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Many MCPS high schools have club crew teams - Whitman, WJ, BCC, Blair - it is the only way for a high school to have a crew team. There are other club sports set up the same way at MCPS high schools - ice hockey and volleyball, for example. My understanding is that while these clubs get no funding from MCPS and have parent boards, they are still school “clubs” in the same way that robotics, debate, etc are and are only open to students at the specific high school. Versus private soccer and lacrosse clubs, for example.
True they are all club sports. However, Whitman HS treated rowing more like a varsity sport than a club when it came to facilities. Where the other schools mentioned have no access to school facilities and had to rent workout space, Whitman HS allowed their kids to train during the winter on campus.
BCC’s winter workouts have been at their feeder mcps middle school, Westland, for the past 2 years. Wilson does some winter workouts at Wilson. Again, so much misinformation on this thread.
Without realizing it, you proved their point that Whitman got special treatment beyond what other MCPS clubs get. B-CC having to rent (pay) for space in another school is hardly the same as being able to workout at Whitman for free. Wilson is a school sponsored and regulated sport in DCPS so it's hardly a surprise they can use the school facilities. Whitman received special status among clubs, which is what MCPS what trying to separate itself from after the WJ trainer incident a few years ago.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry, just realized I posted the same link twice. The 2nd should be: https://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2018/education/division-ii/title-6/subtitle-1/section-6-113.1/
I don't blame principals who make a report to central office about suspected wrongdoing by a teacher, but the teacher gets to stay in the system anyway. I do blame principals who welcome back teachers who have committed an offense, even if it's not yet sexual or physical. All principals should insist that mcps require more than the minimal re-training a teacher has to do now in order to get to come back. It's no more than a few videos, and there's no required follow ups! The principal at my school had a teacher put on leave so they could look into wrongdoing he had reported himself, and the principal made it clear to MCPS that no matter what the official findings were, there was no way in hell that teacher was coming back to his school or having access to his students. He made it clear that he would make a huge stink if MCPS tried to put this person back in his building. He couldn't get the man fired, he doesn't have the power to do that, but he provided all the necessary information to central office and did everything in his power to keep him away from students. I respect him for that. Too many administrators just go along to get along and don't ask questions.
One issue in MCPS is how they treat Child Abuse and Neglect reports. MCPS knee jerk reaction is to protect the staff member so as an institution, they aren’t sued. If CPS and the police can not prove child abuse/sexual abuse occurred, MCPS does not remove predators demonstrating grooming behaviors. Even after the first initial complaints, predators are kept in the classroom till the arrest is made.
One issue is that the General Counsel Office in MCPS advises MCPS and Board on these types of cases. The Board does not independently review information and they will support whatever MCPS and the General Counsel advises. There is no independent review that looks at cases on behalf of protecting students and firing staff that demonstrates grooming behavior. The result is that MCPS becomes a magnet for child predators who are employed by MCPS for decades.
The only way to protect students is to enforce the Code of Conduct. Firing offenders will send a message that MCPS is no longer a haven that gives predators unlimited access to children.
This! All of this! I work in the system and principals go along to get along. It's the rare principal who, at minimum, says, "you may be letting him stay, but there is no way he's coming back to my building." Every teacher in the building can know a guy is creepy and has no boundaries, but unless central office investigators decide whatever the person did is a fireable offense, which generally only happens in cases where CPS and/or the police choose to investigate, the teacher gets a meaningless written slap on the wrist, and then is either returned to their own school or, if their grooming behavior involves a current student, placed in another school. They also don't need to do anything more than watch a few videos. It's voila, everyone just goes back to business as usual. Until more principals stop and question this process and push back against central office edicts, or alternatively, an independent investigator gets involved and starts doing more reviews, we will see exactly what we are seeing now - which is predator educators who teach and also maybe coach for years until they do something that gets them arrested.
