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Anonymous wrote:And I like how on Reddit, they have a sub specifically made to address the lawsuit, and includes a little fun like this.

The conversation is just so different. You have people discussing legal angles, but there is also some fun, and no one person posting minute after minute, hour after hour, day after day, week after week in support of BL.

I’m seeing support on both sides, but none of this counter everything pro JB stuff.

I must say that I find that it all gets discussed on Reddit, in a way that’s not to acerbic but that nails points from both sides, and people don’t take themselves nearly as seriously.

Not sure why certain people decided to dominate this thread to become a Law 101 endeavor. But Reddit definitely does it better!


We just received a message from the moderator who loves the discourse. Likewise, the site users are praising the moderator for a job well done on moderating.

Refreshing.

I also participate in that subreddit, but I want to note that the recent post by the moderator actually details the considerable moderation they do to address things like the following:
- Delete comments accusing other posters of being PR bots or "BL shills" for posting comments that defend Lively or agree with her legal arguments
- Delete comments that include name calling and personal attacks

So if you enjoy that sub, I might take note of these things and not engage in them on this thread, if you want this thread to be a fun place too.

You’re the problem with this thread. They probably kicked you off of Reddit, or claim that you are the one who they suspect is a pr plant.

You’ve been attacking anyone and everyone on this thread for over 400 pages when we assert a pro JB opinion.

You need your own legal blog where you can discuss your theorems and hunches freely and repeatedly, your lane of legal purity that just doesn’t exist on a pop and entertainment forum.

Go quickly and beg Jeff to create a legal thread just for you. It will make so many of us happy, and maybe, just maybe, I’ll stop talking about the fact that is that BL looked portly in that movie, with all of those patterns and boots!!

What's interesting is that I participate in that subreddit and not only have never been kicked off the sub, none of my comments have ever been deleted or censured. This is despite the fact that I definitely post from a pro-BL standpoint and that sub is overwhelmingly supportive of JB. I do post on legal issues on that sub, and generally my contributions are appreciated because even though I approach it from the perspective of someone who thinks Lively is more in the right in this case, my comments are based in knowledge of the law and a close reading of the court documents.

People do sometimes take issue with my comments on that sub, but are able to do so politely. I also think Reddit just has an edge over this website in this respect, because you can reply directly to comments and have a side conversation with one commenter if you wish, and it doesn't negatively impact the flow of the conversation. Here, there are no ways to do that and it can make it challenging both to read the conversation and to dive deeper into a topic.

In any case, I will continue to post here about the legal cases that are the entire premise of this thread, thanks. If YOU would like a thread dedicated to calling Blake Lively fat or discussing her behavior in 20 year old interviews, I would encourage you to start one! It appears there are several of you who are annoyed that conversation here tends to focus on the lawsuits between Lively, Baldoni, and the NYT (check the title of the thread, this is on topic) and would prefer to talk about how much you hate Blake Lively and how unattractive she is. Perhaps you should take that conversation somewhere else.

DP

The legal stuff is interesting- thanks

Non lawyer

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Anonymous wrote:And I like how on Reddit, they have a sub specifically made to address the lawsuit, and includes a little fun like this.

The conversation is just so different. You have people discussing legal angles, but there is also some fun, and no one person posting minute after minute, hour after hour, day after day, week after week in support of BL.

I’m seeing support on both sides, but none of this counter everything pro JB stuff.

I must say that I find that it all gets discussed on Reddit, in a way that’s not to acerbic but that nails points from both sides, and people don’t take themselves nearly as seriously.

Not sure why certain people decided to dominate this thread to become a Law 101 endeavor. But Reddit definitely does it better!


We just received a message from the moderator who loves the discourse. Likewise, the site users are praising the moderator for a job well done on moderating.

Refreshing.

I also participate in that subreddit, but I want to note that the recent post by the moderator actually details the considerable moderation they do to address things like the following:
- Delete comments accusing other posters of being PR bots or "BL shills" for posting comments that defend Lively or agree with her legal arguments
- Delete comments that include name calling and personal attacks

So if you enjoy that sub, I might take note of these things and not engage in them on this thread, if you want this thread to be a fun place too.

You’re the problem with this thread. They probably kicked you off of Reddit, or claim that you are the one who they suspect is a pr plant.

You’ve been attacking anyone and everyone on this thread for over 400 pages when we assert a pro JB opinion.

You need your own legal blog where you can discuss your theorems and hunches freely and repeatedly, your lane of legal purity that just doesn’t exist on a pop and entertainment forum.

