Anonymous wrote:Protester, mainly POC, outside BOE offices defending their rights to parent their own children. Bigoted elitists on the other side of this argument thinking they know better. Like Mink.

I think the progressive left needs to realize that a significant portion of immigrants in particular, regardless of race, are fairly conservative.

Protester, mainly POC, outside BOE offices defending their rights to parent their own children. Bigoted elitists on the other side of this argument thinking they know better. Like Mink.

Anonymous wrote:I like her. She’s basically our county’s version of AOC based on the outrage I’m reading here.

Oh my Gawd! No! Kristin Mink is not even worthy of polishing AOC’s shoes.

Anonymous wrote:The SPLC is a junk mail fundraising operation wearing the skin suit of a group that used to do good work and guilting liberals for cash. Definitely not a source worth citing.

Lol ok find any source that describes Moms for Liberty as a "White supremacist" group.

The SPLC is a junk mail fundraising operation wearing the skin suit of a group that used to do good work and guilting liberals for cash. Definitely not a source worth citing.

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Anonymous wrote:The tells that Mink's comments were ridiculous are that:

1. Nobody calls Moms for Liberty a "White supremacist" group. I don't like Moms for Liberty, I think they are horrible, but I also believe words have meaning. Political and religious extremism is a big problem in the US. It's an important enough problem for folks to be careful and specific about the words they use.

2. She would never say "Some Christians are aligning themselves with White supremacists on this issue" even though that is no less true than saying "Some Muslims". Why focus on the Muslims? The whole "not all, but some" is just...what are you trying to say here lady? Why are you calling out one specific religion? Can't you just say "Some people, not all, but some"?

Yes, they do.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/new-report-looks-at-the-changing-face-of-extremist-groups-in-america

Saying "some Christian nationalists are aligning themselves with white supremacists on this issue" would basically be like saying "some water is wet."

Nobody in that article describes Moms for Liberty as a White supremacist group. In that article, the only time the words "White supremacist" are used is in reference to the KKK and neo Nazis. The SLPC does not describe Moms for Liberty as a White supremacist group. It does categorize it as an "extremist" group. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/07/1180486760/splc-moms-for-liberty-extremist-group

Besides this, of course: "What they want is a public education that prioritizes white cisgender children [over] other children of color and different gender identities."

I guess, if you want to say, "No! They're not white supremacists! They're Christian nationalists who support white supremacy!", then go ahead? I don't have the time or energy to engage with these superfine distinctions between overlapping extremist hate groups with similar aims.

So to review, you falsely claimed that you were posting an article in which the words "White supremacist" were used to describe Moms for Liberty. What you are saying is that YOU consider them to be a White supremacist group based on the fact that they are racist. Okay? You will not find a legitimate organization or website that refers to them as a "White supremacist" group.

So you're saying they're not a white supremacist group unless somebody (like the SPLC) says, literally, word for word, "M4L is a white supremacist group"? Okay then. I tend to be overly literal, but you have me beat. Congratulations.

Yes, I think the SLPC is a good authority on who can be considered a White supremacist group, and certainly more so than a random anonymous poster who is trying to defend indefensible comments by a local councilmember.

I think calling anyone who does or says racist things or in some indirect way reinforces white supremacy a "White supremacist" group obscures the fact that there have been and continue to be groups that are explicitly calling for a White ethnostate. Unsurprisingly, many of these groups have used violence in an effort to achieve this goal. That's why White supremacist groups have been identified as a terrorist threat by the DOJ.

Moms for Liberty may include many people that support these efforts, but I think they are most dangerous because they attract people who do not want to be associated with White supremacist or White nationalist groups. They aren't explicitly calling for violence or saying White people are superior, even if they believe this. And they haven't yet used violence to achieve their goals.

