Anonymous
Post 01/11/2023 07:24     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The truth is, a lot of people *don’t* understand the calories in foods and how that relates to their own energy needs. I’m not talking about posters on this thread, just the general population. And then there are people that do understand, but have excessive hunger or other reasons for overeating.


I don’t disagree that a lot of people don’t have a good grasp, but I don’t think it’s relevant to our current obesity situation. As a population we understand our energy needs better than ever before in human history and yet we are the fattest we’ve ever been. Most people understood nothing about calories in foods and their energy needs even 50 years ago, and they still were much less fat. The average person knew much much less about calories and energy expenditure and didn’t have the luxury of the information at their fingertips the way we do. People, for the most part, ate according to their hunger and that was enough for 90% of people’s weight to remain relatively stable for their whole life. Why they were able to do that and the people of today are not is something we don’t fully understand.


I think this is a good question. On the one hand, you could say people before had more wholesome, less processed food, almost all cooked at home. Obviously the food scene has changed nowadays, people are busier and more stressed, more dual working parents, less home cooking, etc. However, was the food they ate back then really any healthier? I grew up in the 70s-80s on white bread sandwiches, hot dogs, spaghettios, kraft mac n cheese, lucky charms, etc. There was less variety, no fancy salads at restaurants, no healthy ethnic cuisines, no air fryers, no berries at the store in winter, etc. Nowadays, there are so many options to eat better. People have more choices than ever before. But maybe too much choice is overwhelming and there are so many fad diets and mixed messaging, the end result is people instinctually eat what tastes good and is easy. Which is often unhealthy junk food, fast food, etc. It's possible to eat much better these days, but you have to make more effort to choose the right things.

Food was so much less industrialized fifty years ago and the soil was so much less depleted. Just on soil depletion alone, food is far less nutritious than it was decades ago. The green revolution can grow calories, but they become less healthy as time goes on. This isn’t junk science, this is fact. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/soil-depletion-and-nutrition-loss/

Nutrient deprived bodies are starved bodies.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2023 07:14     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The truth is, a lot of people *don’t* understand the calories in foods and how that relates to their own energy needs. I’m not talking about posters on this thread, just the general population. And then there are people that do understand, but have excessive hunger or other reasons for overeating.


I don’t disagree that a lot of people don’t have a good grasp, but I don’t think it’s relevant to our current obesity situation. As a population we understand our energy needs better than ever before in human history and yet we are the fattest we’ve ever been. Most people understood nothing about calories in foods and their energy needs even 50 years ago, and they still were much less fat. The average person knew much much less about calories and energy expenditure and didn’t have the luxury of the information at their fingertips the way we do. People, for the most part, ate according to their hunger and that was enough for 90% of people’s weight to remain relatively stable for their whole life. Why they were able to do that and the people of today are not is something we don’t fully understand.


I think this is a good question. On the one hand, you could say people before had more wholesome, less processed food, almost all cooked at home. Obviously the food scene has changed nowadays, people are busier and more stressed, more dual working parents, less home cooking, etc. However, was the food they ate back then really any healthier? I grew up in the 70s-80s on white bread sandwiches, hot dogs, spaghettios, kraft mac n cheese, lucky charms, etc. There was less variety, no fancy salads at restaurants, no healthy ethnic cuisines, no air fryers, no berries at the store in winter, etc. Nowadays, there are so many options to eat better. People have more choices than ever before. But maybe too much choice is overwhelming and there are so many fad diets and mixed messaging, the end result is people instinctually eat what tastes good and is easy. Which is often unhealthy junk food, fast food, etc. It's possible to eat much better these days, but you have to make more effort to choose the right things.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2023 07:03     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:With all due respect, I do not believe most women want to reveal having been a target sexual assault. Unlike men, women tend to self-harm to express rage. Men tend to lash out. The causes and consequences of rage are endless. Overeating is only of the common consequences, especially for women.


But men are also obese.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2023 07:02     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:
Imagine if we had primarily actual food, instead of all the toxic, addictive pesticide and chemical-laden processed garbage to eat. It’s hardly food anymore.