Go quickly and beg Jeff to create a legal thread just for you. It will make so many of us happy, and maybe, just maybe, I’ll stop talking about the fact that is that BL looked portly in that movie, with all of those patterns and boots!!

What's interesting is that I participate in that subreddit and not only have never been kicked off the sub, none of my comments have ever been deleted or censured. This is despite the fact that I definitely post from a pro-BL standpoint and that sub is overwhelmingly supportive of JB. I do post on legal issues on that sub, and generally my contributions are appreciated because even though I approach it from the perspective of someone who thinks Lively is more in the right in this case, my comments are based in knowledge of the law and a close reading of the court documents.

People do sometimes take issue with my comments on that sub, but are able to do so politely. I also think Reddit just has an edge over this website in this respect, because you can reply directly to comments and have a side conversation with one commenter if you wish, and it doesn't negatively impact the flow of the conversation. Here, there are no ways to do that and it can make it challenging both to read the conversation and to dive deeper into a topic.

In any case, I will continue to post here about the legal cases that are the entire premise of this thread, thanks. If YOU would like a thread dedicated to calling Blake Lively fat or discussing her behavior in 20 year old interviews, I would encourage you to start one! It appears there are several of you who are annoyed that conversation here tends to focus on the lawsuits between Lively, Baldoni, and the NYT (check the title of the thread, this is on topic) and would prefer to talk about how much you hate Blake Lively and how unattractive she is. Perhaps you should take that conversation somewhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:And I like how on Reddit, they have a sub specifically made to address the lawsuit, and includes a little fun like this.

The conversation is just so different. You have people discussing legal angles, but there is also some fun, and no one person posting minute after minute, hour after hour, day after day, week after week in support of BL.

I’m seeing support on both sides, but none of this counter everything pro JB stuff.

I must say that I find that it all gets discussed on Reddit, in a way that’s not to acerbic but that nails points from both sides, and people don’t take themselves nearly as seriously.

Not sure why certain people decided to dominate this thread to become a Law 101 endeavor. But Reddit definitely does it better!


We just received a message from the moderator who loves the discourse. Likewise, the site users are praising the moderator for a job well done on moderating.

Refreshing.

I also participate in that subreddit, but I want to note that the recent post by the moderator actually details the considerable moderation they do to address things like the following:
- Delete comments accusing other posters of being PR bots or "BL shills" for posting comments that defend Lively or agree with her legal arguments
- Delete comments that include name calling and personal attacks

So if you enjoy that sub, I might take note of these things and not engage in them on this thread, if you want this thread to be a fun place too.

You’re the problem with this thread. They probably kicked you off of Reddit, or claim that you are the one who they suspect is a pr plant.

You’ve been attacking anyone and everyone on this thread for over 400 pages when we assert a pro JB opinion.

You need your own legal blog where you can discuss your theorems and hunches freely and repeatedly, your lane of legal purity that just doesn’t exist on a pop and entertainment forum.

Go quickly and beg Jeff to create a legal thread just for you. It will make so many of us happy, and maybe, just maybe, I’ll stop talking about the fact that is that BL looked portly in that movie, with all of those patterns and boots!!

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Anonymous wrote:And I like how on Reddit, they have a sub specifically made to address the lawsuit, and includes a little fun like this.

The conversation is just so different. You have people discussing legal angles, but there is also some fun, and no one person posting minute after minute, hour after hour, day after day, week after week in support of BL.

I’m seeing support on both sides, but none of this counter everything pro JB stuff.

I must say that I find that it all gets discussed on Reddit, in a way that’s not to acerbic but that nails points from both sides, and people don’t take themselves nearly as seriously.

Not sure why certain people decided to dominate this thread to become a Law 101 endeavor. But Reddit definitely does it better!


We just received a message from the moderator who loves the discourse. Likewise, the site users are praising the moderator for a job well done on moderating.

Refreshing.

I also participate in that subreddit, but I want to note that the recent post by the moderator actually details the considerable moderation they do to address things like the following:
- Delete comments accusing other posters of being PR bots or "BL shills" for posting comments that defend Lively or agree with her legal arguments
- Delete comments that include name calling and personal attacks

So if you enjoy that sub, I might take note of these things and not engage in them on this thread, if you want this thread to be a fun place too.

You’re the problem with this thread. They probably kicked you off of Reddit, or claim that you are the one who they suspect is a pr plant.

You’ve been attacking anyone and everyone on this thread for over 400 pages when we assert a pro JB opinion.

You need your own legal blog where you can discuss your theorems and hunches freely and repeatedly, your lane of legal purity that just doesn’t exist on a pop and entertainment forum.

