Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 12:31     Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:Why are we blaming everything else, it's the shooter and family that needs to be held accountable they failed


Well the shooter died. So I guess that is the ultimate “accountability.” But you can’t tuck accountability into bed at night. You can’t watch it grow and graduate high school. You can’t tell “accountability” how much you love it and kiss its little head each day.

What good is accountability at this point?

PREVENTION is infinitely more valuable than accountability.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 12:30     Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:Why are we blaming everything else, it's the shooter and family that needs to be held accountable they failed


And if the shooter is dead? And if the shooter is an adult is his family still “accountable”? What does that even mean? Are you suggesting that gun owners be licensed, that guns be registered, that gun owners be subject to a mental health evaluation, and that they be required to purchase liability insurance?
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 12:25     Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
How religion falls into this debate is beyond me. Most European countries are far less church-going than ours, but they don't experience this insanity every few days.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 12:25     Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:The "added security measures" Reoublicans want basically are just increases in the school to prison pipeline. Meanwhile neither the Sandy Hook shooter nor this shooter actually attended the school. But sure treating the students like criminals is the solution.


The gun industry apologists want to arm teachers. They want to arm retired military and law enforcement to provide school security. More guns … what could go wrong?
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 12:25     Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:Why are we blaming everything else, it's the shooter and family that needs to be held accountable they failed


So that’s how you sleep at night.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 12:24     Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:I’m sending my kid abroad too.


Mine have gone already.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 12:24     Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Why are we blaming everything else, it's the shooter and family that needs to be held accountable they failed
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 12:24     Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:The "added security measures" Reoublicans want basically are just increases in the school to prison pipeline. Meanwhile neither the Sandy Hook shooter nor this shooter actually attended the school. But sure treating the students like criminals is the solution.


And for teachers to have guns.

It sounds like the shooter actually encountered law enforcement before entering the building? I’ll be interested to see why they couldn’t stop him- when even LEOs are unable to stop a shooter with an assault rifle I’m not sure how arming untrained teachers would solve anything.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 12:21     Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.


No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.


The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.


Well, since "Thoughts and Prayers" haven't worked at all for the last 20 years, maybe Republicans should try to pass a bill to limit sales of assault rilfes.


Extending sympathy and prayers to grieving families of dead children is not intended to stop school shootings. It's not supposed "to work" to stop the shootings. And you know it.

Extending sympathy is a common thing to do, and prayers is what religious people do in troubling times.


Prayers don’t do shit for dead kids.


You obviously aren't religious. Or classy. Sad.


Sorry but when it comes to keeping some unhinged man baby whose wittle feelings of masculinity are hurt from harming my children, I would rather take away his access to semi-automatic weaponry, mass ammo, and body armor than have my kids fend for themselves with your belated “thoughts and prayers” over their graveside. If that is not classy, whatever. I don’t care about your standards of “class.”
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 12:20     Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.


No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.


The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.


Well, since "Thoughts and Prayers" haven't worked at all for the last 20 years, maybe Republicans should try to pass a bill to limit sales of assault rilfes.


Extending sympathy and prayers to grieving families of dead children is not intended to stop school shootings. It's not supposed "to work" to stop the shootings. And you know it.

Extending sympathy is a common thing to do, and prayers is what religious people do in troubling times.


BS. Don't be so naive. Politicians say "thoughts and prayers" because it's enough for their pathetic constituents, who are all to content to accept those toothless words over effective policies to end gun violence.


Condolences and prayers are NOT a policy. Stop conflating - stop with the pretending.

No one is saying they're the same. I'm saying that Republican voters are satisfied with thoughts and prayers from their politicians, and perfectly content to have Republican politicians do absolutely NOTHING policy-wise to prevent hundreds of kids being slaughtered by assault rifles legally purchased. Perfectly content, otherwise, why would they continue to vote for them?


That is false.

Republicans believe in added security measures at schools, but democrats oppose added security. Republicans often also advocate having a nuclear family, attending church or other place of worship, more consequences for felonious juvenile crimes, and a sense of personal responsibility for one's actions.

Others, by contrast, often advocate "dismantling the nuclear family," atheism, lesser punishments for felonious behavior, and blaming others or society as an external locus of control for their bad acts.


Republicans are full of sh1t.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 12:20     Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.


No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.


The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.


Well, since "Thoughts and Prayers" haven't worked at all for the last 20 years, maybe Republicans should try to pass a bill to limit sales of assault rilfes.


Extending sympathy and prayers to grieving families of dead children is not intended to stop school shootings. It's not supposed "to work" to stop the shootings. And you know it.

Extending sympathy is a common thing to do, and prayers is what religious people do in troubling times.


BS. Don't be so naive. Politicians say "thoughts and prayers" because it's enough for their pathetic constituents, who are all to content to accept those toothless words over effective policies to end gun violence.


Condolences and prayers are NOT a policy. Stop conflating - stop with the pretending.

No one is saying they're the same. I'm saying that Republican voters are satisfied with thoughts and prayers from their politicians, and perfectly content to have Republican politicians do absolutely NOTHING policy-wise to prevent hundreds of kids being slaughtered by assault rifles legally purchased. Perfectly content, otherwise, why would they continue to vote for them?


That is false.

Republicans believe in added security measures at schools, but democrats oppose added security. Republicans often also advocate having a nuclear family, attending church or other place of worship, more consequences for felonious juvenile crimes, and a sense of personal responsibility for one's actions.

Others, by contrast, often advocate "dismantling the nuclear family," atheism, lesser punishments for felonious behavior, and blaming others or society as an external locus of control for their bad acts.


This is utter and complete BS. This is more GOP propaganda. Those GOP politicians don't care about your kids, your family, your job, crime, God, or anything but their own power. And their F-ing guns. But you lap their BS stories up like the rube you are.

Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 12:20     Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
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Anonymous wrote:I’m sending my kid abroad too.


We took a posting overseas and one of the factors was seeing my poor kindergartener (at the time) do active shooter drills. Now we live in a country with no school shootings.


We are hoping to do this within a couple years too. I’ve lost hope that anything will ever change here.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 12:20     Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
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Anonymous wrote:They need to publish photos of the classrooms with the bodies in it. Otherwise it’s just a heady debate. The visceral response of seeing what these weapons do to bodies - especially kids needs to be a part of this. Not in abstract.


Do what Emmett Till's mom did.


The Sandy Hook conspiracy theory Alex Jones crazies tortured the parents of the victims by picking through the pictures of the massacred kindergarteners and insisting that they were faked because of things they found “odd/unlikely.”
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 12:19     Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They need to publish photos of the classrooms with the bodies in it. Otherwise it’s just a heady debate. The visceral response of seeing what these weapons do to bodies - especially kids needs to be a part of this. Not in abstract.


Do what Emmett Till's mom did.


Yes, these grieving devastated parents owe us their pain and trauma on parade for all of eternity, so we can be convinced to care. Brilliant.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 12:17     Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:They need to publish photos of the classrooms with the bodies in it. Otherwise it’s just a heady debate. The visceral response of seeing what these weapons do to bodies - especially kids needs to be a part of this. Not in abstract.


Do what Emmett Till's mom did.