Anonymous
Post 06/11/2014 13:30     Subject: Re:Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
That begs the question of what is a "good" GBRS score relative to the likelihood of AAP acceptance. What's average, what's minimum seen (w/ or w/o high Cogat/WISC/SB scores). AART tend to go for vague - saves drama and being accountable for giving a professional opinion which they should have in their role (i.e. chances are more likely looking at these factors, etc.)
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2014 11:41     Subject: Re:Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
The comments are always good. They never write anything negative. The score is what matters the most.

Again, unless there is a behavior problem, the teachers will seldom complain.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2014 11:36     Subject: Re:Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
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Anonymous wrote:Will be in.


Just curious.. do the other scores like NAT and CoGAT matter? Real question.


Bump...can someone respond..


IME, the NNAT and CoGAT matter if you don't submit a WISC. A high WISC seems like it outweighs a low NNAT/CoGAT. I can't say a high NNAT/CoGAT will outweigh a "low" WISC because I doubt most people whose kid has a WISC below 125 submit the results. (Yes, I know 125 isn't low in the real world, but in AAP-land, it seems to be.) If the NNAT and CoGAT are low and don't submit a WISC, low scores can be counterbalanced by a high GBRS and the other optional materials. But I'm not an expert. I'm just speaking from my own kid's experience. Your mileage may vary.


Thanks. DC has NNAT & CoGAT below cutoff. WISC is 144. GBRS 9. DC has a photographic memory, but won't speak a word until asked to. Remembers stuff (academic and non-academic) from 5 years back. 4s in Math, science, SS. 3s & 4s in others.


My kid got in via appeal process last year, and we are in this again for my other kid this year. The GBRS was 9 and his NNAT/CogNAT was at the cut off level (125). Took WISC and scored FSIQ=152 with all the subscores in 145+ ranges. He got in on appeal. Did the same for the other kid with WISC 148, GBRS = 8 and submitted with the original file, got rejected. I have no idea what's going on with the system so I am appealing anyway. But I cannot figure out their process and what score takes precendence over what and when! Not to mention, for my first kid the same teacher who gave GBRS=9 told me to apply for AAP since she felt GE was making him bored! Crazzzy!


Looks like you submitted WISC with original AAP package? If so, what did you submit in the appeal package?


Additional works samples and a parent letter.


I should add the AART selected the worst possible work samples to include with the file, and when I asked the teacher about the GBRS =9 (last year) I was told 9 is good and that comments are good. So one would ask if 9 was good why did it get rejected? Like I said I can't figure it out....
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2014 11:33     Subject: Re:Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Will be in.


Just curious.. do the other scores like NAT and CoGAT matter? Real question.


Bump...can someone respond..


IME, the NNAT and CoGAT matter if you don't submit a WISC. A high WISC seems like it outweighs a low NNAT/CoGAT. I can't say a high NNAT/CoGAT will outweigh a "low" WISC because I doubt most people whose kid has a WISC below 125 submit the results. (Yes, I know 125 isn't low in the real world, but in AAP-land, it seems to be.) If the NNAT and CoGAT are low and don't submit a WISC, low scores can be counterbalanced by a high GBRS and the other optional materials. But I'm not an expert. I'm just speaking from my own kid's experience. Your mileage may vary.


Thanks. DC has NNAT & CoGAT below cutoff. WISC is 144. GBRS 9. DC has a photographic memory, but won't speak a word until asked to. Remembers stuff (academic and non-academic) from 5 years back. 4s in Math, science, SS. 3s & 4s in others.


My kid got in via appeal process last year, and we are in this again for my other kid this year. The GBRS was 9 and his NNAT/CogNAT was at the cut off level (125). Took WISC and scored FSIQ=152 with all the subscores in 145+ ranges. He got in on appeal. Did the same for the other kid with WISC 148, GBRS = 8 and submitted with the original file, got rejected. I have no idea what's going on with the system so I am appealing anyway. But I cannot figure out their process and what score takes precendence over what and when! Not to mention, for my first kid the same teacher who gave GBRS=9 told me to apply for AAP since she felt GE was making him bored! Crazzzy!


Looks like you submitted WISC with original AAP package? If so, what did you submit in the appeal package?


Additional works samples and a parent letter.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2014 11:28     Subject: Re:Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Will be in.


Just curious.. do the other scores like NAT and CoGAT matter? Real question.


Bump...can someone respond..