Go quickly and beg Jeff to create a legal thread just for you. It will make so many of us happy, and maybe, just maybe, I’ll stop talking about the fact that is that BL looked portly in that movie, with all of those patterns and boots!!

Again, I am not the person you are responding to directly here, but this is a ridiculous personal attack that is not welcome here. I disagree heartily not only with the personal attack itself, but also with the substance — I for one enjoy what his poster contributes and I want to read it. You have listed another website you enjoy — why not spend your time posting your droll insults about how fat Lively is there if that’s really what you want? In any case, I implore you, please cut this out.

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Anonymous wrote:And I like how on Reddit, they have a sub specifically made to address the lawsuit, and includes a little fun like this.

The conversation is just so different. You have people discussing legal angles, but there is also some fun, and no one person posting minute after minute, hour after hour, day after day, week after week in support of BL.

I’m seeing support on both sides, but none of this counter everything pro JB stuff.

I must say that I find that it all gets discussed on Reddit, in a way that’s not to acerbic but that nails points from both sides, and people don’t take themselves nearly as seriously.

Not sure why certain people decided to dominate this thread to become a Law 101 endeavor. But Reddit definitely does it better!


We just received a message from the moderator who loves the discourse. Likewise, the site users are praising the moderator for a job well done on moderating.

Refreshing.

I also participate in that subreddit, but I want to note that the recent post by the moderator actually details the considerable moderation they do to address things like the following:
- Delete comments accusing other posters of being PR bots or "BL shills" for posting comments that defend Lively or agree with her legal arguments
- Delete comments that include name calling and personal attacks

So if you enjoy that sub, I might take note of these things and not engage in them on this thread, if you want this thread to be a fun place too.

You’re the problem with this thread. They probably kicked you off of Reddit, or claim that you are the one who they suspect is a pr plant.

You’ve been attacking anyone and everyone on this thread for over 400 pages when we assert a pro JB opinion.

You need your own legal blog where you can discuss your theorems and hunches freely and repeatedly, your lane of legal purity that just doesn’t exist on a pop and entertainment forum.

Go quickly and beg Jeff to create a legal thread just for you. It will make so many of us happy, and maybe, just maybe, I’ll stop talking about the fact that is that BL looked portly in that movie, with all of those patterns and boots!!

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Anonymous wrote:Not linking to that giant comment, but the movie made over $350 million dollars! Everyone should be paying Blake Lively to help with the wardrobe on their movies going forward! Most movies like this are lucky to make $50 million, and $100 million would have been a huge success! The wardrobe stuff obviously created buzz that translated into ticket sales.

I’m just noting that the mean moms calling Lively fat are hypocrites, which I’m allowed to do, just like you’re allowed to focus on the parts of this saga that are boring to me. To each her own.

But it’s disingenuous to say Blake lively made the movie $350 million. She clearly contributed to that, but the movie was coming in with a huge fan base. Colleen Hoover is one of the best selling authors to ever exist in the world. Of the top 20 best sellers in the last year, 8 of those are Colleen Hoover books. That is pretty unprecedented and IEWU is one of her most popular and it has a sequel so people were really excited for this franchise.

Absolutely agree that she contributed to why this movie did so well I’m not trying to take away from that, but what annoys me about this is Justin and his team had been working on this since 2019. They fought for the rights, They secured financing, they hired a screenwriter to adapt the book for the screen and got Colleen Hoover’s approval on that. They set up a whole world which took years of work and Blake stepped in and wanted to make some changes and call it her movie.

Also, with a movie with so many built-in fans, she didn’t treat them very respectfully. She constantly had her lawyer threaten her walking away from the movie which she could’ve easily done since she never signed her contract. That would have caused the production company millions and no doubt tank this movie and it would likely not have been made for many years. The utter disrespect and just overall gall is absurd.

I don’t totally disagree with some of what you say but to pretend this is about her disrespect of HIM after surprisingly trying to have her naked for the delivery scene and mansplaining to her (mother of 4) what a “normal woman” looked like in childbirth is a little much for me. The problems started with him.

Nobody mansplained anything to her. They were trying to direct a scene in the movie about a woman giving birth. They actually were not trying to coach Blake through her fourth birth.

If what you described is mansplaining, any female who has ever given birth in real life and gave birth in a movie, or has ever become a mom in real life and plays a mom in a movie, has been mansplained by a director. Let’s not act like all women are so fragile they can’t actually play a character.

