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Anonymous wrote:Assuming arguendo plaintiffs “win” in district court, the Fourth Circuit is locked down liberal. So it would be reversed. Gets to Supreme Court. 5-4 Fourth Circuit upheld. FCPS wins. Long game.

If that happens, then that would be institutionalizing racism, and we would literally be confirming that we are now a socialist country.

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Anonymous wrote:Assuming arguendo plaintiffs “win” in district court, the Fourth Circuit is locked down liberal. So it would be reversed. Gets to Supreme Court. 5-4 Fourth Circuit upheld. FCPS wins. Long game.

If that happens, then that would be institutionalizing racism, and we would literally be confirming that we are now a socialist country.

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Anonymous wrote:Part of the reason for the huge racial imbalance is that bright white kids (and probably Black and Hispanic ones, too) have figured out that if they're not going to be in the top 25% of TJ, they'll get better college offers with much less work by being in the top 10% of their base high school. For whatever reason, Asian kids are interested in working their asses off at TJ, even if they get much worse college acceptances than they would have at their base school.

I'm not sure that this is a problem that even needs to be fixed.

Because they care about the quality of education.

This. Asians care about their children being challenged and growing academically and socially around peers who share the same values. That is the draw of TJ. College acceptances are important, but more important than that is having an intellectually stimulating environment and quality learning opportunities that allow their children to discover their interests and strenghts.

Anonymous wrote:Assuming arguendo plaintiffs “win” in district court, the Fourth Circuit is locked down liberal. So it would be reversed. Gets to Supreme Court. 5-4 Fourth Circuit upheld. FCPS wins. Long game.

Anonymous wrote:Assuming arguendo plaintiffs “win” in district court, the Fourth Circuit is locked down liberal. So it would be reversed. Gets to Supreme Court. 5-4 Fourth Circuit upheld. FCPS wins. Long game.

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Anonymous wrote:Part of the reason for the huge racial imbalance is that bright white kids (and probably Black and Hispanic ones, too) have figured out that if they're not going to be in the top 25% of TJ, they'll get better college offers with much less work by being in the top 10% of their base high school. For whatever reason, Asian kids are interested in working their asses off at TJ, even if they get much worse college acceptances than they would have at their base school.

I'm not sure that this is a problem that even needs to be fixed.

Because they care about the quality of education.

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Anonymous wrote:U.S. District Judge Claude Hilton expressed skepticism about the school system’s assertions that its new admissions policy is race neutral.

“Everybody knows the policy is not race neutral, and that it’s designed to affect the racial composition of the school,” he said. “You can say all sorts of beautiful things while you’re doing others.”

The judge can see through the smokescreen. So can the apologists for this policy on this forum. As this moves through judicial review this will be exposed for what it is - blatantly anti-Asian. Hope the apologists sleep well at night supporting this skullduggery.

So where are the legal eagles that doubled-down yesterday that this was a weak case. I now know better than to give any credence to the opinion of some hack lawyer that is such a joke that they have time to spend in chat rooms with us moms all day. The good lawyers are actually working during the day.

Anonymous wrote:Part of the reason for the huge racial imbalance is that bright white kids (and probably Black and Hispanic ones, too) have figured out that if they're not going to be in the top 25% of TJ, they'll get better college offers with much less work by being in the top 10% of their base high school. For whatever reason, Asian kids are interested in working their asses off at TJ, even if they get much worse college acceptances than they would have at their base school.

I'm not sure that this is a problem that even needs to be fixed.

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Anonymous wrote:Part of the reason for the huge racial imbalance is that bright white kids (and probably Black and Hispanic ones, too) have figured out that if they're not going to be in the top 25% of TJ, they'll get better college offers with much less work by being in the top 10% of their base high school. For whatever reason, Asian kids are interested in working their asses off at TJ, even if they get much worse college acceptances than they would have at their base school.

I'm not sure that this is a problem that even needs to be fixed.

Because they care about the quality of education.

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Then leave race out of it. Leave it off the application. Have people include their parents income instead. I be you oppose that too because you know poor Asian kids would again dominate the admissions.

+1 They're afraid to do do that.

Anonymous wrote:Part of the reason for the huge racial imbalance is that bright white kids (and probably Black and Hispanic ones, too) have figured out that if they're not going to be in the top 25% of TJ, they'll get better college offers with much less work by being in the top 10% of their base high school. For whatever reason, Asian kids are interested in working their asses off at TJ, even if they get much worse college acceptances than they would have at their base school.

