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Anonymous wrote:I'm still shocked that Michigan and UNC are at 21 and 22. They can't hold a candle too UVA. Everyone in my social circle regards UVA in the same tier as the lower ivies, Michigan and UNC are bottom tier party schools

Maybe you need to braoden your social circle?

I get it, but in reality, at Michigan, virtually every single program/department within the University is top 10, or even top 5 in the country. UVa cannot come close to saying the same thing.

The UVA boosters in the forum really need to take a step back.

On the west coast, Michigan is considered around the level of Berkeley and UCLA. UVA is not, though I can’t speak for the south. No one would think of it as equivalent to a lower tier Ivy here.

Anonymous wrote:These rankings are becoming less relevant. UMC and wealthy families seem to be diverging from USNWR and towards some other source of information (network of private HS college counselors, secret book?). I think the increased focus on Pell grant recipients/first gen just exacerbates the pressures not to provide any support to UMC/ UC families outside the 1% --and UMC includes very much MC families in HCOLA. So instead, these families are going to institutions that provide merit aid or more robust financial aid for higher income families. So these institutions are attracting more strong UMC families--which is what many people want in terms of developing social networks etc. The rankings are diverging from reality--and with test optional there's less of a way to consistently judge merit.

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Anonymous wrote:Tufts is probably being punished because it skews wealthy. Not enough Pell grant and first gen admits.

So, people, if you think it's hard to get into a highly rejective school, it will be even harder now with schools gaming the system and admit more Pell grants and First gen students.

so why is duke up?

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Anonymous wrote:Tufts is probably being punished because it skews wealthy. Not enough Pell grant and first gen admits.

So, people, if you think it's hard to get into a highly rejective school, it will be even harder now with schools gaming the system and admit more Pell grants and First gen students.

so why is duke up?

Anonymous wrote:Tufts is probably being punished because it skews wealthy. Not enough Pell grant and first gen admits.

So, people, if you think it's hard to get into a highly rejective school, it will be even harder now with schools gaming the system and admit more Pell grants and First gen students.

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Anonymous wrote:Guys if you think your state school is on par w a “lower Ivy” and yet all rankings tell you something different, the problem is you

Depends on the state school. UVA is the best school in the South, so it probably is.

Which south are we talking about? The one with Duke, Vandy, Rice and Emory?

Vandy, Rice, and Emory all trended down this year, UVA trended up and isn't stopping anytime soon. Duke is just a basketball school.

UVA trended up to the #5 public.

It’s obvious that a troll is deliberately trying to make UVA look bad.

It's all about momentum. You want your kid to end up at a school that will continue paying off 10, 20 years down the road. UVA is only going up, and based on potential it's the best school in the South. I'm not saying it's the best school everywhere, just the South, which I think is more than reasonable. The extremely loyal alumni base helps kids get top jobs and opportunities anywhere in the country, not just the South. It's law and business schools are also by far the best in the South. Not sure what there is to discuss here.

It’s almost like you’re willfully voiding the entire existence of Duke.

Again, Duke is just a basketball school. Kids with actual academic ambitions don't go there. On the other hand, UVA funnels in dozens of geniuses from TJ every year, and all of those kids are more capable than any kid at Duke.

I can’t tell if this is a troll post or not. Duke funnels a lot of kids from NCSSM, which is also a phenomenal school. It’s ranked right with Stanford and Harvard for research funding. It has top law, medicine, and business programs. Campus is beautiful and it’s a relatively “new” school. And it does all of this while still having a great sports and social culture.

Duke isn't really a peer of Harvard and Stanford though (for undergrad, law, med, or business school) is it? I don't think Chicago would even consider Duke as a true peer professional school wise but it probably would for undergrad.

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Anonymous wrote:Guys if you think your state school is on par w a “lower Ivy” and yet all rankings tell you something different, the problem is you

Depends on the state school. UVA is the best school in the South, so it probably is.

Which south are we talking about? The one with Duke, Vandy, Rice and Emory?

Vandy, Rice, and Emory all trended down this year, UVA trended up and isn't stopping anytime soon. Duke is just a basketball school.

UVA trended up to the #5 public.

It’s obvious that a troll is deliberately trying to make UVA look bad.

It's all about momentum. You want your kid to end up at a school that will continue paying off 10, 20 years down the road. UVA is only going up, and based on potential it's the best school in the South. I'm not saying it's the best school everywhere, just the South, which I think is more than reasonable. The extremely loyal alumni base helps kids get top jobs and opportunities anywhere in the country, not just the South. It's law and business schools are also by far the best in the South. Not sure what there is to discuss here.

It’s almost like you’re willfully voiding the entire existence of Duke.

Again, Duke is just a basketball school. Kids with actual academic ambitions don't go there. On the other hand, UVA funnels in dozens of geniuses from TJ every year, and all of those kids are more capable than any kid at Duke.

I can’t tell if this is a troll post or not. Duke funnels a lot of kids from NCSSM, which is also a phenomenal school. It’s ranked right with Stanford and Harvard for research funding. It has top law, medicine, and business programs. Campus is beautiful and it’s a relatively “new” school. And it does all of this while still having a great sports and social culture.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is 47
W&M has fallen to 53

UMD gives alot of aid to First Gen, Low income, and URM. This is why they have risen so much in the rankings.

This isn’t about UMD?

dp.. I think the UMD poster is giving an example of why a college could have gone up in the ranks.

Someone posted in another thread that the pell grant factor was only an extra .5% in the ranking. I don't know if that's true.

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Anonymous wrote:Guys if you think your state school is on par w a “lower Ivy” and yet all rankings tell you something different, the problem is you

Depends on the state school. UVA is the best school in the South, so it probably is.

Which south are we talking about? The one with Duke, Vandy, Rice and Emory?

Vandy, Rice, and Emory all trended down this year, UVA trended up and isn't stopping anytime soon. Duke is just a basketball school.

UVA trended up to the #5 public.

It’s obvious that a troll is deliberately trying to make UVA look bad.

Anonymous wrote:UVA moves UP in the USNews rankings, and the haters are out in full force. I love it!

Please save your ammo for Wake, William & Mary, Tulane, Tufts, NYU, etc. Who dropped like a stone. Drop it like it’s hot!

Ha.

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Anonymous wrote:Tufts is probably being punished because it skews wealthy. Not enough Pell grant and first gen admits.

So, people, if you think it's hard to get into a highly rejective school, it will be even harder now with schools gaming the system and admit more Pell grants and First gen students.

How do I get my kid pell grants and make them first gen? Can I just not identify as their parent?

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Anonymous wrote:Guys if you think your state school is on par w a “lower Ivy” and yet all rankings tell you something different, the problem is you

Depends on the state school. UVA is the best school in the South, so it probably is.

Which south are we talking about? The one with Duke, Vandy, Rice and Emory?

Vandy, Rice, and Emory all trended down this year, UVA trended up and isn't stopping anytime soon. Duke is just a basketball school.

UVA trended up to the #5 public.

It’s obvious that a troll is deliberately trying to make UVA look bad.

It's all about momentum. You want your kid to end up at a school that will continue paying off 10, 20 years down the road. UVA is only going up, and based on potential it's the best school in the South. I'm not saying it's the best school everywhere, just the South, which I think is more than reasonable. The extremely loyal alumni base helps kids get top jobs and opportunities anywhere in the country, not just the South. It's law and business schools are also by far the best in the South. Not sure what there is to discuss here.

It’s almost like you’re willfully voiding the entire existence of Duke.