Anonymous wrote:RIP Ethan Hertweck, another American mercenary killed fighting for Ukraine

I wonder why they go there. Do they get paid? Do they feel like they are fighting for justice? Or they just like to fight?

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Anonymous wrote:I am laughing at the Russian bot farm posts.

This totally sucks for Ukraine- but still a great ROI and easy way to kill Russians.

I want Ukraine to win; fund them at 3x current levels.

Russians are like the worst people on the planet with those whacko ISIS groups.
The more dead of them both the better for the civilized world.
This is simply an investment to diminish the barbarian horde known as Russia. Money well spent.

Only if you assign the Ukrainian dead the value of zero.

At least they are dying with a rifle in their hand and not in a prison or gas chamber that the Russians will put most Ukrainian in if they took over.

Putin wiould kill all Ukrainians if given the opportunity. He is like Hitler- but more of a jerk.

Strawman
If they didn’t fight he would just take over and the life would go on for them
They are all post soviet, all people in power in the ex ussr
It’s all the same despite what many want to believe

. So Russia should get eastern Germany too? Seems logical.

Another straw man

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Anonymous wrote:Hard working Americans that lay sheet rock today, frame homes, and roof, should not have to pay taxes to support a war effort that wealthy Ukranians turn their back on.

Ukraine is a not a country is a former province with a gas station.

Spoken like a true Russian. Ukrainians are people. People who want to be free of Russian tyranny. People who want to determine their own fate.

It's a concept that Russians serving their government wouldn't understand. They're just slaves, for all intents and purposes.

DP and I am Ukrainian. I totally support PP and a lot of Ukrainians sick and tired of this ongoing money laundering. Everyone in Ukraine knows the war will stop as soon as Americans will stop pumping money into it.

What part of Ukraine? Russian or Ukrainian speaking?

Are you prepared to become a Russian satellite town? And to get thrown in jail for disagreeing with Putin?

lol so you don't think there are people in jail today for disagreeing with Zelensky?

Most likely they were not arrested for "disagreeing with Zelensky" but for something very different. Gonzalo Lira for example was arrested for giving away Ukrainian troop positions to Russia but dishonest propagandists lied about that and claimed it was merely because he didn't agree with Zelenskyy. And by the way, spelling it "Zelensky" is a giveaway - that's how Russians write it. They are sloppy propagandists.

You are incorrect. Zelenskiy's family is from Donbass area and Zelenskiy is not a Ukrainian last name. He tries to look more Ukrainian by substituting "I" sound by "y", but it does not make him more Ukrainian unfortunately. His first foreign passport spelling was Zelenskiy.

Lol look at you flailing and defensively trying to shift the goal posts away...

You were caught with the very Russian spelling of "Zelensky" but now you're falsely trying to pretend you were saying "Zelenskiy" which is more consistent with Ukrainian and Belarussian spelling - and even there you are wrong and your attempts at attributing it to being a Donbas thing or trying to suggest he wants to sound more Ukrainian is a swing and a miss. His family is Jewish, and like many Jews living in Slavic lands, they adapted the Slavic word for their Ashkenazi family name, in Zelenskyy's case that being Grün (green).

Russians don’t write in English, silly. Both countries use Cyrillic.

All this Zelenskyy, Zelenski, Zelenskiy business is just transcribers having fun.

DP, but every Russian and Ukrainian's international passports are in English, silly.

Correct but there are no set transcribing rules. How do you transcribe, for instance, a Cyrillic ж? Like a j or like a zh? What about a common ending like ий? Is it a y, a yy, an i, an iy, an yi, or an ii? What about a я, is it a ya or an ia?

It’s whatever convention is in force at the time the passport is issued. But depend upon it: Zelensky the president and any other Zelenski, Zelenskiy, or Zelenskyyyyyyy pronounce their names in the exact same way.

Nope. It doesn't depend on the fact of Cyrillic, it depends on the LANGUAGE being used. Surely you should know that Cyrillic isn't just used for Russian, it is also used for a whole variety of Slavic languages like Bulgarian, Serbian, Macedonian, etc each of which has its own pronunciation rules and variations which will transcribe differently than Russian. Not to mention all of the NON-slavic languages that use Cyrillic, like Abkhazian, Chechen, Kyrgyz, and so on whose pronunciation and transcription rules are even more different than the Slavic languages.

Also: Ukrainian and Russian have been separate branches of Slavic language for 1000 years, and there are in fact differences in pronunciation and appropriate transcription between the two. It's not "It's all the same."

On another note, the use of Cyrillic in Ukraine predates the use of it in Russia. The Kievan Rus' of Ukraine adopted it in the 10th century from the Bulgarians of Tsar Simeon I. Moscow was, at the time, nothing but a swamp. Moscow wasn't even founded until 1147. At the time, the city of Kyiv had already existed for at least 600 years.

