Anonymous wrote:whatever-

the point here isnt whether this is good speech- the nazis in skokie werent advoicating anything decent either, it was horrific- they marched in skokie b/c they wanted to show nazi insignia and brown shirts to holocaust survivors. they wanted them to feel like teh terror would continue and the first amendment protected that despite the psycholigical impact in the victims. The question at issue is whether the first amendment applies to green card holders. An american citizen can stand on a street corner and shout horrible things all day long, in cities they can shout 24/7, if they arent literally egging a crowd on to lybch somone or throw a grenade right that second, it is protected speech no matter how distasteful or harmful, the 1st amendment protects harmful speech- it stops short of speech that causes immediate physical violence. but is it applicable to non-citizens??

I just don’t believe that, unfortunately. We know exactly what the response of all the people in this thread moaning about this would have been if Khalil had been a woman going to rallies saying “transgender women are men.”

Let’s say that Riley Gaines had been a student athlete recruited from abroad, for instance, and stood up to talk about her experiences racing against Lia Thomas. Exactly zero of the passionate defenders of Khalil here or elsewhere would have said a single thing to defend Gaines-the-immigrant. No, they would have been bending over backwards to defend her arrest and deportation. The Congressional Democrats would certainly not have been putting out tweets saying “Free Gaines.”

I just don’t buy the argument that this is purely a free speech issue, and that Khalil’s supporters are good, patriotic Americans only concerned about free speech, because the minute you substitute in a hypothetical with different speech, the example falls apart.

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Anonymous wrote:Only a judge can revoke a green card. He’s testing you, America. Fight for this man to receive due process and for his right to free speech or he’ll come for you next.

Next trump will go after anti Russia protesters.

Yes I think this is the plan. Once he gets people used to deporting a brown person who people may not be so sympathetic too.

He's not yet sure if his base would be okay with deporting someone who looks like them. They need to get more used to totalitarianism.

Anonymous wrote:I just can’t get over all the people who would not use the word “kidnapped” to refer to the baby hostages that were later executed by ordinary non-Hamas Palestinians by being strangled to death, but now want me to apparently refer to the arrest of a foreign national that supported the murders of those babies as a “kidnapping.”

I don't care about this

The Middle East has always been a mess. Best to leave them to it.

But this man has been kidnapped by the federal ICE agents. That's a bad precedent for this country i live in. You can get over it or not if you want.

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the point here isnt whether this is good speech- the nazis in skokie werent advoicating anything decent either, it was horrific- they marched in skokie b/c they wanted to show nazi insignia and brown shirts to holocaust survivors. they wanted them to feel like teh terror would continue and the first amendment protected that despite the psycholigical impact in the victims. The question at issue is wether the first amendment applies to green card holders. An american citizen can stand on a street corner and shout horrible things all day long, in cities they can shout 24/7, if they arent literally egging a crowd on to lybch somone or throw a grenade right that second, it is protected speech no matter how distasteful or harmful, the 1st amendment protects harmful speech- it stops short of speech that causes immediate physical violence. but is it applicable to non-citizens??

Anonymous wrote:Yeh go!

Need to deport all green card holders as scabs

I'm familiar with this word. I came from this background.

I know with your using it that these green card holder's labor as a whole will be more valuable to America than whatever you are doing on your 7-3:30 job (with half hour for lunch, thanks to a Democrat supported union.)

I just can’t get over all the people who would not use the word “kidnapped” to refer to the baby hostages that were later executed by ordinary non-Hamas Palestinians by being strangled to death, but now want me to apparently refer to the arrest of a foreign national that supported the murders of those babies as a “kidnapping.”

Anonymous wrote:Only a judge can revoke a green card. He’s testing you, America. Fight for this man to receive due process and for his right to free speech or he’ll come for you next.

Next trump will go after anti Russia protesters.

Yeh go!

Need to deport all green card holders as scabs

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Anonymous wrote:Only 1 baby died on 10/7.

We were told 40 were beheaded. Netanyahu told our president that then denied it to his own people the next day saying he was just putting on to Americans

Israel is tricky but they aren’t smart

One baby was murdered. Not “died.” Was murdered.

God, you are disgusting in your refusal to even say the truth.

Guess you can not address the facts that show your lies?

Oh. You are a 10/7 denialist. Well, out here in reality, most people know that Hamas executed children that day. We know this in part because they live-streamed it.

But sure, keep on with your lies that Hamas that Hamas didn’t execute children on 10/7. Everyone who isn’t insane sees through that.

You Hamas trolls are so tiresome.

DP

10/7 was awful, condemnable, and Hamas should be held accountable for any of the ~ 700 innocent lives they maimed or killed during or after that attack (i.e., whether that day or while held hostage since then).

But something tells me that you don’t feel the same condemnation about the 85,000 (or whatever that number has risen to in the past few months) innocent lives that Israel has maimed or killed since then …

And that really sums up the actual underlying root cause of this conflict, quite neatly actually.

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Anonymous wrote:Who paid for his education at Columbia?

Likely his middle eastern family that owns oil, who else would sponsor him?!

Oh yeah, Palestinians are swimming in oil, there’s just so much of it

Do you not realize that most Palestinians are poor because they live under a brutal military occupation?

