed to cover existing employed undocumented workers who are paying taxes and otherwise following the law. Create a curing period where workers and employers can together obtain guest worker status and valid visas in order to remain in their jobs. Employers who continue to employ undocumented workers after the curing period will be fined to help pay for the costs of deporting those workers. Employers who knowingly employ workers (with or without visas) who are violating tax law or committing other crimes are also fined. Guest workers must submit to monitoring and if they don't remain in good standing with regards to taxes and avoiding criminal activity, they are deported.

Use tax apparatus to encourage the employment behaviors we want and discourage those we don't. Use fines and regulation to punish employers who attempt to avoid the program or use it inappropriately to undercut American workers. Crack down on undocumented independent contractors using cash businesses to avoid both legal immigration and paying taxes. Require such workers to apply for valid business licenses on special visas and then make this info easily available to consumers so that it's easy for people to hire documented workers as independent contractors. Fine people who hire undocumented contractors. Use fines to help fund that system that will process and monitor guest workers and conduct deportations when necessary.

This can be a pragmatic, technical resolution that helps everyone. It can have punitive elements (deportation, fines) for negative behaviors but overall it should operate as a carrot instead of a stick. Immigrants who want access to jobs in the US should only be able to get them through legitimate means.

Throwing everyone out makes no sense when such a large portion of undocumented workers are gainfully employed in jobs for which employers desperately need workers and these workers and employers pay taxes and are not otherwise violating the law. If we legitimize these workers and regulate them that will make it easier for us to go after the immigrants who are NOT otherwise complying with the law and the employers who use undocumented workers simply to undercut American workers and avoid taxes.

So basically reward them for breaking the law, incentivize others who are patiently waiting their turn in their home Countries to just cross the border illegally and spit in the faces of those who followed the rules. Why even have laws?

We've had a guest worker program in the past.

Send them back and let them apply for the guest worker program.

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Anonymous wrote:This article outlines the Trump Administration plans for mass deportation. While in part relying on a “remain in Mexico” policy, it also requires the construction of an untold number of new detention facilities.

https://apple.news/Azc_QxwuoTymMEiX8wszEtA

First, this is going to take years to construct, and will line government contractors pockets with the overhead. Second, US citizens will be responsible for housing, food and transportation costs during the time period for adjudication. It seems like this set up is aimed to further privatize the deportation process at an enormous expense to American taxpayers.

Why is this more viable than having immigrants work while awaiting adjudication? Increase tracking capabilities and require employers of immigrants to maintain information on them. It will cost a fraction of the money used to construct and maintain these facilities.

The remain in mexico policy is probably the most important peice of the equation.

They are coming BECAUSE of the catch and release policy we have now.
People will stop coming if we change that policy.

I doubt we are going to have mass deportations. I suspect we will have immigration raids on sweatshops like we did in the old days and a bunch of DCUM liberals seem eager to narc out businesses that employ illegal aliens so they can make the business owners feel the pain of a trump presidency.

But otherwise I doubt we will see anything beyond a stay in mexico policy, a bit more wall for photo ops and immigration raids circa 1980s. It would be nice if we reformed the immigration system while we were at it.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems brought them in and now they're complaining it's too expensive to deport them...

They come because Republicans keep hiring them.

Great. Then you agree:
- enforce the borders, turn away illegals
- stop citizenship by birth
- deport illegal alien criminals and fraudsters, and their children/ families
- tax remittances
- bolster worker visa programs
- require e-verify
- fine employers, deport illegals trying to work
- clear phony asylum book, deport all asylum country shoppers (if you traipsed through 1+ other country, you are a fraud)

All of this sounds fine but why tax remittances? Are you assuming any money remitted was earned by illegal immigrants and therefore never taxed?

You tax remittances to decrease the benefit of being in the US. Trump can do it on Day 1 and should. There should be no rewards for illegally entering the US.

Also, we don't need worker visa programs--those get abused.

Not even seasonal agricultural worker visa programs?

Those are slave labor programs. Government sanctioned, so it's fine.

American workers don't want those jobs. Even for $26 an hour. And those jobs supply us with the majority of our vegetables, fruits, nuts along with being the labor for a lot of our meat industry. You can pontificate while you starve.

I'm as liberal as they come but there's a point where the virtue signaling goes beyond basic human survival needs.

then we need to give those foreign fruit pickers status. we cannot have a permanent underclass who live in the shadows, are both exploited and stealing ametican identities /exploiting american citizens. i used to work in a medical clininc in TP MD and so many people were sharing SS#s and scamming medicaid.

There is already a guest worker program for migrant farmworkers. If farms are using undocumented labor, it is because they don’t want to use existing formal channels. We can all speculate as to why.

So it boils down to employers choosing to hire undocumented workers. Want to stop this crap? You find out who's employing them and fine *them*, punish *them*, regulate *them.* Going after the migrants won't work unless there's nothing here for them unless done legally. But Trump/MAGA/any Republican really won't do that because it's too fun to punch down on the "illegals."

Punish both sides. At the same time .

All criminals and fraudsters deported immediately. High priority.

Stop citizenship by birth too. A fruit picker doesn’t need to show up with wives, aunts, children.

OR legitimize and regulate the employment relationship.

Create a guest worker program designed to cover existing employed undocumented workers who are paying taxes and otherwise following the law. Create a curing period where workers and employers can together obtain guest worker status and valid visas in order to remain in their jobs. Employers who continue to employ undocumented workers after the curing period will be fined to help pay for the costs of deporting those workers. Employers who knowingly employ workers (with or without visas) who are violating tax law or committing other crimes are also fined. Guest workers must submit to monitoring and if they don't remain in good standing with regards to taxes and avoiding criminal activity, they are deported.

Use tax apparatus to encourage the employment behaviors we want and discourage those we don't. Use fines and regulation to punish employers who attempt to avoid the program or use it inappropriately to undercut American workers. Crack down on undocumented independent contractors using cash businesses to avoid both legal immigration and paying taxes. Require such workers to apply for valid business licenses on special visas and then make this info easily available to consumers so that it's easy for people to hire documented workers as independent contractors. Fine people who hire undocumented contractors. Use fines to help fund that system that will process and monitor guest workers and conduct deportations when necessary.

This can be a pragmatic, technical resolution that helps everyone. It can have punitive elements (deportation, fines) for negative behaviors but overall it should operate as a carrot instead of a stick. Immigrants who want access to jobs in the US should only be able to get them through legitimate means.

Throwing everyone out makes no sense when such a large portion of undocumented workers are gainfully employed in jobs for which employers desperately need workers and these workers and employers pay taxes and are not otherwise violating the law. If we legitimize these workers and regulate them that will make it easier for us to go after the immigrants who are NOT otherwise complying with the law and the employers who use undocumented workers simply to undercut American workers and avoid taxes.