Given all of the rich history of Ukraine going back millennia, it's wild that Russian propagandists still try to say dumb things like "Ukrainian is not a language, it's just a broken dialect of Russian" when that's clearly not true, or that "Ukrainians are not a people, they are just confused Russians" which is also clearly not true. They must count on their audiences being completely ignorant of history.

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Well said.

Why doesn’t Kiev mayor Klitschko’s adult son speak it? US passport holder too and “goes to school “ in UK, conveniently avoiding the front.

Brush up on a little history and you will learn that all throughout the Soviet era, Russian was imposed on Ukrainians. Kind of like how the English tried to stamp out Scots and Gaelic.

It’s not imposition when you are given a world language not instead of but in addition to a small regional language

But Russan is not and has never been a world language.

It’s a language you can use to speak in about 12-15 countries now. Ukrainian? Not so much

RIP Ethan Hertweck, another American mercenary killed fighting for Ukraine

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Anonymous wrote:I am laughing at the Russian bot farm posts.

This totally sucks for Ukraine- but still a great ROI and easy way to kill Russians.

I want Ukraine to win; fund them at 3x current levels.

Russians are like the worst people on the planet with those whacko ISIS groups.
The more dead of them both the better for the civilized world.
This is simply an investment to diminish the barbarian horde known as Russia. Money well spent.

Only if you assign the Ukrainian dead the value of zero.

At least they are dying with a rifle in their hand and not in a prison or gas chamber that the Russians will put most Ukrainian in if they took over.

Putin wiould kill all Ukrainians if given the opportunity. He is like Hitler- but more of a jerk.

Strawman
If they didn’t fight he would just take over and the life would go on for them
They are all post soviet, all people in power in the ex ussr
It’s all the same despite what many want to believe

. So Russia should get eastern Germany too? Seems logical.

Revanchist Soviet era nostalgia has taken over Putin's aging, addled brain.

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Anonymous wrote:I am laughing at the Russian bot farm posts.

This totally sucks for Ukraine- but still a great ROI and easy way to kill Russians.

I want Ukraine to win; fund them at 3x current levels.

Russians are like the worst people on the planet with those whacko ISIS groups.
The more dead of them both the better for the civilized world.
This is simply an investment to diminish the barbarian horde known as Russia. Money well spent.

Only if you assign the Ukrainian dead the value of zero.

At least they are dying with a rifle in their hand and not in a prison or gas chamber that the Russians will put most Ukrainian in if they took over.

Putin wiould kill all Ukrainians if given the opportunity. He is like Hitler- but more of a jerk.

Strawman
If they didn’t fight he would just take over and the life would go on for them
They are all post soviet, all people in power in the ex ussr
It’s all the same despite what many want to believe

. So Russia should get eastern Germany too? Seems logical.

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Anonymous wrote:Hard working Americans that lay sheet rock today, frame homes, and roof, should not have to pay taxes to support a war effort that wealthy Ukranians turn their back on.

Ukraine is a not a country is a former province with a gas station.

Spoken like a true Russian. Ukrainians are people. People who want to be free of Russian tyranny. People who want to determine their own fate.

It's a concept that Russians serving their government wouldn't understand. They're just slaves, for all intents and purposes.

DP and I am Ukrainian. I totally support PP and a lot of Ukrainians sick and tired of this ongoing money laundering. Everyone in Ukraine knows the war will stop as soon as Americans will stop pumping money into it.

What part of Ukraine? Russian or Ukrainian speaking?

Are you prepared to become a Russian satellite town? And to get thrown in jail for disagreeing with Putin?

lol so you don't think there are people in jail today for disagreeing with Zelensky?

Most likely they were not arrested for "disagreeing with Zelensky" but for something very different. Gonzalo Lira for example was arrested for giving away Ukrainian troop positions to Russia but dishonest propagandists lied about that and claimed it was merely because he didn't agree with Zelenskyy. And by the way, spelling it "Zelensky" is a giveaway - that's how Russians write it. They are sloppy propagandists.

You are incorrect. Zelenskiy's family is from Donbass area and Zelenskiy is not a Ukrainian last name. He tries to look more Ukrainian by substituting "I" sound by "y", but it does not make him more Ukrainian unfortunately. His first foreign passport spelling was Zelenskiy.

Lol look at you flailing and defensively trying to shift the goal posts away...

