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Anonymous wrote:Americans are in la-la land. They need to open their eyes and look around. And travel internationally. Perhaps live abroad. This is what has made me get out of your little bubble where things appear rosy as long as you sing kumbaya. Wake up, people.

Chamber of commerce in cahoots with democrat urban elites created this mess. An unholy alliance of rich people to screw low skilled workers and import millions of cheap workers.

Dear Leader employs illegal workers at Trump properties and imports low-skilled temporary workers from abroad. I guess you'll blame that on Democrats too?

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Anonymous wrote:Americans are in la-la land. They need to open their eyes and look around. And travel internationally. Perhaps live abroad. This is what has made me get out of your little bubble where things appear rosy as long as you sing kumbaya. Wake up, people.

Chamber of commerce in cahoots with democrat urban elites created this mess. An unholy alliance of rich people to screw low skilled workers and import millions of cheap workers.

Democrats, huh? You have been misled, my friend.

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Anonymous wrote:Americans are in la-la land. They need to open their eyes and look around. And travel internationally. Perhaps live abroad. This is what has made me get out of your little bubble where things appear rosy as long as you sing kumbaya. Wake up, people.

Chamber of commerce in cahoots with democrat urban elites created this mess. An unholy alliance of rich people to screw low skilled workers and import millions of cheap workers.

creating economic slavery . . .

Anonymous wrote:Americans are in la-la land. They need to open their eyes and look around. And travel internationally. Perhaps live abroad. This is what has made me get out of your little bubble where things appear rosy as long as you sing kumbaya. Wake up, people.

Chamber of commerce in cahoots with democrat urban elites created this mess. An unholy alliance of rich people to screw low skilled workers and import millions of cheap workers.

It's hard to assimilate in a country with no culture.

What are American beliefs?

What's our culture? You can't celebrate Halloween in many schools b/c of religious differences.

Many people don't think the pledge is important. (See the schools forums.)

We don't have a national language. (No, we don't.) Many materials are translated into multiple languages these days, mainly Spanish, however.

Civics classes aren't highlighted. Service learning hours are a joke. Some hours are embedded into courses, or too many kids would not accrue enough to graduate. In other words, the desire to support community is eroding.

Identify politics is the name of the game. So we exist in our own bubbles yet somehow find an avenue to attack each other.

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Again, the vast majority of government services are unavailable to undocumented people. You wouldn’t want to extend services to support our families because maybe some tiny % of those services would be abused?

So rather than risk having a tiny % of abuse you prefer to have nothing - zero benefits for any citizens. Sounds like spite to me.

re: refugees and asylees - But how are we coding those entering if they're escaping brutal conditions?

Refugees and asylees are eligible for all welfare benefits for the first seven years they reside in the U.S., after which their eligibility is greatly reduced.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/welfare-benefits-for-non-citizens/
Welfare Benefits for Non-Citizens

written in 2002 - still the case?
If so, 7 years is still a long time.


This is new to me, too.
https://www.acf.hhs.gov/orr/programs/cma/about

The Cash and Medical Assistance (CMA) Program is part of the Division of Refugee Assistance. CMA reimburses states for 100 percent of services provided to refugees and other eligible persons, as well as associated administrative costs. Programs eligible for reimbursement include:

Refugee Cash Assistance (RCA)
Refugee Medical Assistance (RMA)
Unaccompanied Refugee Minors

https://refugeehealthta.org/access-to-care/eligibility-for-benefits-and-services/
similar info

SEVEN YEARS? Good grief. I had no idea they were eligible for federal benefits. And I bet millions of other people had no idea either, so thank you for posting, PP.

I think any refugee we bring in should get tons of support. Otherwise, we will face enclaves and integration challenges like Europe. I dont think that all of these caravans are full of genuine refugees. The state is not actively persecuting people in Central America. If we are to classify them as refugees, and we are OK with them having 2 economies -one of people who stay behind, one of remittances and dollars - then we need to set up a very strict guest worker program, with health and criminal checks, no family accompaniment, and no birthright citizenship. Half the Philippines works abroad. They also leave their families at home and travel home once a year. That's being a "guest worker". These central Americans want to immigrate. In that case they should go through a full UN administered refugee process, live in camps in Mexico for years, and be sent all over the world. That's the way it has worked for generations of refugees. Whoch will it be? The current status quo is simply open borders

Europe gives ''refugees'' and refugees tons of support. They don't want to integrate. They despise European culture.

THIS, exactly. The recent immigrants to Europe don’t WANT to assimilate. They’ve been given all the aid in the world, but they despise the very people helping them. It boggles the mind that Europe has let itself become a doormat for people who hate them and their culture.

Well said.

Unfortunately democracies are very prone to abuse.. which is why we see successes in developing countries under semi authoritarian leaders.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Again, the vast majority of government services are unavailable to undocumented people. You wouldn’t want to extend services to support our families because maybe some tiny % of those services would be abused?