Blake alleges that Baldoni said it was "not normal" for women to remain in a hospital gown while giving birth. This is both (1) wrong) and (2) mansplaining. He wasn't saying that he believed this particular character would be nude during childbirth (something that based on my understanding of the character, I also think is wrong -- she'd 100% be wearing a hospital gown), he was saying that women in general don't wear hospital gowns while giving birth. And he was basing this on his narrow experience of watching his own wife give birth, not on having done any research into common practices of women in childbirth. If he had done literally ANY research on the subject, like say talk to an L&D nurse in the same kind of hospital the character is supposed to be giving birth in, he would discover that it's incredibly normal for women to wear hospital gowns during birth. So, this is actually classic mansplaining.

Likewise, Heath is alleged to said, after Lively declined to watch the video of his wife's birth and asked him if his wife had given permission for him to show it, that his wife "isn't weird about this stuff." The "stuff" he's referring to is childbirth. The implication is that Lively was "weird" for not wanting to watch the birth video of another woman.

Also, Heath showed Lively the video AFTER they'd filmed the birth scene, and there is no indication that they had plans to re-shoot it. So it had nothing to do with directing her or telling her what they wanted in the birth scene. He just really wanted to show Lively a video of his wife giving birth for some reason.

Anyway, this is all classic mansplaining, a couple of men assuming a level of knowledge and expertise about a subject that the woman they are talking to actually has more firsthand experience with, and then lecturing her about it.

The problem is mansplaining is not harassment. Blake’s harassment claims seem like a reach at best, which is why so many people have reacted so strongly about this case. She comes off like a Karen. Only her worldview matters and if someone should dare make her uncomfortable by “gasp” mansplaining or talking to the dead they should be ruined. It’s honestly a bit much.

Thank you!

It reads like they disagreed about how to portray a birth scene. Regardless of who you feel is correct, disagreeing is not sexual harassment.

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Anonymous wrote:Not linking to that giant comment, but the movie made over $350 million dollars! Everyone should be paying Blake Lively to help with the wardrobe on their movies going forward! Most movies like this are lucky to make $50 million, and $100 million would have been a huge success! The wardrobe stuff obviously created buzz that translated into ticket sales.

I’m just noting that the mean moms calling Lively fat are hypocrites, which I’m allowed to do, just like you’re allowed to focus on the parts of this saga that are boring to me. To each her own.

But it’s disingenuous to say Blake lively made the movie $350 million. She clearly contributed to that, but the movie was coming in with a huge fan base. Colleen Hoover is one of the best selling authors to ever exist in the world. Of the top 20 best sellers in the last year, 8 of those are Colleen Hoover books. That is pretty unprecedented and IEWU is one of her most popular and it has a sequel so people were really excited for this franchise.

Absolutely agree that she contributed to why this movie did so well I’m not trying to take away from that, but what annoys me about this is Justin and his team had been working on this since 2019. They fought for the rights, They secured financing, they hired a screenwriter to adapt the book for the screen and got Colleen Hoover’s approval on that. They set up a whole world which took years of work and Blake stepped in and wanted to make some changes and call it her movie.

Also, with a movie with so many built-in fans, she didn’t treat them very respectfully. She constantly had her lawyer threaten her walking away from the movie which she could’ve easily done since she never signed her contract. That would have caused the production company millions and no doubt tank this movie and it would likely not have been made for many years. The utter disrespect and just overall gall is absurd.

I don’t totally disagree with some of what you say but to pretend this is about her disrespect of HIM after surprisingly trying to have her naked for the delivery scene and mansplaining to her (mother of 4) what a “normal woman” looked like in childbirth is a little much for me. The problems started with him.

Nobody mansplained anything to her. They were trying to direct a scene in the movie about a woman giving birth. They actually were not trying to coach Blake through her fourth birth.

If what you described is mansplaining, any female who has ever given birth in real life and gave birth in a movie, or has ever become a mom in real life and plays a mom in a movie, has been mansplained by a director. Let’s not act like all women are so fragile they can’t actually play a character.

Blake alleges that Baldoni said it was "not normal" for women to remain in a hospital gown while giving birth. This is both (1) wrong) and (2) mansplaining. He wasn't saying that he believed this particular character would be nude during childbirth (something that based on my understanding of the character, I also think is wrong -- she'd 100% be wearing a hospital gown), he was saying that women in general don't wear hospital gowns while giving birth. And he was basing this on his narrow experience of watching his own wife give birth, not on having done any research into common practices of women in childbirth. If he had done literally ANY research on the subject, like say talk to an L&D nurse in the same kind of hospital the character is supposed to be giving birth in, he would discover that it's incredibly normal for women to wear hospital gowns during birth. So, this is actually classic mansplaining.

