Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ECNL and DA have not really proven to be developmental but they have proven to make scouting easier for colleges.“.

Well, we’ve found our “batshit crazy” poster. Yeah, you’re right, neither of these programs across both genders are developmental. I guess college coaches are just dumb as are all the ECNL and DA coaches, players, and parents. Yep, you’re right oh sage of soccer wisdom. Can you tell us who you are, who you coach, and your personal success rate of “developing” players. Yeah, that’s what I thought. Now, get out of your pj’s, scratch your ass, and go sit on the coach and watch some tv.

That wasn’t the point you fool. The point is that their impact on the international game is to soon to tell. The stated purpose of DA is to develop international quality players. DA players should be of a high enough quality to turn pro and develop further there in a professional environment not in a collegiate environment.

^^^ After this post I get it now. DA has brainwashed this and other parents into thinking their DD is “high enough quality to turn pro” versus aiming for college.

Not at all. ECNL has brainwashed people into believing that College Soccer is the highest level and that if your kid gets there then they are themselves the highest of quality.

When European players come to play in College here it is an admission that they are not in fact good enough players in Europe and that they will never Ben pros.

Here, we believe College is the pinnacle because football and basketball players go to college before pro.

Playing in college is not easy and it is not easy to make a college roster. But when it is a league/clubs stated mission of developing players to get scouted in a relative sense internationally is a pretty self fulfilling and low bar.

With college being the end goal and the measure of success for clubs and the marketing of the league clubs generally don’t take a longer view of players and instead tend to look more at the quick return on investment in players. They select and promote players they see as succeeding at collegiate level. A level that in an of itself is merely a short 4 year investment at the max.

So clubs are pushing athletes that a college program can perhaps get two seasons of playing time out of.

We will no longer remain a soccer power on the women’s side until we begin to even argue the benefits of playing college soccer in the same manor as we do now about HS soccer. The college game has proven already to stifle our men’s program and with European Pro clubs growing the women’s game and using the same approach as the men’s academies we will lose ground and never catch back up.

None of this means that I believe that my kid is going pro, but it illustrates how low a bar this pissing match is setting. Like you, I’ll choose the best path possible for college because frankly that is the only path any of us have regardless of our kids talent or potential.

Anonymous wrote:Real development doesnt come via the league. The league is there to test the development and ability of players to compete at the next level.

Winner Winner! Not sure why this so hard for so many to comprehend.

Real development doesnt come via the league. The league is there to test the development and ability of players to compete at the next level.

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Anonymous wrote:“ECNL and DA have not really proven to be developmental but they have proven to make scouting easier for colleges.“.

Well, we’ve found our “batshit crazy” poster. Yeah, you’re right, neither of these programs across both genders are developmental. I guess college coaches are just dumb as are all the ECNL and DA coaches, players, and parents. Yep, you’re right oh sage of soccer wisdom. Can you tell us who you are, who you coach, and your personal success rate of “developing” players. Yeah, that’s what I thought. Now, get out of your pj’s, scratch your ass, and go sit on the coach and watch some tv.

That wasn’t the point you fool. The point is that their impact on the international game is to soon to tell. The stated purpose of DA is to develop international quality players. DA players should be of a high enough quality to turn pro and develop further there in a professional environment not in a collegiate environment.

^^^ After this post I get it now. DA has brainwashed this and other parents into thinking their DD is “high enough quality to turn pro” versus aiming for college.

Anonymous wrote:“ECNL and DA have not really proven to be developmental but they have proven to make scouting easier for colleges.“.

Well, we’ve found our “batshit crazy” poster. Yeah, you’re right, neither of these programs across both genders are developmental. I guess college coaches are just dumb as are all the ECNL and DA coaches, players, and parents. Yep, you’re right oh sage of soccer wisdom. Can you tell us who you are, who you coach, and your personal success rate of “developing” players. Yeah, that’s what I thought. Now, get out of your pj’s, scratch your ass, and go sit on the coach and watch some tv.

That wasn’t the point you fool. The point is that their impact on the international game is to soon to tell. The stated purpose of DA is to develop international quality players. DA players should be of a high enough quality to turn pro and develop further there in a professional environment not in a collegiate environment.

For the record:

I posted everything that I did for the ONE (maybe two) poster who came onto a ECNL thread to regurgitate DA talking points. I felt that the poster, while purposely being a PITA, was talking from a position of ignorance and or inexperience.

The poster probabley feels that he/she is doing US Soccers bidding by being a digital marketer on a talk forums in an effort to persuade talent to move toward DA or else suffer doom and gloom. What the poster wants is area talent consolidation so he/she can say that his/her daughter plays in the best league.

What the poster doesnt understand is that it's not going to happen. Not because I said so...because the national trend is showing it. In fact, more top quality clubs are defecting vs joining

What US Soccer should have done is supported the ECNL while using their money to establish a second to none scouting network with second to none scouts. They should identify talent very early on, make them sign contracts, and pay for their development. Also establish regional centers run by US Soccer. True brick and mortar training centers. True academies.

Real development doesnt come via the league. The league is there to test the development and ability of players to compete at the next level.

“ECNL and DA have not really proven to be developmental but they have proven to make scouting easier for colleges.“.

Well, we’ve found our “batshit crazy” poster. Yeah, you’re right, neither of these programs across both genders are developmental. I guess college coaches are just dumb as are all the ECNL and DA coaches, players, and parents. Yep, you’re right oh sage of soccer wisdom. Can you tell us who you are, who you coach, and your personal success rate of “developing” players. Yeah, that’s what I thought. Now, get out of your pj’s, scratch your ass, and go sit on the coach and watch some tv.