So rather than risk having a tiny % of abuse you prefer to have nothing - zero benefits for any citizens. Sounds like spite to me.

re: refugees and asylees - But how are we coding those entering if they're escaping brutal conditions?

Refugees and asylees are eligible for all welfare benefits for the first seven years they reside in the U.S., after which their eligibility is greatly reduced.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/welfare-benefits-for-non-citizens/
Welfare Benefits for Non-Citizens

written in 2002 - still the case?
If so, 7 years is still a long time.


This is new to me, too.
https://www.acf.hhs.gov/orr/programs/cma/about

The Cash and Medical Assistance (CMA) Program is part of the Division of Refugee Assistance. CMA reimburses states for 100 percent of services provided to refugees and other eligible persons, as well as associated administrative costs. Programs eligible for reimbursement include:

Refugee Cash Assistance (RCA)
Refugee Medical Assistance (RMA)
Unaccompanied Refugee Minors

https://refugeehealthta.org/access-to-care/eligibility-for-benefits-and-services/
similar info

SEVEN YEARS? Good grief. I had no idea they were eligible for federal benefits. And I bet millions of other people had no idea either, so thank you for posting, PP.

I think any refugee we bring in should get tons of support. Otherwise, we will face enclaves and integration challenges like Europe. I dont think that all of these caravans are full of genuine refugees. The state is not actively persecuting people in Central America. If we are to classify them as refugees, and we are OK with them having 2 economies -one of people who stay behind, one of remittances and dollars - then we need to set up a very strict guest worker program, with health and criminal checks, no family accompaniment, and no birthright citizenship. Half the Philippines works abroad. They also leave their families at home and travel home once a year. That's being a "guest worker". These central Americans want to immigrate. In that case they should go through a full UN administered refugee process, live in camps in Mexico for years, and be sent all over the world. That's the way it has worked for generations of refugees. Whoch will it be? The current status quo is simply open borders

The key words being those that "we bring in".... we haven't brought in or invited these people. They have thrust themselves on us and due to international and US law we have to let them go through the process. They are not refugees. They are gaming the system. All government assistance should be cut off.

While Trump continues to huff and puff about illegal immigration the Trump properties in Florida are quietly moving to purge themselves of the undocumented workers that are currently working there. LOL!

This will soon be in the US too. Maybe not hate but certainly clustering together and despising “stupid gringos”.
But then wasn’t it the case with any massive immigration?
But then again, why not take the best and brightest like the Soviet jews in the 1980s-1990s??

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Again, the vast majority of government services are unavailable to undocumented people. You wouldn’t want to extend services to support our families because maybe some tiny % of those services would be abused?

So rather than risk having a tiny % of abuse you prefer to have nothing - zero benefits for any citizens. Sounds like spite to me.

re: refugees and asylees - But how are we coding those entering if they're escaping brutal conditions?

Refugees and asylees are eligible for all welfare benefits for the first seven years they reside in the U.S., after which their eligibility is greatly reduced.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/welfare-benefits-for-non-citizens/
Welfare Benefits for Non-Citizens

written in 2002 - still the case?
If so, 7 years is still a long time.


This is new to me, too.
https://www.acf.hhs.gov/orr/programs/cma/about

The Cash and Medical Assistance (CMA) Program is part of the Division of Refugee Assistance. CMA reimburses states for 100 percent of services provided to refugees and other eligible persons, as well as associated administrative costs. Programs eligible for reimbursement include:

Refugee Cash Assistance (RCA)
Refugee Medical Assistance (RMA)
Unaccompanied Refugee Minors

https://refugeehealthta.org/access-to-care/eligibility-for-benefits-and-services/
similar info

SEVEN YEARS? Good grief. I had no idea they were eligible for federal benefits. And I bet millions of other people had no idea either, so thank you for posting, PP.

I think any refugee we bring in should get tons of support. Otherwise, we will face enclaves and integration challenges like Europe. I dont think that all of these caravans are full of genuine refugees. The state is not actively persecuting people in Central America. If we are to classify them as refugees, and we are OK with them having 2 economies -one of people who stay behind, one of remittances and dollars - then we need to set up a very strict guest worker program, with health and criminal checks, no family accompaniment, and no birthright citizenship. Half the Philippines works abroad. They also leave their families at home and travel home once a year. That's being a "guest worker". These central Americans want to immigrate. In that case they should go through a full UN administered refugee process, live in camps in Mexico for years, and be sent all over the world. That's the way it has worked for generations of refugees. Whoch will it be? The current status quo is simply open borders

Europe gives ''refugees'' and refugees tons of support. They don't want to integrate. They despise European culture.

THIS, exactly. The recent immigrants to Europe don’t WANT to assimilate. They’ve been given all the aid in the world, but they despise the very people helping them. It boggles the mind that Europe has let itself become a doormat for people who hate them and their culture.

Americans are in la-la land. They need to open their eyes and look around. And travel internationally. Perhaps live abroad. This is what has made me get out of your little bubble where things appear rosy as long as you sing kumbaya. Wake up, people.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Again, the vast majority of government services are unavailable to undocumented people. You wouldn’t want to extend services to support our families because maybe some tiny % of those services would be abused?