IME, the NNAT and CoGAT matter if you don't submit a WISC. A high WISC seems like it outweighs a low NNAT/CoGAT. I can't say a high NNAT/CoGAT will outweigh a "low" WISC because I doubt most people whose kid has a WISC below 125 submit the results. (Yes, I know 125 isn't low in the real world, but in AAP-land, it seems to be.) If the NNAT and CoGAT are low and don't submit a WISC, low scores can be counterbalanced by a high GBRS and the other optional materials. But I'm not an expert. I'm just speaking from my own kid's experience. Your mileage may vary.


Thanks. DC has NNAT & CoGAT below cutoff. WISC is 144. GBRS 9. DC has a photographic memory, but won't speak a word until asked to. Remembers stuff (academic and non-academic) from 5 years back. 4s in Math, science, SS. 3s & 4s in others.


My kid got in via appeal process last year, and we are in this again for my other kid this year. The GBRS was 9 and his NNAT/CogNAT was at the cut off level (125). Took WISC and scored FSIQ=152 with all the subscores in 145+ ranges. He got in on appeal. Did the same for the other kid with WISC 148, GBRS = 8 and submitted with the original file, got rejected. I have no idea what's going on with the system so I am appealing anyway. But I cannot figure out their process and what score takes precendence over what and when! Not to mention, for my first kid the same teacher who gave GBRS=9 told me to apply for AAP since she felt GE was making him bored! Crazzzy!


Looks like you submitted WISC with original AAP package? If so, what did you submit in the appeal package?
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2014 11:03     Subject: Re:Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Will be in.


Just curious.. do the other scores like NAT and CoGAT matter? Real question.


Bump...can someone respond..


IME, the NNAT and CoGAT matter if you don't submit a WISC. A high WISC seems like it outweighs a low NNAT/CoGAT. I can't say a high NNAT/CoGAT will outweigh a "low" WISC because I doubt most people whose kid has a WISC below 125 submit the results. (Yes, I know 125 isn't low in the real world, but in AAP-land, it seems to be.) If the NNAT and CoGAT are low and don't submit a WISC, low scores can be counterbalanced by a high GBRS and the other optional materials. But I'm not an expert. I'm just speaking from my own kid's experience. Your mileage may vary.


Thanks. DC has NNAT & CoGAT below cutoff. WISC is 144. GBRS 9. DC has a photographic memory, but won't speak a word until asked to. Remembers stuff (academic and non-academic) from 5 years back. 4s in Math, science, SS. 3s & 4s in others.


My kid got in via appeal process last year, and we are in this again for my other kid this year. The GBRS was 9 and his NNAT/CogNAT was at the cut off level (125). Took WISC and scored FSIQ=152 with all the subscores in 145+ ranges. He got in on appeal. Did the same for the other kid with WISC 148, GBRS = 8 and submitted with the original file, got rejected. I have no idea what's going on with the system so I am appealing anyway. But I cannot figure out their process and what score takes precendence over what and when! Not to mention, for my first kid the same teacher who gave GBRS=9 told me to apply for AAP since she felt GE was making him bored! Crazzzy!
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2014 10:48     Subject: Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Is SB = 132 enough to overcome GBRS of 8?
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2014 10:00     Subject: Re:Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Will be in.


Just curious.. do the other scores like NAT and CoGAT matter? Real question.


Bump...can someone respond..


IME, the NNAT and CoGAT matter if you don't submit a WISC. A high WISC seems like it outweighs a low NNAT/CoGAT. I can't say a high NNAT/CoGAT will outweigh a "low" WISC because I doubt most people whose kid has a WISC below 125 submit the results. (Yes, I know 125 isn't low in the real world, but in AAP-land, it seems to be.) If the NNAT and CoGAT are low and don't submit a WISC, low scores can be counterbalanced by a high GBRS and the other optional materials. But I'm not an expert. I'm just speaking from my own kid's experience. Your mileage may vary.


Thanks. DC has NNAT & CoGAT below cutoff. WISC is 144. GBRS 9. DC has a photographic memory, but won't speak a word until asked to. Remembers stuff (academic and non-academic) from 5 years back. 4s in Math, science, SS. 3s & 4s in others.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2014 09:30     Subject: Re:Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Will be in.


Just curious.. do the other scores like NAT and CoGAT matter? Real question.


Bump...can someone respond..


IME, the NNAT and CoGAT matter if you don't submit a WISC. A high WISC seems like it outweighs a low NNAT/CoGAT. I can't say a high NNAT/CoGAT will outweigh a "low" WISC because I doubt most people whose kid has a WISC below 125 submit the results. (Yes, I know 125 isn't low in the real world, but in AAP-land, it seems to be.) If the NNAT and CoGAT are low and don't submit a WISC, low scores can be counterbalanced by a high GBRS and the other optional materials. But I'm not an expert. I'm just speaking from my own kid's experience. Your mileage may vary.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2014 08:14     Subject: Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
So, so tired of the people pretending to be AARTs and retired AARTs.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2014 08:03     Subject: Re:Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Will be in.