Stores sell junk food because people buy it. If people weren't buying Doritos, coke, cookies, etc then it would go away. The problem is that food is cheaper and tastes good (to those who eat it), while buying fresh fruits and veggies is more expensive and takes more preparation.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2023 03:02     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
With all due respect, I do not believe most women want to reveal having been a target sexual assault. Unlike men, women tend to self-harm to express rage. Men tend to lash out. The causes and consequences of rage are endless. Overeating is only of the common consequences, especially for women.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2023 02:37     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:PBS used to constantly have on a very popular psychologist who once said he could not look at an obese woman without knowing she had been sexually violated. I think there’s *some* truth to that. The excess fat is to (subconsciously) build a wall in effort to protect herself. The overeating is an effort to numb the pain of raw emotional trauma.


There is a shockingly high correlation between the super morbidly obese and childhood sexual abuse, but the numbers aren’t as strongly correlated for overweight and obese women.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2023 02:35     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's only good for weight loss while you're taking it. As soon as you stop taking it, the weight comes right back.

Bingo!


That’s why it’s a lifelong treatment for obesity just like it’s a lifelong treatment for diabetes. The people who actually need it for weight loss understand this, or at least they should.



Yeah, that’s not a problem at all. I understand the assignment.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2023 02:32     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
PBS used to constantly have on a very popular psychologist who once said he could not look at an obese woman without knowing she had been sexually violated. I think there’s *some* truth to that. The excess fat is to (subconsciously) build a wall in effort to protect herself. The overeating is an effort to numb the pain of raw emotional trauma.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2023 02:19     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Imagine if we had primarily actual food, instead of all the toxic, addictive pesticide and chemical-laden processed garbage to eat. It’s hardly food anymore.




I have to warn you that what you just posted is contrary to the conclusion of self proclaimed "experts" on this thread.


I agree with the PP re the need for actual food and I also think the “it’s just willpower” and “just eat less and move more” people in this thread are, to be blunt, idiots.


There was a nasty old hen posting on here a few days ago that was basically trolling and egging people on. IIRC she got triggered over seemingly everything and she would say crazy things like skinny people are jealous of fat people and you are dumb, blah blah blah.


Bless. You are perhaps the crazy one, dear old sport. I’ve read the whole thread, and that description doesn’t match any sort of actual reality outside of your head. We can all read words on the previous pages, you know. They aren’t invisible. You’re also obviously just kind of gratuitously nasty, which means I can’t take you remotely seriously.

But I do agree with the other PP that the lack of real food is a problem.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2023 02:12     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Imagine if we had primarily actual food, instead of all the toxic, addictive pesticide and chemical-laden processed garbage to eat. It’s hardly food anymore.




I have to warn you that what you just posted is contrary to the conclusion of self proclaimed "experts" on this thread.


I agree with the PP re the need for actual food and I also think the “it’s just willpower” and “just eat less and move more” people in this thread are, to be blunt, idiots.


There was a nasty old hen posting on here a few days ago that was basically trolling and egging people on. IIRC she got triggered over seemingly everything and she would say crazy things like skinny people are jealous of fat people and you are dumb, blah blah blah.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2023 01:59     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Imagine if we had primarily actual food, instead of all the toxic, addictive pesticide and chemical-laden processed garbage to eat. It’s hardly food anymore.




I have to warn you that what you just posted is contrary to the conclusion of self proclaimed "experts" on this thread.


I agree with the PP re the need for actual food and I also think the “it’s just willpower” and “just eat less and move more” people in this thread are, to be blunt, idiots.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2023 01:47     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:
Imagine if we had primarily actual food, instead of all the toxic, addictive pesticide and chemical-laden processed garbage to eat. It’s hardly food anymore.




I have to warn you that what you just posted is contrary to the conclusion of self proclaimed "experts" on this thread.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2023 01:36     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:
Imagine if we had primarily actual food, instead of all the toxic, addictive pesticide and chemical-laden processed garbage to eat. It’s hardly food anymore.



We also have to try to stop the bacterial mass slaughter we’ve put into place in our guts. Millions of years of human evolution and in 70 years we have killed off beneficial bacteria that isn’t even found any more across most populations (and it correlates to population obesity). It is a massive health problem.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2023 01:33     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?

Imagine if we had primarily actual food, instead of all the toxic, addictive pesticide and chemical-laden processed garbage to eat. It’s hardly food anymore.

Anonymous
Post 01/11/2023 01:16     Subject: Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's only good for weight loss while you're taking it. As soon as you stop taking it, the weight comes right back.

Bingo!


That’s why it’s a lifelong treatment for obesity just like it’s a lifelong treatment for diabetes. The people who actually need it for weight loss understand this, or at least they should.