Anonymous
05/02/2023 14:34
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Social media has been awash with Ukrainian propaganda/ music videos of Russian tanks being destroyed, etc.
Even now people post like the above of the Ukrainian victory at Bakhmyt.
You are being lied to. For you it’s just debt. For Ukraine, it is unspeakable suffering.
You're saying that Ukraine losing to Russia and becoming a Russian state is less suffering for Ukraine than winning? How so?
Look at the reality of life in Donbass over the last eight years and ask yourself why they should care.
How about the people who were living there 9 years ago? Oh, they're gone...
Anonymous
05/02/2023 14:33
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
They are using NATO models for estimating casualties. Obviously, it's impossible to have a 100 percent accurate count in a war of this scale where more than a 1000 soldiers on both sides are dying every day. Ukraine has admitted to presently having more than 7500 MIAs, presumably dead. God knows how many Russians are presently fertilizing Ukrainian land.
But I think Ukraine has a pretty good internal sense of what the true casualty count is. That being said, I would take their public statements with a grain of salt. I believe they're publicly stating that roughly 195,000 Russian soldiers have been killed. That's probably not quite true. 195,000 total Russian casualties - killed and injured - is probably more accurate. 1:2 KIA vs injured is probably a reasonable ratio since Russian battlefield medical is nonexistent and without air superiority they can't do air medevacs. Given that the Russians started with an invading force of 200,000 this has been an absolute catastrophe for them. Of course, it's been awful for Ukrainians too but they are fighting for their families and their homes and they will endure it until the last man standing. It's a grim war and it's only going to get worse in the months ahead.
I hate to break it to you but there is a chunk of Ukraine that doesn't care who rules it, as long as the shooting stops. Independence is a goal for many Ukrainians but not all.
Yes just like Texas.
Anonymous
05/02/2023 14:31
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is running out of resorts- including young men. Time for peace. Lives can be saved.
This has been a talking point that has started circulating from the vatnik social media sphere by Russian troll farms.
It signals a shift in the narrative in Russian propaganda from a few months ago, and certainly a huge shift from the beginning of the war. That means that Russia is increasingly feeling the strain of this unsuccessful war.
Sane Americans have been saying that for quite some time.
There is no reporting from that war. Only propaganda, from both sides.
The only reason this "negotiate to save Ukrainian lives" narrative is coming to the surface now, is because the Kremlin is starting to come to the realization that there's no real way for them to achieve their war goals.
Don't fall for the notion that it's some sort of good faith idea to end the war. The Russians just want to hurt support in the West for continuing aid to Ukraine.
Anonymous
05/02/2023 14:27
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Informed by some of the best GEOINT, SIGINT, HUMINT and other sources in the world. Including many people deeply embedded in the Russian military and intelligence services.
Anonymous
05/02/2023 14:25
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Social media has been awash with Ukrainian propaganda/ music videos of Russian tanks being destroyed, etc.
Even now people post like the above of the Ukrainian victory at Bakhmyt.
You are being lied to. For you it’s just debt. For Ukraine, it is unspeakable suffering.
You're saying that Ukraine losing to Russia and becoming a Russian state is less suffering for Ukraine than winning? How so?
Look at the reality of life in Donbass over the last eight years and ask yourself why they should care.
Anonymous
05/02/2023 14:24
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:
They are using NATO models for estimating casualties. Obviously, it's impossible to have a 100 percent accurate count in a war of this scale where more than a 1000 soldiers on both sides are dying every day. Ukraine has admitted to presently having more than 7500 MIAs, presumably dead. God knows how many Russians are presently fertilizing Ukrainian land.
But I think Ukraine has a pretty good internal sense of what the true casualty count is. That being said, I would take their public statements with a grain of salt. I believe they're publicly stating that roughly 195,000 Russian soldiers have been killed. That's probably not quite true. 195,000 total Russian casualties - killed and injured - is probably more accurate. 1:2 KIA vs injured is probably a reasonable ratio since Russian battlefield medical is nonexistent and without air superiority they can't do air medevacs. Given that the Russians started with an invading force of 200,000 this has been an absolute catastrophe for them. Of course, it's been awful for Ukrainians too but they are fighting for their families and their homes and they will endure it until the last man standing. It's a grim war and it's only going to get worse in the months ahead.
I hate to break it to you but there is a chunk of Ukraine that doesn't care who rules it, as long as the shooting stops. Independence is a goal for many Ukrainians but not all.
Anonymous
05/02/2023 14:22
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:
They are using NATO models for estimating casualties. Obviously, it's impossible to have a 100 percent accurate count in a war of this scale where more than a 1000 soldiers on both sides are dying every day. Ukraine has admitted to presently having more than 7500 MIAs, presumably dead. God knows how many Russians are presently fertilizing Ukrainian land.