I'm not sure that this is a problem that even needs to be fixed.

Anonymous wrote:U.S. District Judge Claude Hilton expressed skepticism about the school system’s assertions that its new admissions policy is race neutral.

“Everybody knows the policy is not race neutral, and that it’s designed to affect the racial composition of the school,” he said. “You can say all sorts of beautiful things while you’re doing others.”

The judge can see through the smokescreen. So can the apologists for this policy on this forum. As this moves through judicial review this will be exposed for what it is - blatantly anti-Asian. Hope the apologists sleep well at night supporting this skullduggery.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the case where the Supreme Court struck down using race as the basis to admit or deny students. Parents Involved in Community Schools v. Seattle School District No. 1, 551 U.S. 701 (2007) It's pretty famous so clearly none of you clowns did well in Con. Law in law school. The argument FCSB is trying to make is that racial balancing is NOT what is motivating the admissions change which THEY will have to show passes STRICT SCRUTINY. Below is the most famous quote from the case by Chief Justice Roberts:

As counsel who appeared before this Court for the plaintiffs in Brown put it: “We have one fundamental contention which we will seek to develop in the course of this argument, and that contention is that no State has any authority under the equal-protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to use race as a factor in affording educational opportunities among its citizens.” Tr. of Oral Arg. in Brown I, p. 7 (Robert L. Carter, Dec. 9, 1952). There is no ambiguity in that statement. And it was that position that prevailed in this Court, which emphasized in its remedial opinion that what was “[a]t stake is the personal interest of the plaintiffs in admission to public schools as soon as practicable on a nondiscriminatory basis,” and what was required was “determining admission to the public schools on a nonracial basis.” Brown II, supra, at 300–301 (emphasis added). What do the racial classifications do in these cases, if not determine admission to a public school on a racial basis? Before Brown, schoolchildren were told where they could and could not go to school based on the color of their skin. The school districts in these cases have not carried the heavy burden of demonstrating that we should allow this once again—even for very different reasons. For schools that never segregated on the basis of race, such as Seattle, or that have removed the vestiges of past segregation, such as Jefferson County, the way “to achieve a system of determining admission to the public schools on a nonracial basis,” Brown II, 349 U. S., at 300–301, is to stop assigning students on a racial basis. The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.

A fabulous piece of legal writing by the Chief Justice. But what is at issue in this case is the removal of a process that demonstrably has discriminated on the basis of race for entirely too long.

If you have been connected with TJ for any length of time during the entirety of its existence, and fail to comprehend that the previous admissions processes systematically excluded Black and Hispanic students, your ignorance is either willful or pitiable.

"Systematically" Please explain. Are you saying that the admissions officers are not fairly evaluating a candidate if the are Black or Hispanic? I believe the law suit in the 1990s from Professor of Llyod Cohen proved just the opposite.

So for pretty much the balance of the history of TJ's admissions process, students have not even been able to qualify for evaluation without recording a certain score - historically a raw score, but more recently a percentile on the curve - on a standardized exam. There is no end of peer-reviewed and validated research that the entire practice of standardized testing favors some communities over others - most specifically those of lesser means. While white and Asian families have great diversity in terms of socioeconomic status, Black and Hispanic families historically do not - they are poor on a much more consistent basis than white or Asian families. Thus it is possible, when it comes to a discussion of exclusion, to use SES as a proxy for race for purposes of evaluation. If you look at TJ's FARMS rate for generations, you see that the process has systematically excluded SOME communities of white and Asian families, while also systematically excluding NEARLY ALL Black and Hispanic families.

Their applications don't even get to the Admissions Commitee's desks because of these exams, which people with resources to burn can teach their kids how to excel on.

I see, so when a system is set up in a manner some people argue is race-neutral but systematically targets a group for exclusion that is discrimination. Hmmmmm. . . . I believe that is what the Coalition for TJ is arguing is happening to Asians. I guess you would oppose that then?

If Asians someday comprise 1% of the school’s population, you’ll have a point. Until then, kindly take a seat.

Demographics and race should not be determining factors that exclude students who have demonstrated academic excellence and high level of intellect.

When those demonstrations are buffeted by wealth and parental effort, they’re far less relevant.

Then leave race out of it. Leave it off the application. Have people include their parents income instead. I be you oppose that too because you know poor Asian kids would again dominate the admissions.