What do teachers do when they know an employee is doing things that might not be a crime but definitely violates the Employee Code of Conduct? Do you report it? Would multiple reports by MCPS staff carry any weight particularly if it corroborates a complaint from a student? Is there a record kept of complaints and offenses?
Examples: teacher/coach is alone in a classroom with a student and door closed, teacher/coach texts students instead of using MCPS email, teacher/coach gives a student a gift (worth about $50 so not a trinket), teacher/coach has students at his house, elementary teacher has students sit on his lap during story time, etc.
We are mandated reporters. We make a report. It is supposed to get followed up on, but who knows. The bigger issue is that when MCPS chooses not to do a real investigation because the police isn't involved, that means they don't talk to other teachers at the school who might know something more, no matter how subtle. In sum, those smaller concerns would paint a bigger picture. We all have seen teachers returned to our building after some kind of vague "paid administrative leave," and we know they're sketchy, and we've probably told our principal that too, and yet no one ever asks us anything more. It lowers morale when these people come back thinking they're untouchable.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry, just realized I posted the same link twice. The 2nd should be: https://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2018/education/division-ii/title-6/subtitle-1/section-6-113.1/
I don't blame principals who make a report to central office about suspected wrongdoing by a teacher, but the teacher gets to stay in the system anyway. I do blame principals who welcome back teachers who have committed an offense, even if it's not yet sexual or physical. All principals should insist that mcps require more than the minimal re-training a teacher has to do now in order to get to come back. It's no more than a few videos, and there's no required follow ups! The principal at my school had a teacher put on leave so they could look into wrongdoing he had reported himself, and the principal made it clear to MCPS that no matter what the official findings were, there was no way in hell that teacher was coming back to his school or having access to his students. He made it clear that he would make a huge stink if MCPS tried to put this person back in his building. He couldn't get the man fired, he doesn't have the power to do that, but he provided all the necessary information to central office and did everything in his power to keep him away from students. I respect him for that. Too many administrators just go along to get along and don't ask questions.
One issue in MCPS is how they treat Child Abuse and Neglect reports. MCPS knee jerk reaction is to protect the staff member so as an institution, they aren’t sued. If CPS and the police can not prove child abuse/sexual abuse occurred, MCPS does not remove predators demonstrating grooming behaviors. Even after the first initial complaints, predators are kept in the classroom till the arrest is made.
One issue is that the General Counsel Office in MCPS advises MCPS and Board on these types of cases. The Board does not independently review information and they will support whatever MCPS and the General Counsel advises. There is no independent review that looks at cases on behalf of protecting students and firing staff that demonstrates grooming behavior. The result is that MCPS becomes a magnet for child predators who are employed by MCPS for decades.
The only way to protect students is to enforce the Code of Conduct. Firing offenders will send a message that MCPS is no longer a haven that gives predators unlimited access to children.
This! All of this! I work in the system and principals go along to get along. It's the rare principal who, at minimum, says, "you may be letting him stay, but there is no way he's coming back to my building." Every teacher in the building can know a guy is creepy and has no boundaries, but unless central office investigators decide whatever the person did is a fireable offense, which generally only happens in cases where CPS and/or the police choose to investigate, the teacher gets a meaningless written slap on the wrist, and then is either returned to their own school or, if their grooming behavior involves a current student, placed in another school. They also don't need to do anything more than watch a few videos. It's voila, everyone just goes back to business as usual. Until more principals stop and question this process and push back against central office edicts, or alternatively, an independent investigator gets involved and starts doing more reviews, we will see exactly what we are seeing now - which is predator educators who teach and also maybe coach for years until they do something that gets them arrested.
What do teachers do when they know an employee is doing things that might not be a crime but definitely violates the Employee Code of Conduct? Do you report it? Would multiple reports by MCPS staff carry any weight particularly if it corroborates a complaint from a student? Is there a record kept of complaints and offenses?
