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Anonymous wrote:FCV players are out in large numbers at ECNL practices this week…

And so it begins...

There was a whole group of FCV girls at Union last night and parents wearing FCV gear not even trying to hide it

Wow. Big shake up for ECNL clubs next season. I wish them luck!

Every ECNL club will take the FCV players, it will help them round out our RL teams

It’s parents like these who ruin it for all of the other ECNL parents and give them bad names.

Just so you know I think only one player has defected at this point. She ended up taking a spot on the roster for Bethesda 2010 ECNL and that is probably the best team in our area for that age group.

You think you are funny now until someone like MT ends up at your club and plays the same position as your child/teen.

I’m sorry parents like this ruin it for all of the respectful and intelligent ECNL parents, truly.

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Anonymous wrote:FCV players are out in large numbers at ECNL practices this week…

And so it begins...

There was a whole group of FCV girls at Union last night and parents wearing FCV gear not even trying to hide it

Wow. Big shake up for ECNL clubs next season. I wish them luck!

Every ECNL club will take the FCV players, it will help them round out our RL teams

Or your DD on NL team.

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Anonymous wrote:If that’s the case then why so much talk here about which ECNL/GA teams are better? As long as you are on any of the teams they will be playing at the same events.

Well, everybody wants to be on a winning team, right? It’s fun to win and a lot of parents obviously enjoy bragging about how “awesome” their kids team is. This message board definitely attracts those type of people.

To your point, which I agree with, if your DC is playing in the Jeff Cup showcase weekend, for example, and coaches from a school that they’re interested in and have communicated that interest to are going to be there, they’re going to be able to see your player regardless of whether their team is playing in the top bracket, the bottom bracket or somewhere in between. Yes, the brackets are often spread out among different fields so that may require some traveling, but the point is, if a college coach is interested in you, they’re not going to say “oh no, your team isn’t in a high enough bracket so I’m not going to bother watching you play.” That’s not simply my opinion but rather my experience.

You have some good points. I agree that most parents care about winning instead of their kid's development. However, how does the college recruiter know which kid is good on what team? At Jeff Cup, there are a lot of teams playing. Most likely, the D1 scout will be looking at the top 2 or 3 divisions to spot which player they like. that alone is like 15-20 games for the weekend. I doubt they will be sitting and watching RL games at a lower bracket.

I don't mean this to come off as mean, or condescending, but it's pretty clear that you don't know what you are talking about. College coaches aren't put there "window shopping" in the top 2 or 3 divisions to find kids. They have a list going into the event, with a schedule they plan to follow. The don't just stumble upon games to watch and/or care of the bracket.

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Anonymous wrote:FCV players are out in large numbers at ECNL practices this week…

And so it begins...

There was a whole group of FCV girls at Union last night and parents wearing FCV gear not even trying to hide it

Wow. Big shake up for ECNL clubs next season. I wish them luck!

Every ECNL club will take the FCV players, it will help them round out our RL teams

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Anonymous wrote:If that’s the case then why so much talk here about which ECNL/GA teams are better? As long as you are on any of the teams they will be playing at the same events.

Well, everybody wants to be on a winning team, right? It’s fun to win and a lot of parents obviously enjoy bragging about how “awesome” their kids team is. This message board definitely attracts those type of people.

To your point, which I agree with, if your DC is playing in the Jeff Cup showcase weekend, for example, and coaches from a school that they’re interested in and have communicated that interest to are going to be there, they’re going to be able to see your player regardless of whether their team is playing in the top bracket, the bottom bracket or somewhere in between. Yes, the brackets are often spread out among different fields so that may require some traveling, but the point is, if a college coach is interested in you, they’re not going to say “oh no, your team isn’t in a high enough bracket so I’m not going to bother watching you play.” That’s not simply my opinion but rather my experience.

You have some good points. I agree that most parents care about winning instead of their kid's development. However, how does the college recruiter know which kid is good on what team? At Jeff Cup, there are a lot of teams playing. Most likely, the D1 scout will be looking at the top 2 or 3 divisions to spot which player they like. that alone is like 15-20 games for the weekend. I doubt they will be sitting and watching RL games at a lower bracket.

This is one of the great misconceptions about college recruiting. Scouts are not just watching random games and looking for players that catch their eye. They already have a list of the players to watch because for weeks leading up to the event players send emails, game film, go to their ID camps, and tell them the schedule for the event. Coaches watching them in person is near the end of the process not the start. The coach is coming to watch them play. They don’t care the division or who the opponent is or the score of the game. They probably won’t watch the entire game.

+1 Truth!!

The difference is the number of coaches that show up at the different Showcases. If coaches have to choose between an ECNL-N, ECNL-R, or GA showcase to look at recruits, they are going to watch the ECNL-N teams first.