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Anonymous wrote:I asked how many ECNL alums were on the World Cup Winning team not on national teams.

Give me a second. I'll search it.

Here is what I do know however.

NOT A SINGLE GDA PLAYER HAS EVER WON A WORLD CUP. OR OLYMPIC GOLD MEDAL.. .EVER....NEVER EVER...EVER EVER? EVER EVER!

Relax. The point is not about GDA but more about how long actual development cycles really are. Folks are bashing DA for not producing results on the men’s side.

ECNL has been around for nearly as long as Boys DA has and ECNL has yet to really put its stamp on a far less competitive women’s international game. While our women’s team did win the last World Cup ECNL has had zero impact.

What does this mean? Nothing more than instant results are silly when things like DA are developed. These are longer term investments that do not yield immediate results. ECNL and DA have not really proven to be developmental but they have proven to make scouting easier for colleges.

This was posted in the other ECNL thread, but belongs here as well. Perhaps more here than there, though it’s close.

Which Youth Clubs Produce The Most U.S Girl National Team Players?

Https://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/which-youth-clubs-produce-thze-most-u-s-girls-national-team-players/

We really need to say, “We have to be very, very careful to make sure that when we set out these opportunities, or inspire these dreams and ambitions, that we’re helping people do whatever they can to achieve their goal, but not in a way that if they fail, they are left with nothing.”

It is a false dichotomy to imply excellence on the field absolutely has to come at the expense of excellence in another area of life.


https://www.soccertoday.com/ecnls-christian-lavers-on-one-pathway-to-develop-players-is-not-realistic/

Anonymous wrote:I asked how many ECNL alums were on the World Cup Winning team not on national teams.

Give me a second. I'll search it.

Here is what I do know however.

NOT A SINGLE GDA PLAYER HAS EVER WON A WORLD CUP. OR OLYMPIC GOLD MEDAL.. .EVER....NEVER EVER...EVER EVER? EVER EVER!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: How about the US YN team getting beat by the Mexican Youth National Teams with American born players who were not good enough for the US YNT.

Two points on this. One, the topic is GDA not BDA. There are no such Mexican women players. The highest profile example I can think of moved in the opposite direction (Huerta, Mexico —> USA). Second, the example you cite doesn’t disprove the ability of boys DA to develop, it’s an example of recruiting. The Mexican players went where they felt was the best fit for them, and MEX is better on the men’s side than USA at this time.

Point 1: GDA is based on BDA.
POINT 2: BDA has been around for 11 years (baseline)
Point 3: USMNT is worse now then before BDA.

Point #4. Women's soccer in Mexico growing with help from U.S. players

Article: https://www.latimes.com/sports/soccer/la-sp-usa-mexico-soccer-baxter-20150517-story.html

After her first start with the U.S. under-23 national team, the Americans' interest quickly waned. Mexico, on the other hand, asked if she'd like to play on its World Cup team.

But if the choice were easy, it was also emotional: The first time Perez played a competitive game against the U.S., she had to bite the insides of her cheeks to keep from singing "The Star-Spangled Banner." Twenty-seven minutes later, she scored the deciding goal in a 2-1 Mexican victory, and she never looked back.

Twelve players on Mexico's preliminary 24-woman World Cup roster were either born in the U.S. or grew up there, with nine coming from California. For each, playing for Mexico wasn't about turning their backs on one country. It was about embracing an opportunity from another.

I CAN DO THIS ALL DAY.

That’s because you’re batshit crazy. But the fact is that the GDA and the BDA are different and the US women eat Mexico’s women’s lunch all day long.

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The GDA has existed for 1.5 years. They can take credit for nothing. Her that through your thick skull meat head.

I asked how many ECNL alums were on the World Cup Winning team not on national teams.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: How about the US YN team getting beat by the Mexican Youth National Teams with American born players who were not good enough for the US YNT.

Two points on this. One, the topic is GDA not BDA. There are no such Mexican women players. The highest profile example I can think of moved in the opposite direction (Huerta, Mexico —> USA). Second, the example you cite doesn’t disprove the ability of boys DA to develop, it’s an example of recruiting. The Mexican players went where they felt was the best fit for them, and MEX is better on the men’s side than USA at this time.

Point 1: GDA is based on BDA.
POINT 2: BDA has been around for 11 years (baseline)
Point 3: USMNT is worse now then before BDA.

Point #4. Women's soccer in Mexico growing with help from U.S. players

Article: https://www.latimes.com/sports/soccer/la-sp-usa-mexico-soccer-baxter-20150517-story.html

After her first start with the U.S. under-23 national team, the Americans' interest quickly waned. Mexico, on the other hand, asked if she'd like to play on its World Cup team.

But if the choice were easy, it was also emotional: The first time Perez played a competitive game against the U.S., she had to bite the insides of her cheeks to keep from singing "The Star-Spangled Banner." Twenty-seven minutes later, she scored the deciding goal in a 2-1 Mexican victory, and she never looked back.

Twelve players on Mexico's preliminary 24-woman World Cup roster were either born in the U.S. or grew up there, with nine coming from California. For each, playing for Mexico wasn't about turning their backs on one country. It was about embracing an opportunity from another.

I CAN DO THIS ALL DAY.

That’s because you’re batshit crazy. But the fact is that the GDA and the BDA are different and the US women eat Mexico’s women’s lunch all day long.

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