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Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

An article from a few days ago said it misfired as he pulled it out of the holster

Perhaps, but I believe it's been revealed in the last couple of days that it was a real bullet.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

An article from a few days ago said it misfired as he pulled it out of the holster

I guess it will depend on the trajectory of the bullet. A ricochet or a straight shot will have significantly different results.

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Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Only dumb lawyers are putting forward that take.

Sure, anyone can sue anyone for anything. That doesn't mean they might win. Or that they should.

+100
Alec Baldwin should file a lawsuit! (Although I guess it would be against himself as producer 😆).

Imagine shooting someone with a gun you thought was cold? How traumatic. Taking someone’s life? I would be heartbroken and then FURIOUS that someone’s carelessness allowed him to be put in that position. Very upsetting and will no doubt cause psychological trauma for him. The guilt will be with him forever.

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Anonymous wrote:So much of this argument is about whether the regulations of guns on the set were strict enough and enforced.

YET, we have virtually no regulation of guns on the streets we walk everyday.

So, yes, it would be great if people who work on movie sets were safe. But those of you arguing that responsible gun use requires rules and training....why don't we require that out in public, which has children and drunk people and angry people....

I am all for controlling how guns are used, but more concerned about schools and malls than movie sets.

https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40621-019-0184-0

Before you ask how this is relevant, it is all people who went to work and got shot to death.

“YET, we have virtually no regulation of guns on the streets we walk everyday.”

If you seriously believe there is “virtually no regulation” of firearms, whether generally or “on the streets we walk [sic] everyday,” you may be the most appallingly ignorant human being in creation.

Okay, so we get that you have consumed the NRA's kool aid. And you probably believe what you are saying.

Here are some FACTS:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/08/12/theres-no-magic-bullet-prevent-gun-violence-we-can-start-with-more-oversight/

https://vpc.org/regulating-the-gun-industry/regulate-htm/

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/strictest-gun-laws-by-state
(Did you notice the first sentence of the second paragraph?)

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-gun-policy-global-comparisons

I am done debating someone who spouts opinions. Bye

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Of course he will. And he will have to settle for an undisclosed significant amount of money. It was an accident with a gun. The caution used should have been elevated and wasn’t. It wasn’t a freak accident with feathers from a pillow that caught in her throat. It was a gun, pointed at her and he pulled the trigger.

An article from a few days ago said it misfired as he pulled it out of the holster

Anonymous wrote:There shouldn't have been real bullets on the set.

Agree and this all comes back to down to an unqualified armorer. I have no experience with guns, but if someone suddenly put me in charge of guns on the set of a movie and said here, this is your job now, I would at the very LEAST have checked to make sure the barrels were empty. I mean how hard is that basic responsibility? I wouldn't let a gun get into someone's hand without checking and triple-checking there were not live rounds in the gun. Let alone not having the proper qualifications to safely load blanks, selecting the appropriate gun, etc., but at a minimum, a MINIMUM, the armorer should have checked to make sure the gun did not have any live rounds. It's astounding to me that this 24yr old who was in in charge couldn't even do that. What was she doing instead? Taking selfies? and now someone is dead as a result. Yes, the AD is responsible because he called the gun cold without checking himself, but it all comes back to her and the very minimum she was required to do as part of her responsibility as armorer. Sickening and she needs to be held responsible.

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Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Only dumb lawyers are putting forward that take.

Sure, anyone can sue anyone for anything. That doesn't mean they might win. Or that they should.

Yeah, I don't see it. You would have to prove some sort of negligence on his part, which would probably be judged by the industry practice. Several other members of the set probably fail that test, but unless there is something else on Baldwin, I don't know... But could see him still settling with family to keep the peace (and his reputation).

This thread has been very eye-opening--thank you to the many experts who have answered questions and explained things.

I have almost zero experience with guns. I did know that blanks could kill but I had no idea how important cleaning a gun was. I also never thought about the movies I watch being dangerous to those on set! I'm having a bit of a reckoning with that personally.

