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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Neely's death is absolutely the result of liberal democrat progressive criminal justice reform policies that repeatedly let violent criminals walk the street after being arrested over and over or and over..

Didn't it start when Reagan and the republicans started closing a majority of the mental health facilities to save money back in the 80s?

It wasn't to save money, it was because of the really really terrible conditions at the institutions.

Unholy alliance between people (generally on the right) who wanted to save money and people (generally on the left/ACLU) who opposed involuntary confinement. Nobody is free of blame.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Neely's death is absolutely the result of liberal democrat progressive criminal justice reform policies that repeatedly let violent criminals walk the street after being arrested over and over or and over..

Didn't it start when Reagan and the republicans started closing a majority of the mental health facilities to save money back in the 80s?

It wasn't to save money, it was because of the really really terrible conditions at the institutions.

It’s the same as with public housing and hope vi. Progressives say “these large institutions stink. Let’s close them and spend the money on more modern, decentralized facilities.” Republicans then say “closing them sounds great. As for funding the new stuff, well, we wouldn’t want to cut into our corporate and high income tax breaks so we’ll have to see what’s left over for that.” The advantage of big institutions is that they are hard assets, the major cost of which has already been incurred. Things like section 8 and decentralized treatment facilities need annual appropriations which the R’s just won’t support. So we take away a crappy solution and then fail to fund any real alternatives. The halfway house Neeley was provided was obviously insufficient for his needs. Those sort of facilities are good for someone who is already better and just needs a suppprtive environment as part of a transition back into society.

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Anonymous wrote:Neely's death is absolutely the result of liberal democrat progressive criminal justice reform policies that repeatedly let violent criminals walk the street after being arrested over and over or and over..

Didn't it start when Reagan and the republicans started closing a majority of the mental health facilities to save money back in the 80s?

No, the law was changed during Clinton's administration. We had a mentally ill family member, and we no longer were able to keep her in a mental hospital after the changes.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait why are we not victims? Oppressed, marginalized, assaulted and worse. Underpaid, undervalued. Quit minimizing our concerns.

Sorry, if you are posting here, your life is nowhere near as hard as a homeless, mentally ill, orphaned Black man.

He had treatment and housing options that he refused. He was no victim. His hardships were his own choice.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait why are we not victims? Oppressed, marginalized, assaulted and worse. Underpaid, undervalued. Quit minimizing our concerns.

Sorry, if you are posting here, your life is nowhere near as hard as a homeless, mentally ill, orphaned Black man.

This isn’t the misery and oppression Olympics. Neely doesn’t get a medal for his oppression, his story was always going to end in death and tragedy. I do not deserve to be subjected to assault,harassment and physical harm by deranged men on the subway just because I’m sympathetic they were born black and poor. NO!!!!

Come again? You don't seem sympathetic at all.

OF COURSE I am sympathetic. But I will not put myself or my children in danger to bear the burdens of the system that supposedly failed them and aided and abetted me as a wealthy white woman. Not sorry about that!! I will never be.

Uh huh.

You cannot fault him for trying g to subdue this man. Tragically, Neely had become a menace and a threat. Don’t tell me Toure and all his commenters on Insta wouldn’t have done the same in the heat of the moment to protect their children!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Neely's death is absolutely the result of liberal democrat progressive criminal justice reform policies that repeatedly let violent criminals walk the street after being arrested over and over or and over..

Didn't it start when Reagan and the republicans started closing a majority of the mental health facilities to save money back in the 80s?

Even if that's accurate, it doesn't matter, because Neely had just been sentenced to 15 months in a treatment facility for breaking that woman's nose last fall. He walked out after 13 days. So the facilities were available to him and he chose not to use them. That's the underlying issue with many of the homeless population that I don't know how to address it. When DC cleared out their encampments the other month, the government spent weeks sending someone there every day to offer services and something like only a third of the people accepted the services.

I don't support what the man did because it was clear he should have released Neely sooner, but I don't fault him for trying to subdue Neely in the first place.

To your question, the threshold for involuntary commitment and treatment needs to be lowered.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Neely's death is absolutely the result of liberal democrat progressive criminal justice reform policies that repeatedly let violent criminals walk the street after being arrested over and over or and over..