Likewise, Heath is alleged to said, after Lively declined to watch the video of his wife's birth and asked him if his wife had given permission for him to show it, that his wife "isn't weird about this stuff." The "stuff" he's referring to is childbirth. The implication is that Lively was "weird" for not wanting to watch the birth video of another woman.

Also, Heath showed Lively the video AFTER they'd filmed the birth scene, and there is no indication that they had plans to re-shoot it. So it had nothing to do with directing her or telling her what they wanted in the birth scene. He just really wanted to show Lively a video of his wife giving birth for some reason.

Anyway, this is all classic mansplaining, a couple of men assuming a level of knowledge and expertise about a subject that the woman they are talking to actually has more firsthand experience with, and then lecturing her about it.

I’m PP who originally called it mansplaining in a comment above this and totally agree with this, and wanted to thank you for taking the time to explain this so well. This is an excellent rebuttal to the constant refrain here that anything a male director says can’t be mansplaining. Thank you!!!

You are welcome.

I also want to point out that if this movie had come out and Lively had been totally nude during the childbirth scene filmed in a hospital setting where she is in a hospital bed with legs in stirrups and with a male OB delivering, the mostly female audience (especially those of us who have had kids before) would have been like WTF. There are women who might be nude during a hospital birth, especially if working with an OB/midwife or at a hospital that facilitates water birth. The less medicalized the birth is, the more likely the woman might be to be nude. But this particular character had a pretty standard hospital birth. Her partner was a surgeon, not a crunchy Californian working in the arts. In that setting, it would be unusual for the mom to go without the gown.

If the scene had shown a woman totally nude with exposed breasts, I personally would have found it bizarrely gratuitous (even if they didn't actually show her breasts and shot around it) and out of character. I think Lively was right to fight for her character to be more covered up, as it's likely a lot more true to the character and the situation, and it strikes me as bizarre that Baldoni and Heath seemed to be using their wives' experiences as a guideline for the scene, when the character was such a different person and in a much different relationship and headspace than presumably their wives were when they gave birth. I'm pretty sure the water birth video Heath wanted to show Lively was of a home water birth? That just has nothing to do with the characters and relationship being portrayed in the movie.

I think when they get to depositions or if it goes to trial, this is going to become more obvious to people. If Baldoni and Heath really want to sit there and explain that they thought it was important for this character in this movie to be nude during childbirth, they can go ahead, but the women on the jury are going to be like "wut." It makes no sense.

We really don’t know if this nude hospital birth scene allegation is true. Like Steve Sorowitz supposedly being on the set that day, so much of what Blake has said has been shown to be a lie, exaggeration or out of context.

Baldoni admits to there being a debate about whether or not Blake should be nude in the birth scene in his own timeline. He also admits that he asked Heath to go show Lively the birth video the day after they filmed the birth scene. This is in his own timeline.

I had never read the timeline but I had a feeling this wasn’t true, so I just took a look (10 mins of my life I’ll never get back lol). The timeline says no such thing. It addresses Blake’s claims about being nude during the birth scene and Sorowitz being on set, both of which Baldoni disputes. He shows text messages following the scene wrapping later that day where he tells Blake she did an amazing job, she thanks him and apologizes for being a ball buster. The next thing in the timeline is the lunch discussion where he asked Heath to show his wife’s birthing video. At this point the birth scene was already over, there’s no indication that anyone was planning a reshoot, Blake never watches the whole video and no one ever raises it again.

From the timeline (this took me 20 seconds with control F, by the way):

May 23, 2023: During lunch, as part of a continued creative discussion that Baldoni and Lively were having about the hospital birthing scene, Baldoni asked Heath to show Lively his wife’s post-home-birth video, stating to Heath that Lively had not seen one and was presumably interested in watching. Baldoni himself had seen the video prior and felt it was demonstrative of the spirit of his vision for the birthing scene. Heath agreed to share this deeply personal video and approached Lively with the video in hand. He proceeded to show her one second of it before Lively asked if Heath had permission to share the video, to which Heath confirmed that he did.

The bolded show that Baldoni admits to there being disagreement over the birth scene and that he was advocating for the scene to look more like Heath's video, which features a woman with no clothes on giving birth in a tub.

I just want to take a moment to point out that according to Baldoni's own timeline, his "vision for the birthing scene" in a movie that is about a woman who decides to leave her abusive partner when she gives birth to a daughter and realizes she does not want the cycle of violence to continue with her child, was to base it on the birth video of his close friends.

Like just stop and think about that for a few minutes.

You’re so damaged. The obsession with the birth scene, which never points to anyone’s issues but your own.

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Anonymous wrote:And I like how on Reddit, they have a sub specifically made to address the lawsuit, and includes a little fun like this.

