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Anonymous wrote:They’re voluntarily terminating the conservatorship. Let’s see where this is in five year. The Tuohy’s will remain successful, Oher will be broke.

How voluntary is something when you have to be sued to do it?

I thought he was suing them for $, not to have the conservatorship removed? It sounds like they haven’t really ever done anything with the conservatorship since he went to college. But I’m sure it will all come out now.

They didn’t really make much money on the actual movie (Hollywood Studio greed), but maybe he is entitled to a percentage of their earnings for things like motivational speaking gigs they got after the movie came out? It’s a big grey area.

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Anonymous wrote:Marty Singer clients: folks like Charlie Sheen (who said MS ensures his clients get a "happy ending"), Bill Cosby, Jim Carrey, and now Lizzo. A lovely bunch. He's known for spin and suppressing unflattering stories. If they have nothing to hide, why hire him? Hmm.

Because he has been the best entertainment litigator in the country for 30 years that’s why. You are mad because they hired the best lawyer?

If they felt they had truth on their side and wanted full transparency, why hire a pittbull lawyer known for exactly the opposite?

Because the legal system sucks and when you have lots of assets you need the best person available to protect them. Because he already threatened them by demanding $15M that he’s not entitled to.

I’m sure you’re fine with a strip mall lawyer for your fender bender.

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Anonymous wrote:Without them he does not go to college. His grades were way too low to meet ncaa standards. He needed miss Sue plus college courses that they paid for. Those college courses got a higher grade because they were college. So an A was not 4.0 it was 4.5 or higher. That is how he made it. Without college there is no nfl.

1. Not every NFL player goes to college. I can think of at least 15 who did not.
2. Some NFL players start off at community college. Aaron Rodgers being the most notable example.
3. Lots of opportunities for poor kids to get free college credits. Unclear that the school didn’t have other tutoring opportunities. I went to an elite private school that had a lot of low income students through a program called Prep for Prep, there’s a lot of resources out there.

The biggest determinant for playing in the NFL is the ability to play football at a high level. I assure you I could pay for your kids to have a Miss Sue and to take a few college courses and they won’t make it to the NFL.

I think that the Touhys did help him pursue one path to getting to the nfl but it came in exchange for him going to a worse football program than he otherwise would have.

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I will take you at your word and 15 people did not go to college and in nfl. That is like 1 percent of those that try for nfl. Good luck with that. Minority kids do not complete community college 60 plus percent of the time. Good luck with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Marty Singer clients: folks like Charlie Sheen (who said MS ensures his clients get a "happy ending"), Bill Cosby, Jim Carrey, and now Lizzo. A lovely bunch. He's known for spin and suppressing unflattering stories. If they have nothing to hide, why hire him? Hmm.

Because he has been the best entertainment litigator in the country for 30 years that’s why. You are mad because they hired the best lawyer?

If they felt they had truth on their side and wanted full transparency, why hire a pittbull lawyer known for exactly the opposite?

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

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Victim of what? His net worth is higher than their bio son. Does he help support SJ? They bailed him out of trouble and got him on a pretty lucrative nfl track, which they got no money from.

People lying to him and manipulating him for decades.

Just stop. This is a grown man. Not some little baby. Time to move on.

He’s a grown man who hired a lawyer.

I guess it has to be said: lying/fraud is not ok.

Even he knows he wasn't lied to.

And that’s a lie. No wonder you are defending these liars.

“ Since at least August of 2004, Conservators have allowed Michael, specifically, and the public, generally, to believe that Conservators adopted Michael and have used that untruth to gain financial advantages for themselves and the foundations which they own or which they exercise control”

Why did Michael write this in his book in 2011:

"It kind of felt like a formality, as I'd been a part of the family for more than a year at that point. Since I was already over the age of eighteen and considered an adult by the state of Tennessee, Sean and Leigh Anne would be named as my 'legal conservators,'" Oher said. "They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. Honestly, I didn't care what it was called. I was just happy that no one could argue that we weren't legally what we already knew was real: We were a family."

He didn't just find out about this. That's the lie.

We don’t know who wrote that. AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

They lied to him. For many years.

It's in HIS book. But keep doubling down.