Didn't it start when Reagan and the republicans started closing a majority of the mental health facilities to save money back in the 80s?

Even if that's accurate, it doesn't matter, because Neely had just been sentenced to 15 months in a treatment facility for breaking that woman's nose last fall. He walked out after 13 days. So the facilities were available to him and he chose not to use them. That's the underlying issue with many of the homeless population that I don't know how to address it. When DC cleared out their encampments the other month, the government spent weeks sending someone there every day to offer services and something like only a third of the people accepted the services.

I don't support what the man did because it was clear he should have released Neely sooner, but I don't fault him for trying to subdue Neely in the first place.

And as the PP said, it's the "liberals" fault, correct?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Neely's death is absolutely the result of liberal democrat progressive criminal justice reform policies that repeatedly let violent criminals walk the street after being arrested over and over or and over..

Didn't it start when Reagan and the republicans started closing a majority of the mental health facilities to save money back in the 80s?

It wasn't to save money, it was because of the really really terrible conditions at the institutions.

So instead of making the institutions better by perhaps training the employees and passing patient laws, they just closed them and never reopened them or built any new ones. Right.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Neely's death is absolutely the result of liberal democrat progressive criminal justice reform policies that repeatedly let violent criminals walk the street after being arrested over and over or and over..

Didn't it start when Reagan and the republicans started closing a majority of the mental health facilities to save money back in the 80s?

Even if that's accurate, it doesn't matter, because Neely had just been sentenced to 15 months in a treatment facility for breaking that woman's nose last fall. He walked out after 13 days. So the facilities were available to him and he chose not to use them. That's the underlying issue with many of the homeless population that I don't know how to address it. When DC cleared out their encampments the other month, the government spent weeks sending someone there every day to offer services and something like only a third of the people accepted the services.

I don't support what the man did because it was clear he should have released Neely sooner, but I don't fault him for trying to subdue Neely in the first place.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Neely's death is absolutely the result of liberal democrat progressive criminal justice reform policies that repeatedly let violent criminals walk the street after being arrested over and over or and over..

Didn't it start when Reagan and the republicans started closing a majority of the mental health facilities to save money back in the 80s?

I think worse drugs are widely available now. PCP, crack, K2. Even widespread availability of marijuana now can contribute to psychosis.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Neely's death is absolutely the result of liberal democrat progressive criminal justice reform policies that repeatedly let violent criminals walk the street after being arrested over and over or and over..

Didn't it start when Reagan and the republicans started closing a majority of the mental health facilities to save money back in the 80s?

It wasn't to save money, it was because of the really really terrible conditions at the institutions.

The alternative was always going to be homelessness. Their families don’t want them and they are unable to fend for themselves

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Neely's death is absolutely the result of liberal democrat progressive criminal justice reform policies that repeatedly let violent criminals walk the street after being arrested over and over or and over..

Didn't it start when Reagan and the republicans started closing a majority of the mental health facilities to save money back in the 80s?

It wasn't to save money, it was because of the really really terrible conditions at the institutions.

Anonymous wrote:Neely's death is absolutely the result of liberal democrat progressive criminal justice reform policies that repeatedly let violent criminals walk the street after being arrested over and over or and over..

Didn't it start when Reagan and the republicans started closing a majority of the mental health facilities to save money back in the 80s?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait why are we not victims? Oppressed, marginalized, assaulted and worse. Underpaid, undervalued. Quit minimizing our concerns.

Sorry, if you are posting here, your life is nowhere near as hard as a homeless, mentally ill, orphaned Black man.

This isn’t the misery and oppression Olympics. Neely doesn’t get a medal for his oppression, his story was always going to end in death and tragedy. I do not deserve to be subjected to assault,harassment and physical harm by deranged men on the subway just because I’m sympathetic they were born black and poor. NO!!!!

Come again? You don't seem sympathetic at all.

OF COURSE I am sympathetic. But I will not put myself or my children in danger to bear the burdens of the system that supposedly failed them and aided and abetted me as a wealthy white woman. Not sorry about that!! I will never be.