You were caught with the very Russian spelling of "Zelensky" but now you're falsely trying to pretend you were saying "Zelenskiy" which is more consistent with Ukrainian and Belarussian spelling - and even there you are wrong and your attempts at attributing it to being a Donbas thing or trying to suggest he wants to sound more Ukrainian is a swing and a miss. His family is Jewish, and like many Jews living in Slavic lands, they adapted the Slavic word for their Ashkenazi family name, in Zelenskyy's case that being Grün (green).

Russians don’t write in English, silly. Both countries use Cyrillic.

All this Zelenskyy, Zelenski, Zelenskiy business is just transcribers having fun.

DP, but every Russian and Ukrainian's international passports are in English, silly.

Correct but there are no set transcribing rules. How do you transcribe, for instance, a Cyrillic ж? Like a j or like a zh? What about a common ending like ий? Is it a y, a yy, an i, an iy, an yi, or an ii? What about a я, is it a ya or an ia?

It’s whatever convention is in force at the time the passport is issued. But depend upon it: Zelensky the president and any other Zelenski, Zelenskiy, or Zelenskyyyyyyy pronounce their names in the exact same way.

Nope. It doesn't depend on the fact of Cyrillic, it depends on the LANGUAGE being used. Surely you should know that Cyrillic isn't just used for Russian, it is also used for a whole variety of Slavic languages like Bulgarian, Serbian, Macedonian, etc each of which has its own pronunciation rules and variations which will transcribe differently than Russian. Not to mention all of the NON-slavic languages that use Cyrillic, like Abkhazian, Chechen, Kyrgyz, and so on whose pronunciation and transcription rules are even more different than the Slavic languages.

Also: Ukrainian and Russian have been separate branches of Slavic language for 1000 years, and there are in fact differences in pronunciation and appropriate transcription between the two. It's not "It's all the same."

On another note, the use of Cyrillic in Ukraine predates the use of it in Russia. The Kievan Rus' of Ukraine adopted it in the 10th century from the Bulgarians of Tsar Simeon I. Moscow was, at the time, nothing but a swamp. Moscow wasn't even founded until 1147. At the time, the city of Kyiv had already existed for at least 600 years.

Given all of the rich history of Ukraine going back millennia, it's wild that Russian propagandists still try to say dumb things like "Ukrainian is not a language, it's just a broken dialect of Russian" when that's clearly not true, or that "Ukrainians are not a people, they are just confused Russians" which is also clearly not true. They must count on their audiences being completely ignorant of history.

Agree -
Well said.

Why doesn’t Kiev mayor Klitschko’s adult son speak it? US passport holder too and “goes to school “ in UK, conveniently avoiding the front.

Brush up on a little history and you will learn that all throughout the Soviet era, Russian was imposed on Ukrainians. Kind of like how the English tried to stamp out Scots and Gaelic.

It’s not imposition when you are given a world language not instead of but in addition to a small regional language

But Russan is not and has never been a world language.

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Anonymous wrote:I am laughing at the Russian bot farm posts.

This totally sucks for Ukraine- but still a great ROI and easy way to kill Russians.

I want Ukraine to win; fund them at 3x current levels.

Russians are like the worst people on the planet with those whacko ISIS groups.
The more dead of them both the better for the civilized world.
This is simply an investment to diminish the barbarian horde known as Russia. Money well spent.

Only if you assign the Ukrainian dead the value of zero.

At least they are dying with a rifle in their hand and not in a prison or gas chamber that the Russians will put most Ukrainian in if they took over.

Putin would kill all Ukrainians if given the opportunity. He is like Hitler- but more of a jerk.

Don’t be dramatic. This is not reality.

Actually, it is. It's a stated goal to wipe out Ukraine as a nationality.

Here's a link - watch all the clips on the right hand side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMjd1IVgAQU&list=PLLWQyEN3YRo7bpdyPlWscpvx2O8qSu0T1

You may have missed Putin's threat when he first started the war? His "sleeping beauty" comment?

"Putin criticized Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for failing to implement the protocol, and referenced an obscene song lyric to demonstrate what he wanted. "Whether you like it or don't like it, bear with it, my beauty," Putin said. Russia experts noted that Putin appeared to be quoting from "Sleeping Beauty in a Coffin" by the Soviet-era punk rock group Red Mold. "Sleeping beauty in a coffin, I crept up and f****d her. Like it, or dislike it, sleep my beauty," the English translation of the Russian lyrics reads."
https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-macron-meeting-quote-obscene-lyrics-show-russia-ukraine-demands-2022-2

Sure enough, he let his soldiers use rape as a weapon in Ukraine.

But you seem okay with that?

Putin's army has been in Crimea since 2014. In Eastern Ukraine just about since then. Have there been mass executions? I think not. I despise the guy but let's not pretend he "wants to kill all Ukrainians". That's just overwrought nonsense.