I take it you’re unfamiliar with celebrity book writing?

AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

Are you suggesting that Oher lied when he listed himself as an author?

So that’s a no. You are NOT familiar with the process.

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ghostwriter/#:~:text=A%20ghostwriter%20is%20hired%20to,t%20be%20credited%20at%20all.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/oct/30/confessions-of-a-ghost-writer-alexandra-heminsley

Hahaha you think that will fly?

That’s just how ghostwriting works.

Anyway, adoption is clearly not the “exact same thing”.

Unfortunately he can’t claim ignorance. His name is on the book.

The book says:
“They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. “

They lied to him and said it was the same thing.

This isn’t hard to understand! He was an 18 year old child who was desperate for a family and they manipulated and lied to him. Just because he used the word conservatorship a decade ago doesn’t mean he is lying. Context is everything.

Maybe he should have read his book at some point.

Umm no that wouldn’t help because he very extremely clearly didn’t understand what it meant. Is there really more than one of you that doesn’t get it?

Why didn't he understand in 2011? What was the great awakening in Feb 2023 ? Why did the light bulb suddenly go on?

Maybe he went to do something but was prevented by the conservatorship. They currently have legal control of him.

They lied to him:
“ They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as ‘adoptive parents,”

They never used that legal control. They never used the conservatorship except with the ncaa.

That’s a point of dispute though. We will see if that’s actually true as the litigation progresses.

First of all it is not a lawsuit. It is a petition asking for to cancel the conservatorship and for an accounting. This is very limited. Most of the questions raised on this board will not be addressed.

We know it is true because Oher has controlled his own life the whole time.

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Anonymous wrote:Without them he does not go to college. His grades were way too low to meet ncaa standards. He needed miss Sue plus college courses that they paid for. Those college courses got a higher grade because they were college. So an A was not 4.0 it was 4.5 or higher. That is how he made it. Without college there is no nfl.

1. Not every NFL player goes to college. I can think of at least 15 who did not.
2. Some NFL players start off at community college. Aaron Rodgers being the most notable example.
3. Lots of opportunities for poor kids to get free college credits. Unclear that the school didn’t have other tutoring opportunities. I went to an elite private school that had a lot of low income students through a program called Prep for Prep, there’s a lot of resources out there.

The biggest determinant for playing in the NFL is the ability to play football at a high level. I assure you I could pay for your kids to have a Miss Sue and to take a few college courses and they won’t make it to the NFL.

I think that the Touhys did help him pursue one path to getting to the nfl but it came in exchange for him going to a worse football program than he otherwise would have.

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Anonymous wrote:They’re voluntarily terminating the conservatorship. Let’s see where this is in five year. The Tuohy’s will remain successful, Oher will be broke.

How voluntary is something when you have to be sued to do it?

I thought he was suing them for $, not to have the conservatorship removed? It sounds like they haven’t really ever done anything with the conservatorship since he went to college. But I’m sure it will all come out now.

They didn’t really make much money on the actual movie (Hollywood Studio greed), but maybe he is entitled to a percentage of their earnings for things like motivational speaking gigs they got after the movie came out? It’s a big grey area.

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

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Victim of what? His net worth is higher than their bio son. Does he help support SJ? They bailed him out of trouble and got him on a pretty lucrative nfl track, which they got no money from.

People lying to him and manipulating him for decades.

Just stop. This is a grown man. Not some little baby. Time to move on.

A grown man who’s $35 million richer thanks to them. Whatever their motives, he benefited too.

Where do you get off saying that his successful nfl career is due to the lying grifters? His being a talented athlete had nothing to do with them. If they hadn’t “adopted “ him he could have gone to a better college. All the grifters did was steer him to their college so they’d look like heroes for the school.

Do you have some fantasy about what life is like as a foster kid? What kind of high school did he attend while in foster care? Did that school even have a college counselor? You sound really naive about the realities that many kids deal with.

This is funny. He attended a school that allowed him to get state championships in football and basketball. He was already applying to the private school the Touhy’s children attended BEFORE he ever met them.

The Touhys saw him as an investment opportunity. Nothing more nothing less.