Examples: teacher/coach is alone in a classroom with a student and door closed, teacher/coach texts students instead of using MCPS email, teacher/coach gives a student a gift (worth about $50 so not a trinket), teacher/coach has students at his house, elementary teacher has students sit on his lap during story time, etc.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Many MCPS high schools have club crew teams - Whitman, WJ, BCC, Blair - it is the only way for a high school to have a crew team. There are other club sports set up the same way at MCPS high schools - ice hockey and volleyball, for example. My understanding is that while these clubs get no funding from MCPS and have parent boards, they are still school “clubs” in the same way that robotics, debate, etc are and are only open to students at the specific high school. Versus private soccer and lacrosse clubs, for example.
True they are all club sports. However, Whitman HS treated rowing more like a varsity sport than a club when it came to facilities. Where the other schools mentioned have no access to school facilities and had to rent workout space, Whitman HS allowed their kids to train during the winter on campus.
BCC’s winter workouts have been at their feeder mcps middle school, Westland, for the past 2 years. Wilson does some winter workouts at Wilson. Again, so much misinformation on this thread.
Wilson fortunately has female coaches for the girls. Not sure about BCC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Many MCPS high schools have club crew teams - Whitman, WJ, BCC, Blair - it is the only way for a high school to have a crew team. There are other club sports set up the same way at MCPS high schools - ice hockey and volleyball, for example. My understanding is that while these clubs get no funding from MCPS and have parent boards, they are still school “clubs” in the same way that robotics, debate, etc are and are only open to students at the specific high school. Versus private soccer and lacrosse clubs, for example.
True they are all club sports. However, Whitman HS treated rowing more like a varsity sport than a club when it came to facilities. Where the other schools mentioned have no access to school facilities and had to rent workout space, Whitman HS allowed their kids to train during the winter on campus.
BCC’s winter workouts have been at their feeder mcps middle school, Westland, for the past 2 years. Wilson does some winter workouts at Wilson. Again, so much misinformation on this thread.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry, just realized I posted the same link twice. The 2nd should be: https://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2018/education/division-ii/title-6/subtitle-1/section-6-113.1/
I don't blame principals who make a report to central office about suspected wrongdoing by a teacher, but the teacher gets to stay in the system anyway. I do blame principals who welcome back teachers who have committed an offense, even if it's not yet sexual or physical. All principals should insist that mcps require more than the minimal re-training a teacher has to do now in order to get to come back. It's no more than a few videos, and there's no required follow ups! The principal at my school had a teacher put on leave so they could look into wrongdoing he had reported himself, and the principal made it clear to MCPS that no matter what the official findings were, there was no way in hell that teacher was coming back to his school or having access to his students. He made it clear that he would make a huge stink if MCPS tried to put this person back in his building. He couldn't get the man fired, he doesn't have the power to do that, but he provided all the necessary information to central office and did everything in his power to keep him away from students. I respect him for that. Too many administrators just go along to get along and don't ask questions.
One issue in MCPS is how they treat Child Abuse and Neglect reports. MCPS knee jerk reaction is to protect the staff member so as an institution, they aren’t sued. If CPS and the police can not prove child abuse/sexual abuse occurred, MCPS does not remove predators demonstrating grooming behaviors. Even after the first initial complaints, predators are kept in the classroom till the arrest is made.
One issue is that the General Counsel Office in MCPS advises MCPS and Board on these types of cases. The Board does not independently review information and they will support whatever MCPS and the General Counsel advises. There is no independent review that looks at cases on behalf of protecting students and firing staff that demonstrates grooming behavior. The result is that MCPS becomes a magnet for child predators who are employed by MCPS for decades.
The only way to protect students is to enforce the Code of Conduct. Firing offenders will send a message that MCPS is no longer a haven that gives predators unlimited access to children.