The conversation is just so different. You have people discussing legal angles, but there is also some fun, and no one person posting minute after minute, hour after hour, day after day, week after week in support of BL.

I’m seeing support on both sides, but none of this counter everything pro JB stuff.

I must say that I find that it all gets discussed on Reddit, in a way that’s not to acerbic but that nails points from both sides, and people don’t take themselves nearly as seriously.

Not sure why certain people decided to dominate this thread to become a Law 101 endeavor. But Reddit definitely does it better!


We just received a message from the moderator who loves the discourse. Likewise, the site users are praising the moderator for a job well done on moderating.

Refreshing.

Then go hang out on Reddit.

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Anonymous wrote:Not linking to that giant comment, but the movie made over $350 million dollars! Everyone should be paying Blake Lively to help with the wardrobe on their movies going forward! Most movies like this are lucky to make $50 million, and $100 million would have been a huge success! The wardrobe stuff obviously created buzz that translated into ticket sales.

I’m just noting that the mean moms calling Lively fat are hypocrites, which I’m allowed to do, just like you’re allowed to focus on the parts of this saga that are boring to me. To each her own.

But it’s disingenuous to say Blake lively made the movie $350 million. She clearly contributed to that, but the movie was coming in with a huge fan base. Colleen Hoover is one of the best selling authors to ever exist in the world. Of the top 20 best sellers in the last year, 8 of those are Colleen Hoover books. That is pretty unprecedented and IEWU is one of her most popular and it has a sequel so people were really excited for this franchise.

Absolutely agree that she contributed to why this movie did so well I’m not trying to take away from that, but what annoys me about this is Justin and his team had been working on this since 2019. They fought for the rights, They secured financing, they hired a screenwriter to adapt the book for the screen and got Colleen Hoover’s approval on that. They set up a whole world which took years of work and Blake stepped in and wanted to make some changes and call it her movie.

Also, with a movie with so many built-in fans, she didn’t treat them very respectfully. She constantly had her lawyer threaten her walking away from the movie which she could’ve easily done since she never signed her contract. That would have caused the production company millions and no doubt tank this movie and it would likely not have been made for many years. The utter disrespect and just overall gall is absurd.

I don’t totally disagree with some of what you say but to pretend this is about her disrespect of HIM after surprisingly trying to have her naked for the delivery scene and mansplaining to her (mother of 4) what a “normal woman” looked like in childbirth is a little much for me. The problems started with him.

Nobody mansplained anything to her. They were trying to direct a scene in the movie about a woman giving birth. They actually were not trying to coach Blake through her fourth birth.

If what you described is mansplaining, any female who has ever given birth in real life and gave birth in a movie, or has ever become a mom in real life and plays a mom in a movie, has been mansplained by a director. Let’s not act like all women are so fragile they can’t actually play a character.

Blake alleges that Baldoni said it was "not normal" for women to remain in a hospital gown while giving birth. This is both (1) wrong) and (2) mansplaining. He wasn't saying that he believed this particular character would be nude during childbirth (something that based on my understanding of the character, I also think is wrong -- she'd 100% be wearing a hospital gown), he was saying that women in general don't wear hospital gowns while giving birth. And he was basing this on his narrow experience of watching his own wife give birth, not on having done any research into common practices of women in childbirth. If he had done literally ANY research on the subject, like say talk to an L&D nurse in the same kind of hospital the character is supposed to be giving birth in, he would discover that it's incredibly normal for women to wear hospital gowns during birth. So, this is actually classic mansplaining.

Likewise, Heath is alleged to said, after Lively declined to watch the video of his wife's birth and asked him if his wife had given permission for him to show it, that his wife "isn't weird about this stuff." The "stuff" he's referring to is childbirth. The implication is that Lively was "weird" for not wanting to watch the birth video of another woman.

Also, Heath showed Lively the video AFTER they'd filmed the birth scene, and there is no indication that they had plans to re-shoot it. So it had nothing to do with directing her or telling her what they wanted in the birth scene. He just really wanted to show Lively a video of his wife giving birth for some reason.

Anyway, this is all classic mansplaining, a couple of men assuming a level of knowledge and expertise about a subject that the woman they are talking to actually has more firsthand experience with, and then lecturing her about it.

I’m PP who originally called it mansplaining in a comment above this and totally agree with this, and wanted to thank you for taking the time to explain this so well. This is an excellent rebuttal to the constant refrain here that anything a male director says can’t be mansplaining. Thank you!!!

You are welcome.