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

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Victim of what? His net worth is higher than their bio son. Does he help support SJ? They bailed him out of trouble and got him on a pretty lucrative nfl track, which they got no money from.

People lying to him and manipulating him for decades.

Just stop. This is a grown man. Not some little baby. Time to move on.

A grown man who’s $35 million richer thanks to them. Whatever their motives, he benefited too.

Where do you get off saying that his successful nfl career is due to the lying grifters? His being a talented athlete had nothing to do with them. If they hadn’t “adopted “ him he could have gone to a better college. All the grifters did was steer him to their college so they’d look like heroes for the school.

Do you have some fantasy about what life is like as a foster kid? What kind of high school did he attend while in foster care? Did that school even have a college counselor? You sound really naive about the realities that many kids deal with.

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

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Victim of what? His net worth is higher than their bio son. Does he help support SJ? They bailed him out of trouble and got him on a pretty lucrative nfl track, which they got no money from.

People lying to him and manipulating him for decades.

Just stop. This is a grown man. Not some little baby. Time to move on.

A grown man who’s $35 million richer thanks to them. Whatever their motives, he benefited too.

Where do you get off saying that his successful nfl career is due to the lying grifters? His being a talented athlete had nothing to do with them. If they hadn’t “adopted “ him he could have gone to a better college. All the grifters did was steer him to their college so they’d look like heroes for the school.

He was having trouble with his GPA to be eligible to play in the NCAA. They set him up on a course to succeed (tutoring, online school etc) while feeding, supporting, and putting a roof over his head. He had the talent, but was going to miss an opportunity without someone guiding him.

This is so common. He didn’t need them to do this. More savior bs. Schools deal with this all the time and find ways to get the gpa where it needs to be.

Ok, so why did he take the help? It was forced on him?

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Because he was a vulnerable foster child who was desperate for a stable family. All of your responses are classic gaslighting and it’s gross.

And he got that, for a time. We don't know why it all went south.

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Anonymous wrote:They’re voluntarily terminating the conservatorship. Let’s see where this is in five year. The Tuohy’s will remain successful, Oher will be broke.

How voluntary is something when you have to be sued to do it?

Anonymous wrote:Without them he does not go to college. His grades were way too low to meet ncaa standards. He needed miss Sue plus college courses that they paid for. Those college courses got a higher grade because they were college. So an A was not 4.0 it was 4.5 or higher. That is how he made it. Without college there is no nfl.

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Anonymous wrote:Marty Singer clients: folks like Charlie Sheen (who said MS ensures his clients get a "happy ending"), Bill Cosby, Jim Carrey, and now Lizzo. A lovely bunch. He's known for spin and suppressing unflattering stories. If they have nothing to hide, why hire him? Hmm.

Why are you so threatened by this lawyer?
Scares his clients will prevail ?

DP. You must not be a lawyer. Them prevailing wouldn’t even mean that what Michael is saying is necessarily untrue.

Michael wants money. Not to clear the air.

Ok and the Touhy’s wanted fame, not to adopt a kid.

Ok. So what? Nobody is losing sleep over this.

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

+1

Victim of what? His net worth is higher than their bio son. Does he help support SJ? They bailed him out of trouble and got him on a pretty lucrative nfl track, which they got no money from.

People lying to him and manipulating him for decades.

Just stop. This is a grown man. Not some little baby. Time to move on.

A grown man who’s $35 million richer thanks to them. Whatever their motives, he benefited too.

Where do you get off saying that his successful nfl career is due to the lying grifters? His being a talented athlete had nothing to do with them. If they hadn’t “adopted “ him he could have gone to a better college. All the grifters did was steer him to their college so they’d look like heroes for the school.

He was having trouble with his GPA to be eligible to play in the NCAA. They set him up on a course to succeed (tutoring, online school etc) while feeding, supporting, and putting a roof over his head. He had the talent, but was going to miss an opportunity without someone guiding him.

This is so common. He didn’t need them to do this. More savior bs. Schools deal with this all the time and find ways to get the gpa where it needs to be.

Ok, so why did he take the help? It was forced on him?

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Because he was a vulnerable foster child who was desperate for a stable family. All of your responses are classic gaslighting and it’s gross.