They would each lose college coaches to each other, that's why they're typically not scheduled at the same time or slightly overlap, either league wants that. Case in point, GA Playoffs and Showcase are 19-25 June (CA) and ECNL Playoffs are 22-28 June (WA) - if I'm a college coach I'm in CA for the 19th - 23rd take a late afternoon flight to WA and be there for 24th - 28th, I get 5 days in each location scouting players.

Now the Finals are at the same time, but that's one event for the whole year, and a college coach isn't going to make a decision on going to ECNL or GA based on the league, they're going to go to the one that has the most of the players that they are scouting and it will be different for every coach.

I agree with what you are saying except for one thing: Their budget. If they have to choose, it's ECNL first or the number of players they are recruiting at a certain event. I also heard any National Championship Tournament is their first choice since the quality of play is so high, all of the higher level players are getting major minutes against other top quality players (substitution is minimal), and player intensity/pressure is at it's highest level.

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Anonymous wrote:If that’s the case then why so much talk here about which ECNL/GA teams are better? As long as you are on any of the teams they will be playing at the same events.

Well, everybody wants to be on a winning team, right? It’s fun to win and a lot of parents obviously enjoy bragging about how “awesome” their kids team is. This message board definitely attracts those type of people.

To your point, which I agree with, if your DC is playing in the Jeff Cup showcase weekend, for example, and coaches from a school that they’re interested in and have communicated that interest to are going to be there, they’re going to be able to see your player regardless of whether their team is playing in the top bracket, the bottom bracket or somewhere in between. Yes, the brackets are often spread out among different fields so that may require some traveling, but the point is, if a college coach is interested in you, they’re not going to say “oh no, your team isn’t in a high enough bracket so I’m not going to bother watching you play.” That’s not simply my opinion but rather my experience.

You have some good points. I agree that most parents care about winning instead of their kid's development. However, how does the college recruiter know which kid is good on what team? At Jeff Cup, there are a lot of teams playing. Most likely, the D1 scout will be looking at the top 2 or 3 divisions to spot which player they like. that alone is like 15-20 games for the weekend. I doubt they will be sitting and watching RL games at a lower bracket.

This is one of the great misconceptions about college recruiting. Scouts are not just watching random games and looking for players that catch their eye. They already have a list of the players to watch because for weeks leading up to the event players send emails, game film, go to their ID camps, and tell them the schedule for the event. Coaches watching them in person is near the end of the process not the start. The coach is coming to watch them play. They don’t care the division or who the opponent is or the score of the game. They probably won’t watch the entire game.

+1 Truth!!

The difference is the number of coaches that show up at the different Showcases. If coaches have to choose between an ECNL-N, ECNL-R, or GA showcase to look at recruits, they are going to watch the ECNL-N teams first.

They would each lose college coaches to each other, that's why they're typically not scheduled at the same time or slightly overlap, either league wants that. Case in point, GA Playoffs and Showcase are 19-25 June (CA) and ECNL Playoffs are 22-28 June (WA) - if I'm a college coach I'm in CA for the 19th - 23rd take a late afternoon flight to WA and be there for 24th - 28th, I get 5 days in each location scouting players.

Now the Finals are at the same time, but that's one event for the whole year, and a college coach isn't going to make a decision on going to ECNL or GA based on the league, they're going to go to the one that has the most of the players that they are scouting and it will be different for every coach.

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Anonymous wrote:If that’s the case then why so much talk here about which ECNL/GA teams are better? As long as you are on any of the teams they will be playing at the same events.

Well, everybody wants to be on a winning team, right? It’s fun to win and a lot of parents obviously enjoy bragging about how “awesome” their kids team is. This message board definitely attracts those type of people.

To your point, which I agree with, if your DC is playing in the Jeff Cup showcase weekend, for example, and coaches from a school that they’re interested in and have communicated that interest to are going to be there, they’re going to be able to see your player regardless of whether their team is playing in the top bracket, the bottom bracket or somewhere in between. Yes, the brackets are often spread out among different fields so that may require some traveling, but the point is, if a college coach is interested in you, they’re not going to say “oh no, your team isn’t in a high enough bracket so I’m not going to bother watching you play.” That’s not simply my opinion but rather my experience.

You have some good points. I agree that most parents care about winning instead of their kid's development. However, how does the college recruiter know which kid is good on what team? At Jeff Cup, there are a lot of teams playing. Most likely, the D1 scout will be looking at the top 2 or 3 divisions to spot which player they like. that alone is like 15-20 games for the weekend. I doubt they will be sitting and watching RL games at a lower bracket.