This! All of this! I work in the system and principals go along to get along. It's the rare principal who, at minimum, says, "you may be letting him stay, but there is no way he's coming back to my building." Every teacher in the building can know a guy is creepy and has no boundaries, but unless central office investigators decide whatever the person did is a fireable offense, which generally only happens in cases where CPS and/or the police choose to investigate, the teacher gets a meaningless written slap on the wrist, and then is either returned to their own school or, if their grooming behavior involves a current student, placed in another school. They also don't need to do anything more than watch a few videos. It's voila, everyone just goes back to business as usual. Until more principals stop and question this process and push back against central office edicts, or alternatively, an independent investigator gets involved and starts doing more reviews, we will see exactly what we are seeing now - which is predator educators who teach and also maybe coach for years until they do something that gets them arrested.
What do teachers do when they know an employee is doing things that might not be a crime but definitely violates the Employee Code of Conduct? Do you report it? Would multiple reports by MCPS staff carry any weight particularly if it corroborates a complaint from a student? Is there a record kept of complaints and offenses?
Examples: teacher/coach is alone in a classroom with a student and door closed, teacher/coach texts students instead of using MCPS email, teacher/coach gives a student a gift (worth about $50 so not a trinket), teacher/coach has students at his house, elementary teacher has students sit on his lap during story time, etc.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry, just realized I posted the same link twice. The 2nd should be: https://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2018/education/division-ii/title-6/subtitle-1/section-6-113.1/
I don't blame principals who make a report to central office about suspected wrongdoing by a teacher, but the teacher gets to stay in the system anyway. I do blame principals who welcome back teachers who have committed an offense, even if it's not yet sexual or physical. All principals should insist that mcps require more than the minimal re-training a teacher has to do now in order to get to come back. It's no more than a few videos, and there's no required follow ups! The principal at my school had a teacher put on leave so they could look into wrongdoing he had reported himself, and the principal made it clear to MCPS that no matter what the official findings were, there was no way in hell that teacher was coming back to his school or having access to his students. He made it clear that he would make a huge stink if MCPS tried to put this person back in his building. He couldn't get the man fired, he doesn't have the power to do that, but he provided all the necessary information to central office and did everything in his power to keep him away from students. I respect him for that. Too many administrators just go along to get along and don't ask questions.
One issue in MCPS is how they treat Child Abuse and Neglect reports. MCPS knee jerk reaction is to protect the staff member so as an institution, they aren’t sued. If CPS and the police can not prove child abuse/sexual abuse occurred, MCPS does not remove predators demonstrating grooming behaviors. Even after the first initial complaints, predators are kept in the classroom till the arrest is made.
One issue is that the General Counsel Office in MCPS advises MCPS and Board on these types of cases. The Board does not independently review information and they will support whatever MCPS and the General Counsel advises. There is no independent review that looks at cases on behalf of protecting students and firing staff that demonstrates grooming behavior. The result is that MCPS becomes a magnet for child predators who are employed by MCPS for decades.
The only way to protect students is to enforce the Code of Conduct. Firing offenders will send a message that MCPS is no longer a haven that gives predators unlimited access to children.
This! All of this! I work in the system and principals go along to get along. It's the rare principal who, at minimum, says, "you may be letting him stay, but there is no way he's coming back to my building." Every teacher in the building can know a guy is creepy and has no boundaries, but unless central office investigators decide whatever the person did is a fireable offense, which generally only happens in cases where CPS and/or the police choose to investigate, the teacher gets a meaningless written slap on the wrist, and then is either returned to their own school or, if their grooming behavior involves a current student, placed in another school. They also don't need to do anything more than watch a few videos. It's voila, everyone just goes back to business as usual. Until more principals stop and question this process and push back against central office edicts, or alternatively, an independent investigator gets involved and starts doing more reviews, we will see exactly what we are seeing now - which is predator educators who teach and also maybe coach for years until they do something that gets them arrested.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Many MCPS high schools have club crew teams - Whitman, WJ, BCC, Blair - it is the only way for a high school to have a crew team. There are other club sports set up the same way at MCPS high schools - ice hockey and volleyball, for example. My understanding is that while these clubs get no funding from MCPS and have parent boards, they are still school “clubs” in the same way that robotics, debate, etc are and are only open to students at the specific high school. Versus private soccer and lacrosse clubs, for example.