Just curious.. do the other scores like NAT and CoGAT matter? Real question.


Bump...can someone respond..
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2014 07:29     Subject: Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anonymous wrote:
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The AAP program is for "gifted" children. These scores are good and you do have a bright kid but is not gifted. Please don't force your kids or they will turn into depressed teenagers later on. I do volunteer in the AAP class and I see the "average" kids who were pushed into the program and are struggling (now in 6th grade), rememeber that the program gets harder as they advance into elem classes. The classes become crowded only because parents think being in AAP is kind of social status, it is not, really leave your kids be happy. This is a bright kid who would do very well in gen ed which helps build his/her self steem and same kid would struggle in AAP which will destroy his/her self steem.


What about the possibility that it can go both ways?
How about that fully capable child who didn't get referred into AAP but is far too advanced for Gen Ed? (and I call this kid "advanced" rather than "gifted" because it IS the Advanced Academics Program, not the Gifted and Talented Program. What happens to this child's self esteem? Will this kid be happy? Ever been in a job you were overqualified for? Surely that didn't make you feel challenged. We worry too much about those average kids whose self esteem might tank from not being able to keep up with the geniuses at AAP.

Even those geniuses at AAP can have poor self-esteem. Just because you have a high IQ doesn't mean you will have high self-esteem.


Nobody suggested the AAP kids are geniuses, and nobody said gifted/advanced kids should not apply. The comment was for an individual case where according to scores the kids was not gifted (gifted as IQ scale gifted). And yes there is no relationship with high IQ and selfsteem, what was said was that pushing kids in difficult programs could bring the selfsteem. This is a retired AART which is going volunteer works in AAP classes now. Good luck to all of you!
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2014 07:02     Subject: Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


The AAP program is for "gifted" children. These scores are good and you do have a bright kid but is not gifted. Please don't force your kids or they will turn into depressed teenagers later on. I do volunteer in the AAP class and I see the "average" kids who were pushed into the program and are struggling (now in 6th grade), rememeber that the program gets harder as they advance into elem classes. The classes become crowded only because parents think being in AAP is kind of social status, it is not, really leave your kids be happy. This is a bright kid who would do very well in gen ed which helps build his/her self steem and same kid would struggle in AAP which will destroy his/her self steem.


What about the possibility that it can go both ways?
How about that fully capable child who didn't get referred into AAP but is far too advanced for Gen Ed? (and I call this kid "advanced" rather than "gifted" because it IS the Advanced Academics Program, not the Gifted and Talented Program. What happens to this child's self esteem? Will this kid be happy? Ever been in a job you were overqualified for? Surely that didn't make you feel challenged. We worry too much about those average kids whose self esteem might tank from not being able to keep up with the geniuses at AAP.

Even those geniuses at AAP can have poor self-esteem. Just because you have a high IQ doesn't mean you will have high self-esteem.


I agree with you with one exception: AAP kids are not geniuses, by any stretch of the imagination. Hopefully you were just being facetious?
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2014 23:00     Subject: Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anonymous wrote:


The AAP program is for "gifted" children. These scores are good and you do have a bright kid but is not gifted. Please don't force your kids or they will turn into depressed teenagers later on. I do volunteer in the AAP class and I see the "average" kids who were pushed into the program and are struggling (now in 6th grade), rememeber that the program gets harder as they advance into elem classes. The classes become crowded only because parents think being in AAP is kind of social status, it is not, really leave your kids be happy. This is a bright kid who would do very well in gen ed which helps build his/her self steem and same kid would struggle in AAP which will destroy his/her self steem.


What about the possibility that it can go both ways?
How about that fully capable child who didn't get referred into AAP but is far too advanced for Gen Ed? (and I call this kid "advanced" rather than "gifted" because it IS the Advanced Academics Program, not the Gifted and Talented Program. What happens to this child's self esteem? Will this kid be happy? Ever been in a job you were overqualified for? Surely that didn't make you feel challenged. We worry too much about those average kids whose self esteem might tank from not being able to keep up with the geniuses at AAP.

Even those geniuses at AAP can have poor self-esteem. Just because you have a high IQ doesn't mean you will have high self-esteem.
Anonymous
Post 06/10/2014 21:20     Subject: Re:Fairfax County GT/AAP Appeals.
Anonymous wrote:Will be in.


Just curious.. do the other scores like NAT and CoGAT matter? Real question.