So rather than risk having a tiny % of abuse you prefer to have nothing - zero benefits for any citizens. Sounds like spite to me.

re: refugees and asylees - But how are we coding those entering if they're escaping brutal conditions?

Refugees and asylees are eligible for all welfare benefits for the first seven years they reside in the U.S., after which their eligibility is greatly reduced.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/welfare-benefits-for-non-citizens/
Welfare Benefits for Non-Citizens

written in 2002 - still the case?
If so, 7 years is still a long time.


This is new to me, too.
https://www.acf.hhs.gov/orr/programs/cma/about

The Cash and Medical Assistance (CMA) Program is part of the Division of Refugee Assistance. CMA reimburses states for 100 percent of services provided to refugees and other eligible persons, as well as associated administrative costs. Programs eligible for reimbursement include:

Refugee Cash Assistance (RCA)
Refugee Medical Assistance (RMA)
Unaccompanied Refugee Minors

https://refugeehealthta.org/access-to-care/eligibility-for-benefits-and-services/
similar info

SEVEN YEARS? Good grief. I had no idea they were eligible for federal benefits. And I bet millions of other people had no idea either, so thank you for posting, PP.

I think any refugee we bring in should get tons of support. Otherwise, we will face enclaves and integration challenges like Europe. I dont think that all of these caravans are full of genuine refugees. The state is not actively persecuting people in Central America. If we are to classify them as refugees, and we are OK with them having 2 economies -one of people who stay behind, one of remittances and dollars - then we need to set up a very strict guest worker program, with health and criminal checks, no family accompaniment, and no birthright citizenship. Half the Philippines works abroad. They also leave their families at home and travel home once a year. That's being a "guest worker". These central Americans want to immigrate. In that case they should go through a full UN administered refugee process, live in camps in Mexico for years, and be sent all over the world. That's the way it has worked for generations of refugees. Whoch will it be? The current status quo is simply open borders

Europe gives ''refugees'' and refugees tons of support. They don't want to integrate. They despise European culture.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Again, the vast majority of government services are unavailable to undocumented people. You wouldn’t want to extend services to support our families because maybe some tiny % of those services would be abused?

So rather than risk having a tiny % of abuse you prefer to have nothing - zero benefits for any citizens. Sounds like spite to me.

re: refugees and asylees - But how are we coding those entering if they're escaping brutal conditions?

Refugees and asylees are eligible for all welfare benefits for the first seven years they reside in the U.S., after which their eligibility is greatly reduced.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/welfare-benefits-for-non-citizens/
Welfare Benefits for Non-Citizens

written in 2002 - still the case?
If so, 7 years is still a long time.


This is new to me, too.
https://www.acf.hhs.gov/orr/programs/cma/about

The Cash and Medical Assistance (CMA) Program is part of the Division of Refugee Assistance. CMA reimburses states for 100 percent of services provided to refugees and other eligible persons, as well as associated administrative costs. Programs eligible for reimbursement include:

Refugee Cash Assistance (RCA)
Refugee Medical Assistance (RMA)
Unaccompanied Refugee Minors

https://refugeehealthta.org/access-to-care/eligibility-for-benefits-and-services/
similar info

SEVEN YEARS? Good grief. I had no idea they were eligible for federal benefits. And I bet millions of other people had no idea either, so thank you for posting, PP.

I think any refugee we bring in should get tons of support. Otherwise, we will face enclaves and integration challenges like Europe. I dont think that all of these caravans are full of genuine refugees. The state is not actively persecuting people in Central America. If we are to classify them as refugees, and we are OK with them having 2 economies -one of people who stay behind, one of remittances and dollars - then we need to set up a very strict guest worker program, with health and criminal checks, no family accompaniment, and no birthright citizenship. Half the Philippines works abroad. They also leave their families at home and travel home once a year. That's being a "guest worker". These central Americans want to immigrate. In that case they should go through a full UN administered refugee process, live in camps in Mexico for years, and be sent all over the world. That's the way it has worked for generations of refugees. Whoch will it be? The current status quo is simply open borders

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Anonymous wrote:Hey 19:10, Can they please come to your house? You say no way, Jose? Where exactly do you want them to go?

Crickets.

Well since you don’t want to make their home a safe place to live then they should go to your house. You break it you buy it.

DP. We've tried for years to make their home a safe place to live. At a certain point, you stop handing out money that is only going to be flushed down the toilet. If you want to send your own money, feel free. But leave the rest of us out of it.

Well then I guess you’ll have to take them into your house.

Not me, sorry. But you seem extremely eager to bring them to the U.S., so be sure and make it known that you can sponsor several families.

I am not trying to bring them to the US. I think we should fix the actual issue - the one we helped create - violence and instability in CA.

So again, send your own money, volunteer your own time in these countries. And leave the rest of us out of it.

Ok. I thought you wanted fewer refugees...