If you read the links at the beginning of this thread, he's from Syria. According to Google there are 60+ billionaires in Syria. I have no idea whether he had a scholarship or comes from money but usually colleges like international students because they are full-pay. He originally had a student visa, and the US used to require that the student prove they had $10k for support while in the US.

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Anonymous wrote:Only 1 baby died on 10/7.

We were told 40 were beheaded. Netanyahu told our president that then denied it to his own people the next day saying he was just putting on to Americans

Israel is tricky but they aren’t smart

One baby was murdered. Not “died.” Was murdered.

God, you are disgusting in your refusal to even say the truth.

Guess you can not address the facts that show your lies?

Oh. You are a 10/7 denialist. Well, out here in reality, most people know that Hamas executed children that day. We know this in part because they live-streamed it.

But sure, keep on with your lies that Hamas that Hamas didn’t execute children on 10/7. Everyone who isn’t insane sees through that.

You Hamas trolls are so tiresome.

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Anonymous wrote:Only 1 baby died on 10/7.

We were told 40 were beheaded. Netanyahu told our president that then denied it to his own people the next day saying he was just putting on to Americans

Israel is tricky but they aren’t smart

One baby was murdered. Not “died.” Was murdered.

God, you are disgusting in your refusal to even say the truth.

Guess you can not address the facts that show your lies?

Anonymous wrote:Only 1 baby died on 10/7.

We were told 40 were beheaded. Netanyahu told our president that then denied it to his own people the next day saying he was just putting on to Americans

Israel is tricky but they aren’t smart

One baby was murdered. Not “died.” Was murdered.

God, you are disgusting in your refusal to even say the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Who paid for his education at Columbia?

This is actually quite a good question. Arabs , just like Jews, also are white on the census so they don’t qualify as affirmative action/DEI.

I am going to guess he received a scholarship wowing the admissions committee with the story of how he was A second generation Palestinian born in a. Refugee camp in Syria after Zionists burned half his village down in 1948 or 1967 or 1982?

OR maybe not all “Arabs”are as down and out as you think they are and have family resources to draw upon. Hmm?

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Anonymous wrote:These last several posts are the machinations of sick, deranged people. The protests were about calling for a ceasefire to stop the CURRENT indiscriminate Israeli slaughter of innocent men, women and children in Gaza. Which, incidentally, the entire world, aside from the U.S. and Israel, agree on. That’s it.

No support for Hamas. No endorsement or support, material or otherwise, for any organization that harms / harmed innocents. No indifference to the plight of the hostages, or their loved ones desperately seeking their safe return. No calls for the destruction of Israel. No calls for harm to Jewish individuals here or anywhere else. None of that.

The distortion of those facts, on the basis of an enduring hatred and disdain of others perceived as lesser than, is astounding. All of you making these claims are truly unwell.

“Unwell” are people like you with your continual and unending gaslighting. Do you think we can’t see the videos and photos released by actual protestors at the protests? You don’t think we see the Hamas armbands? The backpacks with paragliders on them? The official statements from various groups comparing the 10/7 murderers to freedom fighters? The silence on the hostages, the tearing down of photos of kidnapped babies, the vandalism, and the violence?

We saw all that. And you can’t pretend it didn’t happen.

You are the unwell one, with your delusions and your lies. But unfortunately for you, the student protestors were proud of their support of Hamas, and let us all know about it through their own actions, which they helpfully documented. And so the country reacted accordingly.

Nobody expected a true believer like you to recognize that you are truly unwell. And the post wasn’t intended to relieve you of those delusions anyway. It was intended to reassure others that opposing fascism is always the right thing to do.

I’m curious: do you understand just how extremist you are considered outside your radical left bubble? Do you understand that across the country, you’d be considered the unwell one?

Extremist? How so? For having a moral compass at the center of my belief system? For criticizing the indiscriminate killing of innocents? For agreeing with 95%+ of the global population that the right of self-defense does not authorize genocidal actions taken by a foreign nation? For believing the founding fathers of my country, who engaged in quite a few acts that would be characterized as “terrorism” today, enshrined my right to free speech centuries ago?

Do tell, self-anointed everyman!

😳

You are too crazy to talk with. But I suspect the answer is no, you do not understand just how extremist you sound to most Americans, who simply aren’t going to defend 10/7 like you do.

Also, you are wrong about global attitudes. But again, you are too far gone to have a reasonable discussion.

Global attitudes?! Did you bury your head in THAT much sand over the past two years as the U.S., Israel, and basically a handful of micro-states beholden to the U.S. for WB / USAID reasons were the only things standing in the way of the entire U.N. membership denouncing Israel’s policies and actions?!

Approx. 190 nations and their representatives speaking for over 95% of the global population voted to condemn Israel’s policies and actions.

How have you missed all of that, Magoo?

Ah, yes. All the global speaking. So much global speaking. Many, many, many global words. Much talk.

But no actual action. No opening of borders. No offers to rehome Palestinians in a new country. No refusal of US aid. Nothing that would actually require work, money, and risk.

You’ll forgive me if I’m not persuaded by loud and repetitive words. Get back to me when all the many, many speakers in the world are willing lift even the tiniest of fingers to back their many, many, many words.

??

Are you trying to dehumanize Palestinians?

Well I know several Palestinians living in the US. They are mostly educated doctors. They pay plenty of taxes. They are terrified. Are you happy about this?

As I have asked before the on these threads: do you know any Palestinians? Or are all your dehumanizing comments based on myths?