I realize that as the protocols are written, the actor doesn't check the gun. It seems that the protocols should contain some redundancy such as: armorer checks, AD checks, armorer demonstrates the checks to actor so actor can see the weapon and understand what's in it.

Anonymous wrote:There shouldn't have been real bullets on the set.

Yes, there are rules about that.

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Anonymous wrote:There are two types of people on this thread:

1. I work on film sets- It’s totally normal to take a gun from someone, point it at another human, and pull the trigger with no expectation that they might be harmed because….protocol.

And

2. Everyone else- WTAF

You're reading a different thread, friend. But it does sound like you should never try to get a job with extensive safety protocols. It would be too nerve wracking for you.

I’ve had weapons training and multiple deployments with plenty of protocols. These movie set protocols failed because they were crap to begin with.

Almost none of the protocol was followed, so I don’t think you can blame protocols.

Excuse me ma’am you’re clearly speaking to a Guns Guns Guns expert show some respect goddammit he needs this spotlight.

I’m a woman, actually. I’m also not a guns, guns, guns expert. I’ve had enough weapons training to know that if you point a gun at someone without knowing for sure whether it’s loaded, and pull the trigger, you might accidentally kill them. That’s all.

Sweetie. No one GAF about you here, nor your sex, nor your hoo-rah. Cram it.

And you don’t speak for everyone, SWEETIE. Cram that.

NP

There shouldn't have been real bullets on the set.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much of this argument is about whether the regulations of guns on the set were strict enough and enforced.

YET, we have virtually no regulation of guns on the streets we walk everyday.

So, yes, it would be great if people who work on movie sets were safe. But those of you arguing that responsible gun use requires rules and training....why don't we require that out in public, which has children and drunk people and angry people....

I am all for controlling how guns are used, but more concerned about schools and malls than movie sets.

https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40621-019-0184-0

Before you ask how this is relevant, it is all people who went to work and got shot to death.

“YET, we have virtually no regulation of guns on the streets we walk everyday.”

If you seriously believe there is “virtually no regulation” of firearms, whether generally or “on the streets we walk [sic] everyday,” you may be the most appallingly ignorant human being in creation.

+1. Guns are heavily regulated.

Anonymous wrote:So much of this argument is about whether the regulations of guns on the set were strict enough and enforced.

YET, we have virtually no regulation of guns on the streets we walk everyday.

So, yes, it would be great if people who work on movie sets were safe. But those of you arguing that responsible gun use requires rules and training....why don't we require that out in public, which has children and drunk people and angry people....

I am all for controlling how guns are used, but more concerned about schools and malls than movie sets.

https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40621-019-0184-0

Before you ask how this is relevant, it is all people who went to work and got shot to death.

“YET, we have virtually no regulation of guns on the streets we walk everyday.”

If you seriously believe there is “virtually no regulation” of firearms, whether generally or “on the streets we walk [sic] everyday,” you may be the most appallingly ignorant human being in creation.

Anonymous wrote:I've read a lot on different platforms and the general consensus is that while AB may not be criminally charged he could still face a wrongful death lawsuit.

Only dumb lawyers are putting forward that take.

Sure, anyone can sue anyone for anything. That doesn't mean they might win. Or that they should.

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Anonymous wrote:This morning I saw an interview with a veteran film industry armorer. He turned down the job on “Rust” in pre-production because he knew they weren’t planning to follow best safety practices. He said that more than one person was taking on multiple crew roles and he said it was very concerning for someone handling the guns to have an additional job.

It sounds like having an extremely small budget lead to many poor choices and sloppy work. They cut corners. The cinematographer died because of it. With a bigger budget, they could have adequately staffed and hired experienced professionals who take their work seriously. They wanted to make a movie on the cheap and so they hired who they could get cheap.

Again, this circles back to the recent IA labor dispute. Wonder how many gun experts on this thread are also anti collective bargaining. I’m betting that’s a Venn diagram with some pretty large overlap.

Ding ding ding.

Thankfully the producers didn't do something crazy like hire someone familiar with gun safety.

^ Ignorant, non-sensical, and irrelevant comment.