I also want to point out that if this movie had come out and Lively had been totally nude during the childbirth scene filmed in a hospital setting where she is in a hospital bed with legs in stirrups and with a male OB delivering, the mostly female audience (especially those of us who have had kids before) would have been like WTF. There are women who might be nude during a hospital birth, especially if working with an OB/midwife or at a hospital that facilitates water birth. The less medicalized the birth is, the more likely the woman might be to be nude. But this particular character had a pretty standard hospital birth. Her partner was a surgeon, not a crunchy Californian working in the arts. In that setting, it would be unusual for the mom to go without the gown.

If the scene had shown a woman totally nude with exposed breasts, I personally would have found it bizarrely gratuitous (even if they didn't actually show her breasts and shot around it) and out of character. I think Lively was right to fight for her character to be more covered up, as it's likely a lot more true to the character and the situation, and it strikes me as bizarre that Baldoni and Heath seemed to be using their wives' experiences as a guideline for the scene, when the character was such a different person and in a much different relationship and headspace than presumably their wives were when they gave birth. I'm pretty sure the water birth video Heath wanted to show Lively was of a home water birth? That just has nothing to do with the characters and relationship being portrayed in the movie.

I think when they get to depositions or if it goes to trial, this is going to become more obvious to people. If Baldoni and Heath really want to sit there and explain that they thought it was important for this character in this movie to be nude during childbirth, they can go ahead, but the women on the jury are going to be like "wut." It makes no sense.

We really don’t know if this nude hospital birth scene allegation is true. Like Steve Sorowitz supposedly being on the set that day, so much of what Blake has said has been shown to be a lie, exaggeration or out of context.

Baldoni admits to there being a debate about whether or not Blake should be nude in the birth scene in his own timeline. He also admits that he asked Heath to go show Lively the birth video the day after they filmed the birth scene. This is in his own timeline.

I had never read the timeline but I had a feeling this wasn’t true, so I just took a look (10 mins of my life I’ll never get back lol). The timeline says no such thing. It addresses Blake’s claims about being nude during the birth scene and Sorowitz being on set, both of which Baldoni disputes. He shows text messages following the scene wrapping later that day where he tells Blake she did an amazing job, she thanks him and apologizes for being a ball buster. The next thing in the timeline is the lunch discussion where he asked Heath to show his wife’s birthing video. At this point the birth scene was already over, there’s no indication that anyone was planning a reshoot, Blake never watches the whole video and no one ever raises it again.

From the timeline (this took me 20 seconds with control F, by the way):

May 23, 2023: During lunch, as part of a continued creative discussion that Baldoni and Lively were having about the hospital birthing scene, Baldoni asked Heath to show Lively his wife’s post-home-birth video, stating to Heath that Lively had not seen one and was presumably interested in watching. Baldoni himself had seen the video prior and felt it was demonstrative of the spirit of his vision for the birthing scene. Heath agreed to share this deeply personal video and approached Lively with the video in hand. He proceeded to show her one second of it before Lively asked if Heath had permission to share the video, to which Heath confirmed that he did.

The bolded show that Baldoni admits to there being disagreement over the birth scene and that he was advocating for the scene to look more like Heath's video, which features a woman with no clothes on giving birth in a tub.

I just want to take a moment to point out that according to Baldoni's own timeline, his "vision for the birthing scene" in a movie that is about a woman who decides to leave her abusive partner when she gives birth to a daughter and realizes she does not want the cycle of violence to continue with her child, was to base it on the birth video of his close friends.

Like just stop and think about that for a few minutes.

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Anonymous wrote:And I like how on Reddit, they have a sub specifically made to address the lawsuit, and includes a little fun like this.

The conversation is just so different. You have people discussing legal angles, but there is also some fun, and no one person posting minute after minute, hour after hour, day after day, week after week in support of BL.

I’m seeing support on both sides, but none of this counter everything pro JB stuff.

I must say that I find that it all gets discussed on Reddit, in a way that’s not to acerbic but that nails points from both sides, and people don’t take themselves nearly as seriously.

Not sure why certain people decided to dominate this thread to become a Law 101 endeavor. But Reddit definitely does it better!


We just received a message from the moderator who loves the discourse. Likewise, the site users are praising the moderator for a job well done on moderating.

Refreshing.

I also participate in that subreddit, but I want to note that the recent post by the moderator actually details the considerable moderation they do to address things like the following:
- Delete comments accusing other posters of being PR bots or "BL shills" for posting comments that defend Lively or agree with her legal arguments
- Delete comments that include name calling and personal attacks

So if you enjoy that sub, I might take note of these things and not engage in them on this thread, if you want this thread to be a fun place too.

