Anonymous
01/27/2022 13:20
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are talking about all sport like lacrosse or crew or field hockey, these recruits statistically will presumptively be successful in their chosen careers.
I’m not but what does this have to do with anything?
This. Assuming a solid GPA, external pursuits (sports, music, arts) that demand a lot of time, energy and some degree of achievement offers insight into that person’s work ethic and ability to power through…. Especially useful in covid. This is the kid I’d hire.
PP And even more so if the activity was not an individualistic sport but rather a team sport/activity in which an individual works hard and each member must be aware of and support the whole, which is the team I require.
Anonymous
01/27/2022 13:17
Subject: Re:Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are talking about all sport like lacrosse or crew or field hockey, these recruits statistically will presumptively be successful in their chosen careers.
I’m not but what does this have to do with anything?
This. Assuming a solid GPA, external pursuits (sports, music, arts) that demand a lot of time, energy and some degree of achievement offers insight into that person’s work ethic and ability to power through…. Especially useful in covid. This is the kid I’d hire.
Anonymous
01/27/2022 13:09
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
He won’t feel that way when he’s in school. We openly discourage our kids from being student athletes. DH and I were both professors at a university with great athletes. My athlete students were terrible. They missed too much due to sports schedules. It was a waste! So few go on to make any money as pros. They waste their time on sports instead of what matters - an education!
Anonymous
01/27/2022 12:58
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Exactly—playing team sports prepares you for the real world and weeds out snowflake tendencies.
if that's true, then the admissions hook should be given to anyone who plays team sports and not just those who are good at them. it's the participation that matters.
Actually the reason athletes get a hook is not because of what they learned on the field, though that is valuable, Just like arts/music/theater provide value.
The reason they were given a hook is because research showed that students who only had good grades did not perform as well in college as athletes/artist/actors (minus the top 20% of the class)
The hook admissions started because schools ran into a problem with graduation rate and job placement when top students who were never anything but the top of their class end up at the bottom 3/4. Athletes/artist did not have this issue in the study so they decided to take athletes and artists to resolve this issue.
Share the research.
give her a minute while she pulls it out of her . . .
Anonymous
01/27/2022 12:53
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Exactly—playing team sports prepares you for the real world and weeds out snowflake tendencies.
if that's true, then the admissions hook should be given to anyone who plays team sports and not just those who are good at them. it's the participation that matters.
Actually the reason athletes get a hook is not because of what they learned on the field, though that is valuable, Just like arts/music/theater provide value.
The reason they were given a hook is because research showed that students who only had good grades did not perform as well in college as athletes/artist/actors (minus the top 20% of the class)
The hook admissions started because schools ran into a problem with graduation rate and job placement when top students who were never anything but the top of their class end up at the bottom 3/4. Athletes/artist did not have this issue in the study so they decided to take athletes and artists to resolve this issue.
Share the research.
Anonymous
01/27/2022 12:50
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Exactly—playing team sports prepares you for the real world and weeds out snowflake tendencies.
if that's true, then the admissions hook should be given to anyone who plays team sports and not just those who are good at them. it's the participation that matters.
Actually the reason athletes get a hook is not because of what they learned on the field, though that is valuable, Just like arts/music/theater provide value.
The reason they were given a hook is because research showed that students who only had good grades did not perform as well in college as athletes/artist/actors (minus the top 20% of the class)
The hook admissions started because schools ran into a problem with graduation rate and job placement when top students who were never anything but the top of their class end up at the bottom 3/4. Athletes/artist did not have this issue in the study so they decided to take athletes and artists to resolve this issue.
Anonymous
01/27/2022 12:47
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Exactly—playing team sports prepares you for the real world and weeds out snowflake tendencies.
if that's true, then the admissions hook should be given to anyone who plays team sports and not just those who are good at them. it's the participation that matters.
Participation is not it. It is the commitment. And by commitment, I mean the vastly increased hours, management, effort and focus that an elite athlete that plays on a high level select team puts in over an athlete that plays in a rec league. There is simply no comparison and college admissions recognize this.
On that same high level select team are athletes who put in the same hours, management, effort and focus, they just aren't as good. Those kids are learning the exact same lessons and no one is bending admissions criteria for them. Why not? If the reason to recruit athletes is because they (and only they) are learning these lessons, then your actual ability shouldn't matter.
"hours, management, effort and focus" and your 'commitment' are all tied to participation, not skill.
Anonymous
01/27/2022 12:44
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Exactly—playing team sports prepares you for the real world and weeds out snowflake tendencies.
if that's true, then the admissions hook should be given to anyone who plays team sports and not just those who are good at them. it's the participation that matters.
Participation is not it. It is the commitment. And by commitment, I mean the vastly increased hours, management, effort and focus that an elite athlete that plays on a high level select team puts in over an athlete that plays in a rec league. There is simply no comparison and college admissions recognize this.
Anonymous
01/27/2022 12:39
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Well, playing at a high level, like the D1 level, probably prepares you even more.
Anonymous
01/27/2022 12:33
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Well, playing at a high level, like the D1 level, probably prepares you even more.
Anonymous
01/27/2022 12:04
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Exactly—playing team sports prepares you for the real world and weeds out snowflake tendencies.
if that's true, then the admissions hook should be given to anyone who plays team sports and not just those who are good at them. it's the participation that matters.
Anonymous
01/27/2022 12:01
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Exactly—playing team sports prepares you for the real world and weeds out snowflake tendencies.
Well that’s one of the excuses given. There is no justification for the superior treatment athletes get in college admissions. It’s done only for money and yo appease the alums who played sports. The non money making sports had to be included after Title IX. I think it all should be abolished. The football players at my Division III Slac we’re terrible students and lent a toxic environment to the campus. Fortunately their fest was shut down after some young athlete men got killed during rush.
Anonymous
01/27/2022 11:58
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:4 kids, all DI athletes at top academic schools, including an Ivy. They all earned it on the field and in the classroom. And the 2 who have graduated are killing it professionally—the fact that they played a team sport and learned how to sublimate the personal and instead focus on the team goals/results has only accelerated their professional success.
Do you think this can only be learned through sports?
yes - they do. they look down on everything else.
And their definition of 'earned' in the classroom is undoubtedly expansive for their own kids
Anonymous
01/27/2022 11:57
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Anonymous wrote:4 kids, all DI athletes at top academic schools, including an Ivy. They all earned it on the field and in the classroom. And the 2 who have graduated are killing it professionally—the fact that they played a team sport and learned how to sublimate the personal and instead focus on the team goals/results has only accelerated their professional success.
Do you think this can only be learned through sports?
Anonymous
01/27/2022 10:45
Subject: Athletes have such an edge
Exactly—playing team sports prepares you for the real world and weeds out snowflake tendencies.