But I think Ukraine has a pretty good internal sense of what the true casualty count is. That being said, I would take their public statements with a grain of salt. I believe they're publicly stating that roughly 195,000 Russian soldiers have been killed. That's probably not quite true. 195,000 total Russian casualties - killed and injured - is probably more accurate. 1:2 KIA vs injured is probably a reasonable ratio since Russian battlefield medical is nonexistent and without air superiority they can't do air medevacs. Given that the Russians started with an invading force of 200,000 this has been an absolute catastrophe for them. Of course, it's been awful for Ukrainians too but they are fighting for their families and their homes and they will endure it until the last man standing. It's a grim war and it's only going to get worse in the months ahead.
It is very, very telling that most articles that are positively gleeful about Russia's very high casualty count never mention the Ukrainian number. Probably afraid it would put things in context real quick.
Anonymous
05/02/2023 14:20
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is running out of resorts- including young men. Time for peace. Lives can be saved.
This has been a talking point that has started circulating from the vatnik social media sphere by Russian troll farms.
It signals a shift in the narrative in Russian propaganda from a few months ago, and certainly a huge shift from the beginning of the war. That means that Russia is increasingly feeling the strain of this unsuccessful war.
Sane Americans have been saying that for quite some time.
There is no reporting from that war. Only propaganda, from both sides.
Anonymous
05/02/2023 13:56
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is running out of resorts- including young men. Time for peace. Lives can be saved.
This has been a talking point that has started circulating from the vatnik social media sphere by Russian troll farms.
It signals a shift in the narrative in Russian propaganda from a few months ago, and certainly a huge shift from the beginning of the war. That means that Russia is increasingly feeling the strain of this unsuccessful war.
Anonymous
05/02/2023 13:41
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Social media has been awash with Ukrainian propaganda/ music videos of Russian tanks being destroyed, etc.
Even now people post like the above of the Ukrainian victory at Bakhmyt.
You are being lied to. For you it’s just debt. For Ukraine, it is unspeakable suffering.
Welcome back, Comrade Trollsky!
You do realize your Z army will soon be humiliated during the Spring Ukrainian counter-offensive, right?
Comrade: do you have an escape plan, for when Russia begins to disintegrate and descend into civil war in the very near future?
Steiner is sure to attack in the next two weeks!
Anonymous
05/02/2023 12:19
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
They are using NATO models for estimating casualties. Obviously, it's impossible to have a 100 percent accurate count in a war of this scale where more than a 1000 soldiers on both sides are dying every day. Ukraine has admitted to presently having more than 7500 MIAs, presumably dead. God knows how many Russians are presently fertilizing Ukrainian land.
But I think Ukraine has a pretty good internal sense of what the true casualty count is. That being said, I would take their public statements with a grain of salt. I believe they're publicly stating that roughly 195,000 Russian soldiers have been killed. That's probably not quite true. 195,000 total Russian casualties - killed and injured - is probably more accurate. 1:2 KIA vs injured is probably a reasonable ratio since Russian battlefield medical is nonexistent and without air superiority they can't do air medevacs. Given that the Russians started with an invading force of 200,000 this has been an absolute catastrophe for them. Of course, it's been awful for Ukrainians too but they are fighting for their families and their homes and they will endure it until the last man standing. It's a grim war and it's only going to get worse in the months ahead.
Anonymous
05/02/2023 12:16
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Social media has been awash with Ukrainian propaganda/ music videos of Russian tanks being destroyed, etc.
Even now people post like the above of the Ukrainian victory at Bakhmyt.
You are being lied to. For you it’s just debt. For Ukraine, it is unspeakable suffering.
You're saying that Ukraine losing to Russia and becoming a Russian state is less suffering for Ukraine than winning? How so?
Anonymous
05/02/2023 12:05
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Social media has been awash with Ukrainian propaganda/ music videos of Russian tanks being destroyed, etc.
Even now people post like the above of the Ukrainian victory at Bakhmyt.
You are being lied to. For you it’s just debt. For Ukraine, it is unspeakable suffering.
Welcome back, Comrade Trollsky!
You do realize your Z army will soon be humiliated during the Spring Ukrainian counter-offensive, right?
Comrade: do you have an escape plan, for when Russia begins to disintegrate and descend into civil war in the very near future?
Anonymous
05/02/2023 11:48
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Social media has been awash with Ukrainian propaganda/ music videos of Russian tanks being destroyed, etc.
Even now people post like the above of the Ukrainian victory at Bakhmyt.
You are being lied to. For you it’s just debt. For Ukraine, it is unspeakable suffering.
Even now people post like the above of the Ukrainian victory at Bakhmyt.
You are being lied to. For you it’s just debt. For Ukraine, it is unspeakable suffering.
Anonymous