This is one of the great misconceptions about college recruiting. Scouts are not just watching random games and looking for players that catch their eye. They already have a list of the players to watch because for weeks leading up to the event players send emails, game film, go to their ID camps, and tell them the schedule for the event. Coaches watching them in person is near the end of the process not the start. The coach is coming to watch them play. They don’t care the division or who the opponent is or the score of the game. They probably won’t watch the entire game.

+1 Truth!!

Talking with college coaches over the last year, they are looking for different aspects depending on the school. High academic schools, especially DIII programs, are looking for grades first. If you can't get in the school, they aren't interested in you. Don't even waste the coaches and your time. DI programs have more leeway with grades, but just a little. For instance, they can get you into Harvard if you are a good player and have a 3.8 or 3.9, but then they will have to find another player that has a 4.5 to raise the team GPA.

From a skill standpoint, they are first looking for touch on the ball, quickness, and open field speed. Then they start looking for other player aspects, such as finishing, vision, strength, leadership, etc.

For players in ECNL-National, coaches see these qualities in ever game by multiple players, and on some teams, by every player. In ENCL-Regional, I was told they have to watch 3 games before they find a few kids with these skills.

Some academies have their top teams in ECNL-R and so they have a higher possibility of some players with the qualities they are looking for, or maybe the club is great at development and so have an ECNL-N and ECNL-R team packed full of talent.

The difference is the number of coaches that show up at the different Showcases. If coaches have to choose between an ECNL-N, ECNL-R, or GA showcase to look at recruits, they are going to watch the ECNL-N teams first.

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Anonymous wrote:If that’s the case then why so much talk here about which ECNL/GA teams are better? As long as you are on any of the teams they will be playing at the same events.

Well, everybody wants to be on a winning team, right? It’s fun to win and a lot of parents obviously enjoy bragging about how “awesome” their kids team is. This message board definitely attracts those type of people.

To your point, which I agree with, if your DC is playing in the Jeff Cup showcase weekend, for example, and coaches from a school that they’re interested in and have communicated that interest to are going to be there, they’re going to be able to see your player regardless of whether their team is playing in the top bracket, the bottom bracket or somewhere in between. Yes, the brackets are often spread out among different fields so that may require some traveling, but the point is, if a college coach is interested in you, they’re not going to say “oh no, your team isn’t in a high enough bracket so I’m not going to bother watching you play.” That’s not simply my opinion but rather my experience.

You have some good points. I agree that most parents care about winning instead of their kid's development. However, how does the college recruiter know which kid is good on what team? At Jeff Cup, there are a lot of teams playing. Most likely, the D1 scout will be looking at the top 2 or 3 divisions to spot which player they like. that alone is like 15-20 games for the weekend. I doubt they will be sitting and watching RL games at a lower bracket.

This is one of the great misconceptions about college recruiting. Scouts are not just watching random games and looking for players that catch their eye. They already have a list of the players to watch because for weeks leading up to the event players send emails, game film, go to their ID camps, and tell them the schedule for the event. Coaches watching them in person is near the end of the process not the start. The coach is coming to watch them play. They don’t care the division or who the opponent is or the score of the game. They probably won’t watch the entire game.

+1 Truth!!

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Anonymous wrote:If that’s the case then why so much talk here about which ECNL/GA teams are better? As long as you are on any of the teams they will be playing at the same events.

Well, everybody wants to be on a winning team, right? It’s fun to win and a lot of parents obviously enjoy bragging about how “awesome” their kids team is. This message board definitely attracts those type of people.

To your point, which I agree with, if your DC is playing in the Jeff Cup showcase weekend, for example, and coaches from a school that they’re interested in and have communicated that interest to are going to be there, they’re going to be able to see your player regardless of whether their team is playing in the top bracket, the bottom bracket or somewhere in between. Yes, the brackets are often spread out among different fields so that may require some traveling, but the point is, if a college coach is interested in you, they’re not going to say “oh no, your team isn’t in a high enough bracket so I’m not going to bother watching you play.” That’s not simply my opinion but rather my experience.

You have some good points. I agree that most parents care about winning instead of their kid's development. However, how does the college recruiter know which kid is good on what team? At Jeff Cup, there are a lot of teams playing. Most likely, the D1 scout will be looking at the top 2 or 3 divisions to spot which player they like. that alone is like 15-20 games for the weekend. I doubt they will be sitting and watching RL games at a lower bracket.

This is one of the great misconceptions about college recruiting. Scouts are not just watching random games and looking for players that catch their eye. They already have a list of the players to watch because for weeks leading up to the event players send emails, game film, go to their ID camps, and tell them the schedule for the event. Coaches watching them in person is near the end of the process not the start. The coach is coming to watch them play. They don’t care the division or who the opponent is or the score of the game. They probably won’t watch the entire game.