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Anonymous wrote:The tells that Mink's comments were ridiculous are that:

1. Nobody calls Moms for Liberty a "White supremacist" group. I don't like Moms for Liberty, I think they are horrible, but I also believe words have meaning. Political and religious extremism is a big problem in the US. It's an important enough problem for folks to be careful and specific about the words they use.

2. She would never say "Some Christians are aligning themselves with White supremacists on this issue" even though that is no less true than saying "Some Muslims". Why focus on the Muslims? The whole "not all, but some" is just...what are you trying to say here lady? Why are you calling out one specific religion? Can't you just say "Some people, not all, but some"?

Yes, they do.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/new-report-looks-at-the-changing-face-of-extremist-groups-in-america

Saying "some Christian nationalists are aligning themselves with white supremacists on this issue" would basically be like saying "some water is wet."

Nobody in that article describes Moms for Liberty as a White supremacist group. In that article, the only time the words "White supremacist" are used is in reference to the KKK and neo Nazis. The SLPC does not describe Moms for Liberty as a White supremacist group. It does categorize it as an "extremist" group. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/07/1180486760/splc-moms-for-liberty-extremist-group

Besides this, of course: "What they want is a public education that prioritizes white cisgender children [over] other children of color and different gender identities."

I guess, if you want to say, "No! They're not white supremacists! They're Christian nationalists who support white supremacy!", then go ahead? I don't have the time or energy to engage with these superfine distinctions between overlapping extremist hate groups with similar aims.

So to review, you falsely claimed that you were posting an article in which the words "White supremacist" were used to describe Moms for Liberty. What you are saying is that YOU consider them to be a White supremacist group based on the fact that they are racist. Okay? You will not find a legitimate organization or website that refers to them as a "White supremacist" group.

So you're saying they're not a white supremacist group unless somebody (like the SPLC) says, literally, word for word, "M4L is a white supremacist group"? Okay then. I tend to be overly literal, but you have me beat. Congratulations.

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Anonymous wrote:The tells that Mink's comments were ridiculous are that:

1. Nobody calls Moms for Liberty a "White supremacist" group. I don't like Moms for Liberty, I think they are horrible, but I also believe words have meaning. Political and religious extremism is a big problem in the US. It's an important enough problem for folks to be careful and specific about the words they use.

2. She would never say "Some Christians are aligning themselves with White supremacists on this issue" even though that is no less true than saying "Some Muslims". Why focus on the Muslims? The whole "not all, but some" is just...what are you trying to say here lady? Why are you calling out one specific religion? Can't you just say "Some people, not all, but some"?

Yes, they do.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/new-report-looks-at-the-changing-face-of-extremist-groups-in-america

Saying "some Christian nationalists are aligning themselves with white supremacists on this issue" would basically be like saying "some water is wet."

Nobody in that article describes Moms for Liberty as a White supremacist group. In that article, the only time the words "White supremacist" are used is in reference to the KKK and neo Nazis. The SLPC does not describe Moms for Liberty as a White supremacist group. It does categorize it as an "extremist" group. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/07/1180486760/splc-moms-for-liberty-extremist-group

Besides this, of course: "What they want is a public education that prioritizes white cisgender children [over] other children of color and different gender identities."

I guess, if you want to say, "No! They're not white supremacists! They're Christian nationalists who support white supremacy!", then go ahead? I don't have the time or energy to engage with these superfine distinctions between overlapping extremist hate groups with similar aims.

So to review, you falsely claimed that you were posting an article in which the words "White supremacist" were used to describe Moms for Liberty. What you are saying is that YOU consider them to be a White supremacist group based on the fact that they are racist. Okay? You will not find a legitimate organization or website that refers to them as a "White supremacist" group.

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Anonymous wrote:I like her. She’s basically our county’s version of AOC based on the outrage I’m reading here.

AOC is very thoughtful and intelligent, and actually engages on difficult policy issues. Not really like Mink in any way.

So true. I'm not an AOC fan but I would take her over Kristin M. any day. Kristin is far from intelligent and thoughtful.