True they are all club sports. However, Whitman HS treated rowing more like a varsity sport than a club when it came to facilities. Where the other schools mentioned have no access to school facilities and had to rent workout space, Whitman HS allowed their kids to train during the winter on campus.
BCC’s winter workouts have been at their feeder mcps middle school, Westland, for the past 2 years. Wilson does some winter workouts at Wilson. Again, so much misinformation on this thread.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry, just realized I posted the same link twice. The 2nd should be: https://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2018/education/division-ii/title-6/subtitle-1/section-6-113.1/
I don't blame principals who make a report to central office about suspected wrongdoing by a teacher, but the teacher gets to stay in the system anyway. I do blame principals who welcome back teachers who have committed an offense, even if it's not yet sexual or physical. All principals should insist that mcps require more than the minimal re-training a teacher has to do now in order to get to come back. It's no more than a few videos, and there's no required follow ups! The principal at my school had a teacher put on leave so they could look into wrongdoing he had reported himself, and the principal made it clear to MCPS that no matter what the official findings were, there was no way in hell that teacher was coming back to his school or having access to his students. He made it clear that he would make a huge stink if MCPS tried to put this person back in his building. He couldn't get the man fired, he doesn't have the power to do that, but he provided all the necessary information to central office and did everything in his power to keep him away from students. I respect him for that. Too many administrators just go along to get along and don't ask questions.
One issue in MCPS is how they treat Child Abuse and Neglect reports. MCPS knee jerk reaction is to protect the staff member so as an institution, they aren’t sued. If CPS and the police can not prove child abuse/sexual abuse occurred, MCPS does not remove predators demonstrating grooming behaviors. Even after the first initial complaints, predators are kept in the classroom till the arrest is made.
One issue is that the General Counsel Office in MCPS advises MCPS and Board on these types of cases. The Board does not independently review information and they will support whatever MCPS and the General Counsel advises. There is no independent review that looks at cases on behalf of protecting students and firing staff that demonstrates grooming behavior. The result is that MCPS becomes a magnet for child predators who are employed by MCPS for decades.
The only way to protect students is to enforce the Code of Conduct. Firing offenders will send a message that MCPS is no longer a haven that gives predators unlimited access to children.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry, just realized I posted the same link twice. The 2nd should be: https://law.justia.com/codes/maryland/2018/education/division-ii/title-6/subtitle-1/section-6-113.1/
I don't blame principals who make a report to central office about suspected wrongdoing by a teacher, but the teacher gets to stay in the system anyway. I do blame principals who welcome back teachers who have committed an offense, even if it's not yet sexual or physical. All principals should insist that mcps require more than the minimal re-training a teacher has to do now in order to get to come back. It's no more than a few videos, and there's no required follow ups! The principal at my school had a teacher put on leave so they could look into wrongdoing he had reported himself, and the principal made it clear to MCPS that no matter what the official findings were, there was no way in hell that teacher was coming back to his school or having access to his students. He made it clear that he would make a huge stink if MCPS tried to put this person back in his building. He couldn't get the man fired, he doesn't have the power to do that, but he provided all the necessary information to central office and did everything in his power to keep him away from students. I respect him for that. Too many administrators just go along to get along and don't ask questions.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Many MCPS high schools have club crew teams - Whitman, WJ, BCC, Blair - it is the only way for a high school to have a crew team. There are other club sports set up the same way at MCPS high schools - ice hockey and volleyball, for example. My understanding is that while these clubs get no funding from MCPS and have parent boards, they are still school “clubs” in the same way that robotics, debate, etc are and are only open to students at the specific high school. Versus private soccer and lacrosse clubs, for example.
True they are all club sports. However, Whitman HS treated rowing more like a varsity sport than a club when it came to facilities. Where the other schools mentioned have no access to school facilities and had to rent workout space, Whitman HS allowed their kids to train during the winter on campus.