Anonymous
02/04/2023 15:10
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.patriotledger.com/story/news/2023/02/03/duxburys-lindsay-clancy-to-appear-via-video-in-plymouth-court-tuesday/69870830007/
According to her new lawyer, she was on a dozen medications at the time of the incident and the husband had told doctors she was “turning into a zombie.” You all still think he should have gone out?
So is her lawyer trying to throw the husband under the bus? If the husband thought she was a "zombie" it was negligent of him to leave the kids with her.
The husband is in a pickle, either way, rihgt?
"No, she was fine when I left" -> she was with it well enough to leave the kids, and waiting until left to hurt the kids. there goes the intoxication defense. Or...
"She was zonked out" -> why did you leave your kids with someone in that condition? (he's not criminally negligent but will be crucified in the media.)
I think the information that comes out Tuesday is going to turn public opinion on the family. I feel like the
Being emotionally blunted and zombie-like doesn’t equal being homicidal/suicidal. This emotional blunting was a change and noticeable to her and her husband, as opposed to her behavior prior to taking these meds which apparently was less sedated and natural. It doesn’t mean she would be deemed unsafe to care for her kids. Additionally, extreme rage could have come on very suddenly as well.
Anonymous
02/04/2023 14:52
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.patriotledger.com/story/news/2023/02/03/duxburys-lindsay-clancy-to-appear-via-video-in-plymouth-court-tuesday/69870830007/
According to her new lawyer, she was on a dozen medications at the time of the incident and the husband had told doctors she was “turning into a zombie.” You all still think he should have gone out?
So is her lawyer trying to throw the husband under the bus? If the husband thought she was a "zombie" it was negligent of him to leave the kids with her.
The husband is in a pickle, either way, rihgt?
"No, she was fine when I left" -> she was with it well enough to leave the kids, and waiting until left to hurt the kids. there goes the intoxication defense. Or...
"She was zonked out" -> why did you leave your kids with someone in that condition? (he's not criminally negligent but will be crucified in the media.)
I think the information that comes out Tuesday is going to turn public opinion on the family. I feel like the
Anonymous
02/04/2023 14:25
Subject: Re:Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Other defendants have tried an "Ambien defense," but I don't think they've been successful.
And I’m sure the psychiatrist explained the side effects which are also prominently displayed on prescriptions. I think they’re trying to set up a medical malpractice/wrongful death case and I hope they don’t prevail assuming the psychiatrist was following the standard of care. I think it’s common to try different medicines to find what works and that seems like what the doctor was doing here.
Which brings us back to why would anyone leave three small children with someone on these drugs?
Because she showed no signs of being a danger to herself or the kids. Because she had been cleared to be alone. So many reasons, but it's clear that you just want to pin this on her husband and make him the bad guy
Maybe he should have read the warning labels on all the drugs she was being given, especially since that appears to be their defense. It’s a big can of worms they are opening.
Perhaps physicians should more seriously consider the potential side effects and drug interactions prior to doling these meds out like candy. It’s not the patient, nor the family’s responsibility to recognize side effects and interactions. they trusted that the physicians would be aware of and monitoring this, but sadly even many physicians aren’t even aware of anything regarding mixing and stopping and starting drugs. I have seen and experienced this first hand and it’s infuriating.
Yes it is the patient’s responsibility to read the information from the pharmacy, including disclosures on potential side effects. That is exactly why they give them out with every prescription.
I am referring to side effects->drug interactions from mixing pharmaceuticals, which is not a side effect per se, and a patient wouldn’t be cognizant of what this would look like. We don’t know the half lives and how long some of these meds remained in her system before she began a new med and many physicians may understand it, but it’s ignored especially when they are trying to find anything that will help the patient. And many patients can handle switching and mixing meds without issues.
Anonymous
02/04/2023 14:03
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.patriotledger.com/story/news/2023/02/03/duxburys-lindsay-clancy-to-appear-via-video-in-plymouth-court-tuesday/69870830007/
According to her new lawyer, she was on a dozen medications at the time of the incident and the husband had told doctors she was “turning into a zombie.” You all still think he should have gone out?
Post partum depression leading to psychotic symptoms and homicide/suicide is exceedingly rare. Nobody ever thinks in advance it will be them or their loved one. The Andrea Yates case was so extreme precisely because she had suffered from it previously, was hospitalized repeatedly and warned to never have another pregnancy. The red flags were abundant that she would kill her children and Rusty should really have been prosecuted and imprisoned for the child endangering he engaged in by leaving Andrea alone with their kids.
But even if he didn't know she would kill them, he thought it was cool to leave them with a "zombie" (his words)? We are talking about a crawling baby and a 3 year old boy, in addition to the 5 year old daughter. Do you remember what its like to have a 3 year old?
When psych patients talk about meds making them feel like a zombie it’s not typically about the inability to supervise a kid for 30 minutes. It’s a deadening of emotions and a mental fatigue that can arise with the wrong meds or meds combo. It in no way immediately triggers a parenting competency issue.