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Anonymous wrote:I love this!

https://www.reddit.com/r/ItEndsWithLawsuits/comments/1jcw3ua/blake_getting_shade_from_america_ferrera/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Yeah, a 20 year old video of America Ferrera rolling her eyes about the plot of Gossip Girl sure is relevant here.

Absolutely relevant. BL was insufferable 20 years ago and it looks like it hasn’t changed.

A page ago, someone was saying "mansplaining isn't harassment" even though actually, yes, mansplaining can be harassment if it's part of a "severe and pervasive" culture.

Yet here, we've got a video of Lively kind of babbling incoherently about what plot developments may or may not be upcoming on the show Gossip Girl, and her costar in the movie they are promoting rolling her eyes because the subject was stupid and Lively was responding badly. Okay. What about Lively's behavior here relates to ANYTHING that Baldoni or Wayfarer are alleging regarding this movie? Are they alleging that she talks too much? Is that an actionable tort? Are they alleging that she spent a lot of time during promotion of IEWU discussing the plot of Gossip Girl? That would be problematic but I don't think it happened.

It is not actually illegal to be "insufferable." And if your point is that Lively is insufferable and has been for 20 years, then the next question is why on earth they cast her in this movie if they knew exactly what kind of personality they were getting. It's like casting Ben Affleck in a movie and then later suing him because he often arrived to set with a hangdog expression, carrying some Dunkin' Donuts. That's not illegal! It's a known feature of his personality. Take it or leave it.

My point is that you are deranged and insufferable, just like BL. Big side eye roll to you also. You become so unhinged when anything is introduced that counters your BL narrative. Do you eat? What about take a potty break? Because you are at this site 24/7. It’s like you are BL, but without 4 young kids.

This is an Entertainment and Pop Culture site, not a legal thread for you to practice all of your legal theorems, fantasies, and mock legal court at 24/7. Other people have differing perspectives and do not want 400+ pages on crap that’s mainly a rehash of your legal theories daily.


I mean no new news have been posted by the courts today, yet you seem to be aiming for rehashing old details, over and over again, just to put more pro BL stuff on this thread.

It’s nauseating and an abuse of forum decorum.

Anonymous wrote:At least the moderator on Reddit actually frowns upon commenters like you so that it’s a community of opinions, and not one dominated opinion throughout. I have asked Jeff to lock this thread a few times. He chooses not to do it. So we all suffer from your opinion every second of the day. Luckily there are other more balanced threads out there and for this lawsuit, there is Reddit!!!

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Anonymous wrote:I love this!

https://www.reddit.com/r/ItEndsWithLawsuits/comments/1jcw3ua/blake_getting_shade_from_america_ferrera/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Yeah, a 20 year old video of America Ferrera rolling her eyes about the plot of Gossip Girl sure is relevant here.

Absolutely relevant. BL was insufferable 20 years ago and it looks like it hasn’t changed.

A page ago, someone was saying "mansplaining isn't harassment" even though actually, yes, mansplaining can be harassment if it's part of a "severe and pervasive" culture.

Yet here, we've got a video of Lively kind of babbling incoherently about what plot developments may or may not be upcoming on the show Gossip Girl, and her costar in the movie they are promoting rolling her eyes because the subject was stupid and Lively was responding badly. Okay. What about Lively's behavior here relates to ANYTHING that Baldoni or Wayfarer are alleging regarding this movie? Are they alleging that she talks too much? Is that an actionable tort? Are they alleging that she spent a lot of time during promotion of IEWU discussing the plot of Gossip Girl? That would be problematic but I don't think it happened.

It is not actually illegal to be "insufferable." And if your point is that Lively is insufferable and has been for 20 years, then the next question is why on earth they cast her in this movie if they knew exactly what kind of personality they were getting. It's like casting Ben Affleck in a movie and then later suing him because he often arrived to set with a hangdog expression, carrying some Dunkin' Donuts. That's not illegal! It's a known feature of his personality. Take it or leave it.

My point is that you are deranged and insufferable, just like BL. Big side eye roll to you also. You become so unhinged when anything is introduced that counters your BL narrative. Do you eat? What about take a potty break? Because you are at this site 24/7. It’s like you are BL, but without 4 young kids.

This is an Entertainment and Pop Culture site, not a legal thread for you to practice all of your legal theorems, fantasies, and mock legal court at 24/7. Other people have differing perspectives and do not want 400+ pages on crap that’s mainly a rehash of your legal theories daily.


I mean no new news have been posted by the courts today, yet you seem to be aiming for rehashing old details, over and over again, just to put more pro BL stuff on this thread.

It’s nauseating and an abuse of forum decorum.