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Anonymous wrote:If that’s the case then why so much talk here about which ECNL/GA teams are better? As long as you are on any of the teams they will be playing at the same events.

Well, everybody wants to be on a winning team, right? It’s fun to win and a lot of parents obviously enjoy bragging about how “awesome” their kids team is. This message board definitely attracts those type of people.

To your point, which I agree with, if your DC is playing in the Jeff Cup showcase weekend, for example, and coaches from a school that they’re interested in and have communicated that interest to are going to be there, they’re going to be able to see your player regardless of whether their team is playing in the top bracket, the bottom bracket or somewhere in between. Yes, the brackets are often spread out among different fields so that may require some traveling, but the point is, if a college coach is interested in you, they’re not going to say “oh no, your team isn’t in a high enough bracket so I’m not going to bother watching you play.” That’s not simply my opinion but rather my experience.

You have some good points. I agree that most parents care about winning instead of their kid's development. However, how does the college recruiter know which kid is good on what team? At Jeff Cup, there are a lot of teams playing. Most likely, the D1 scout will be looking at the top 2 or 3 divisions to spot which player they like. that alone is like 15-20 games for the weekend. I doubt they will be sitting and watching RL games at a lower bracket.

Scouts usually aren't just watching games blindly.

Players and Parents contact College Coaches and hype their kid + GPA. If the coach likes what they see and needs a player in that role they'll check them out at a game.

For YNT scouts usually the DOCs at clubs give them recommendations. Sometimes they check out the player sometimes they just take the DOCs word and see how they do in an ID Camp.

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Anonymous wrote:If that’s the case then why so much talk here about which ECNL/GA teams are better? As long as you are on any of the teams they will be playing at the same events.

Well, everybody wants to be on a winning team, right? It’s fun to win and a lot of parents obviously enjoy bragging about how “awesome” their kids team is. This message board definitely attracts those type of people.

To your point, which I agree with, if your DC is playing in the Jeff Cup showcase weekend, for example, and coaches from a school that they’re interested in and have communicated that interest to are going to be there, they’re going to be able to see your player regardless of whether their team is playing in the top bracket, the bottom bracket or somewhere in between. Yes, the brackets are often spread out among different fields so that may require some traveling, but the point is, if a college coach is interested in you, they’re not going to say “oh no, your team isn’t in a high enough bracket so I’m not going to bother watching you play.” That’s not simply my opinion but rather my experience.

You have some good points. I agree that most parents care about winning instead of their kid's development. However, how does the college recruiter know which kid is good on what team? At Jeff Cup, there are a lot of teams playing. Most likely, the D1 scout will be looking at the top 2 or 3 divisions to spot which player they like. that alone is like 15-20 games for the weekend. I doubt they will be sitting and watching RL games at a lower bracket.

The kids market themselves. Before players go into showcases or attend college ID events, they're reaching out to coaches giving their highlights, schedules, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:If that’s the case then why so much talk here about which ECNL/GA teams are better? As long as you are on any of the teams they will be playing at the same events.

Well, everybody wants to be on a winning team, right? It’s fun to win and a lot of parents obviously enjoy bragging about how “awesome” their kids team is. This message board definitely attracts those type of people.

To your point, which I agree with, if your DC is playing in the Jeff Cup showcase weekend, for example, and coaches from a school that they’re interested in and have communicated that interest to are going to be there, they’re going to be able to see your player regardless of whether their team is playing in the top bracket, the bottom bracket or somewhere in between. Yes, the brackets are often spread out among different fields so that may require some traveling, but the point is, if a college coach is interested in you, they’re not going to say “oh no, your team isn’t in a high enough bracket so I’m not going to bother watching you play.” That’s not simply my opinion but rather my experience.

You have some good points. I agree that most parents care about winning instead of their kid's development. However, how does the college recruiter know which kid is good on what team? At Jeff Cup, there are a lot of teams playing. Most likely, the D1 scout will be looking at the top 2 or 3 divisions to spot which player they like. that alone is like 15-20 games for the weekend. I doubt they will be sitting and watching RL games at a lower bracket.

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Anonymous wrote:FCV players are out in large numbers at ECNL practices this week…

And so it begins...

There was a whole group of FCV girls at Union last night and parents wearing FCV gear not even trying to hide it

What age groups? Love the parents wearing club gear.

LOL, typical FCV!

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Anonymous wrote:FCV players are out in large numbers at ECNL practices this week…

And so it begins...

There was a whole group of FCV girls at Union last night and parents wearing FCV gear not even trying to hide it

What age groups? Love the parents wearing club gear.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCV players are out in large numbers at ECNL practices this week…

And so it begins...

There was a whole group of FCV girls at Union last night and parents wearing FCV gear not even trying to hide it

Wow. Big shake up for ECNL clubs next season. I wish them luck!