Plenty of DCUM moms are supervising their kids after a glass or two of wine or some other version of mommy’s little helper, by the way. Does that outrage you?
I think it’s crappy parenting for sure, at those ages if they are the only parent home. And I bet plenty of accidents do happen under that lack of adequate supervision.
Anonymous
02/04/2023 14:01
Subject: Re:Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Other defendants have tried an "Ambien defense," but I don't think they've been successful.
And I’m sure the psychiatrist explained the side effects which are also prominently displayed on prescriptions. I think they’re trying to set up a medical malpractice/wrongful death case and I hope they don’t prevail assuming the psychiatrist was following the standard of care. I think it’s common to try different medicines to find what works and that seems like what the doctor was doing here.
Which brings us back to why would anyone leave three small children with someone on these drugs?
Because she showed no signs of being a danger to herself or the kids. Because she had been cleared to be alone. So many reasons, but it's clear that you just want to pin this on her husband and make him the bad guy
Maybe he should have read the warning labels on all the drugs she was being given, especially since that appears to be their defense. It’s a big can of worms they are opening.
Perhaps physicians should more seriously consider the potential side effects and drug interactions prior to doling these meds out like candy. It’s not the patient, nor the family’s responsibility to recognize side effects and interactions. they trusted that the physicians would be aware of and monitoring this, but sadly even many physicians aren’t even aware of anything regarding mixing and stopping and starting drugs. I have seen and experienced this first hand and it’s infuriating.
Yes it is the patient’s responsibility to read the information from the pharmacy, including disclosures on potential side effects. That is exactly why they give them out with every prescription.
Anonymous
02/04/2023 13:47
Subject: Re:Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Just want to weigh in that as a person with childhood trauma who has battled refractory depression for over 30 years and episodes of suicidal ideation with plan and attempt, I have never been put on so many meds over such a short period of time. I’ve been put on lots of different meds over the decades but never that many that quickly. It doesn’t seem like the appropriate standard of care to me.
Anonymous
02/04/2023 13:42
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.patriotledger.com/story/news/2023/02/03/duxburys-lindsay-clancy-to-appear-via-video-in-plymouth-court-tuesday/69870830007/
According to her new lawyer, she was on a dozen medications at the time of the incident and the husband had told doctors she was “turning into a zombie.” You all still think he should have gone out?
Post partum depression leading to psychotic symptoms and homicide/suicide is exceedingly rare. Nobody ever thinks in advance it will be them or their loved one. The Andrea Yates case was so extreme precisely because she had suffered from it previously, was hospitalized repeatedly and warned to never have another pregnancy. The red flags were abundant that she would kill her children and Rusty should really have been prosecuted and imprisoned for the child endangering he engaged in by leaving Andrea alone with their kids.
But even if he didn't know she would kill them, he thought it was cool to leave them with a "zombie" (his words)? We are talking about a crawling baby and a 3 year old boy, in addition to the 5 year old daughter. Do you remember what its like to have a 3 year old?
When psych patients talk about meds making them feel like a zombie it’s not typically about the inability to supervise a kid for 30 minutes. It’s a deadening of emotions and a mental fatigue that can arise with the wrong meds or meds combo. It in no way immediately triggers a parenting competency issue.
Plenty of DCUM moms are supervising their kids after a glass or two of wine or some other version of mommy’s little helper, by the way. Does that outrage you?
Anonymous
02/04/2023 13:37
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.patriotledger.com/story/news/2023/02/03/duxburys-lindsay-clancy-to-appear-via-video-in-plymouth-court-tuesday/69870830007/
According to her new lawyer, she was on a dozen medications at the time of the incident and the husband had told doctors she was “turning into a zombie.” You all still think he should have gone out?
Post partum depression leading to psychotic symptoms and homicide/suicide is exceedingly rare. Nobody ever thinks in advance it will be them or their loved one. The Andrea Yates case was so extreme precisely because she had suffered from it previously, was hospitalized repeatedly and warned to never have another pregnancy. The red flags were abundant that she would kill her children and Rusty should really have been prosecuted and imprisoned for the child endangering he engaged in by leaving Andrea alone with their kids.
But even if he didn't know she would kill them, he thought it was cool to leave them with a "zombie" (his words)? We are talking about a crawling baby and a 3 year old boy, in addition to the 5 year old daughter. Do you remember what its like to have a 3 year old?
Anonymous
02/04/2023 13:36
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:https://www.patriotledger.com/story/news/2023/02/03/duxburys-lindsay-clancy-to-appear-via-video-in-plymouth-court-tuesday/69870830007/
According to her new lawyer, she was on a dozen medications at the time of the incident and the husband had told doctors she was “turning into a zombie.” You all still think he should have gone out?
Post partum depression leading to psychotic symptoms and homicide/suicide is exceedingly rare. Nobody ever thinks in advance it will be them or their loved one. The Andrea Yates case was so extreme precisely because she had suffered from it previously, was hospitalized repeatedly and warned to never have another pregnancy. The red flags were abundant that she would kill her children and Rusty should really have been prosecuted and imprisoned for the child endangering he engaged in by leaving Andrea alone with their kids.
Anonymous
02/04/2023 13:33
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:https://www.patriotledger.com/story/news/2023/02/03/duxburys-lindsay-clancy-to-appear-via-video-in-plymouth-court-tuesday/69870830007/
According to her new lawyer, she was on a dozen medications at the time of the incident and the husband had told doctors she was “turning into a zombie.” You all still think he should have gone out?
So is her lawyer trying to throw the husband under the bus? If the husband thought she was a "zombie" it was negligent of him to leave the kids with her.
Anonymous
02/04/2023 13:31
Subject: Re:Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Other defendants have tried an "Ambien defense," but I don't think they've been successful.
And I’m sure the psychiatrist explained the side effects which are also prominently displayed on prescriptions. I think they’re trying to set up a medical malpractice/wrongful death case and I hope they don’t prevail assuming the psychiatrist was following the standard of care. I think it’s common to try different medicines to find what works and that seems like what the doctor was doing here.
The Ambien issue seems to happen with people falling asleep and then committing acts but not remembering them. Driving somewhere and then not remembering doing that, etc. There doesn’t seem to be an indication that this was the case here. Had she been asleep at 5:15 pm, the husband would not left the kids alone with her.
The lawyer’s statement that they told the doctors the week prior that the meds were negatively impacting her shows that they knew there was a problem with the meds but continued to take them. Also, waiting until the husband was gone to commit the acts shows (but does not conclusively establish) that she knew enough to know the acts are wrong and that he would try to stop her if he were home. That works against the insanity defense. With an involuntary intoxification defense, insanity still must be established.
I’m assuming they tested her to see what was in her system at the time of the acts.
Wrong, you misunderstand the nature of psychosis. Andrea Yates waited for Rusty to leave for work and during the hour before her MIL was to arrive to help her with the kids she drowned all five of them and then called the police to report and confess.
A person can be psychotic and legally incapable of knowing right from wrong but still have the ability to overcome practical obstacles to achieving the objective of their psychotic delusion - in Andrea Yates’s case, giving her children back to God.
Anonymous
02/04/2023 13:18
Subject: Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
https://www.patriotledger.com/story/news/2023/02/03/duxburys-lindsay-clancy-to-appear-via-video-in-plymouth-court-tuesday/69870830007/
According to her new lawyer, she was on a dozen medications at the time of the incident and the husband had told doctors she was “turning into a zombie.” You all still think he should have gone out?
According to her new lawyer, she was on a dozen medications at the time of the incident and the husband had told doctors she was “turning into a zombie.” You all still think he should have gone out?
Anonymous
02/04/2023 11:47
Subject: Re:Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Other defendants have tried an "Ambien defense," but I don't think they've been successful.
And I’m sure the psychiatrist explained the side effects which are also prominently displayed on prescriptions. I think they’re trying to set up a medical malpractice/wrongful death case and I hope they don’t prevail assuming the psychiatrist was following the standard of care. I think it’s common to try different medicines to find what works and that seems like what the doctor was doing here.
Which brings us back to why would anyone leave three small children with someone on these drugs?
Why would anyone leave her alone? Why? Because more than half of Americans are on some concoction of these meds and, while zombiefied and emotionally blunted, they rarely kill their kids.
No, more than half of Americans are not on this level of psych drug. They didn’t give her Prozac.
Ha, maybe they should have given her prozac rather than the bizarre mixture of meds she was prescribed. Maybe prozac would have been the magic bullet.
Something should have been done differently for sure!
Anonymous
02/04/2023 11:03
Subject: Re:Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Other defendants have tried an "Ambien defense," but I don't think they've been successful.
And I’m sure the psychiatrist explained the side effects which are also prominently displayed on prescriptions. I think they’re trying to set up a medical malpractice/wrongful death case and I hope they don’t prevail assuming the psychiatrist was following the standard of care. I think it’s common to try different medicines to find what works and that seems like what the doctor was doing here.
Which brings us back to why would anyone leave three small children with someone on these drugs?
Why would anyone leave her alone? Why? Because more than half of Americans are on some concoction of these meds and, while zombiefied and emotionally blunted, they rarely kill their kids.
No, more than half of Americans are not on this level of psych drug. They didn’t give her Prozac.
Ha, maybe they should have given her prozac rather than the bizarre mixture of meds she was prescribed. Maybe prozac would have been the magic bullet.
Anonymous
02/04/2023 10:55
Subject: Re:Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)
Anonymous wrote:" I feel compelled to give another donation in support of Lindsey, for attys’ fees. You are in my thoughts and prayers…From Illinois"-Mimi B.
(I thought Gofundme can't be used to pay legal defense fees for violent crimes?)
"Seeing the article today discussing her treatment compelled me to donate again. “By the grace of God go I” keeps running through my head in thinking of your story. With support, Jenna [redacted]" -Jenna B
I'll say it again. This go fund me is disgusting. There are so many worthier recipients of your contributions.