What do you think would Biden say if Putin announced he no longer wants to abide by the terms of the treaty to which his country was a signatory? It wouldn't be as crude as that, but I'm sure it would be some version of "a deal's a deal no matter how you feel."

Here are civilian apartment buildings burning.

2018: "247,000 Russians have moved to Crimea since annexation. At the same time, about 140,000 people have left, mostly Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars who moved to the Ukrainian mainland"
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-accused-of-reshaping-annexed-crimea-demographics-ukraine/29262130.html

2023: "more than 500,000 Russian citizens moving to Crimea since 2014"
https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/in-crimea-pro-ukraine-feelings-prompt-a-russian-crackdown-123494b0

"the reformatting of the World is underway. We should clearly understand we have the goals of our special military operation, but as the President [Putin] said, we also have a goal of a strategic reformatting of the World. It can't be postponed. We should take advantage of the fact that Western institutions are largely destabilized."
[6:53 / 7:53] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqS3uguNl5M

I really don't like liars (or traitors).

Your personal preferences are irrelevant. Nothing you posted constitutes proof of Putin wanting to kill every last Ukrainian.

There are in fact, several million Ukrainians who live in Russia. And ethnic Ukrainians are one of the largest ethnic groups in Russia. If Putin aimed to kill Ukrainians, he really didn't need to leave home.

1. The other poster who you were arguing with said "Putin would kill all Ukrainians if given the opportunity. He is like Hitler- but more of a jerk"
2. Your response was "Don’t be dramatic. This is not reality."
3. My response to your response was "Actually, it is. It's a stated goal to wipe out Ukraine as a nationality."
4. This is where you changed the argument to read "let's not pretend he "wants to kill all[\b] Ukrainians". [b]That's just overwrought nonsense. "
5. I supplied evidence to counter your (false) assertion that the deaths in Ukraine were "just overwrought nonsense"
6. To which you twisted the words a second time to claim "Your personal preferences are irrelevant. Nothing you posted constitutes proof of Putin wanting to kill every last Ukrainian.", using the basis of ethnicity when the original state dealt with Ukrainian nationalism. Ex. Margharita Simonian is an ethnic Armenian, but is banned in her own home country of Armenia for her pro-Russian propaganda.

What a wonderfully narrow semantic definition. You're truly a poser channeling Neville Chamberlain, using simplistic Russian-style sophistry. And you are Russian, correct? Your dismissal of logic and statement that "personal preferences are irrelevant" give you away, my friend.

https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Rasha-Parasha-Putin-Khujlo-by-Yaroslavka/140750311.6VDG0

But you'll be happy to know that a very special event will happen in 11 days. I believe it will be the trigger for an 18 month sequence of events in Russia that even Putin can't stop. You should start shopping your resume now and getting the t-shirt would be a nice touch? You know, to get ahead of the curve.

Let's cut this down to the good bits:

"Putin would kill all Ukrainians, given an opportunity".

"This is nonsense."

Also, I believe you've made quite a few predictions over the course of this thread, and none of them have come true so far. You make a very poor Cassandra but don't let that stop you - for comedy value alone is good enough.

Simonian isn't banned for pro-Russian propaganda, she is banned for other reasons.

I got Prigozhin correct. Did you?

True, the prediction regarding either or both Solovyov and Shoigu did not come true by the end of December (yet). Let me explain why.

Putin desperately needs a scapegoat to pin failures in Ukraine upon. I thought he would be smart enough to do this by January 1st, ahead of the March elections. If he replaced Solovyov, then he would be blaming the ultranationalists for goading him into war. If he replaced Shoigu, then he would be blaming the military for failing to take Ukraine. Until now, he's done neither. This means that he's still (to his own detriment) owning the failure(s) personally. Honestly, I thought Putin was smarter than this, but this seems to indicate his personal internal power base is weak and he needs their support no matter what?

""In this sense, if I may say so, they outplayed us," Putin said"
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-west-outplayed-russia-ukraine-2014-minsk-agreements-1853765

So the question now is - how long can this go on? Like I said, my prediction is 18 months from January. What's yours? Come on, now. Put your cards down. Let's see your hand and who's a better Cassandra?

DP. My prediction is that this will go on in one shape or form or another for 10 more years

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Anonymous wrote:I am laughing at the Russian bot farm posts.

This totally sucks for Ukraine- but still a great ROI and easy way to kill Russians.

I want Ukraine to win; fund them at 3x current levels.

Russians are like the worst people on the planet with those whacko ISIS groups.
The more dead of them both the better for the civilized world.
This is simply an investment to diminish the barbarian horde known as Russia. Money well spent.

Only if you assign the Ukrainian dead the value of zero.

At least they are dying with a rifle in their hand and not in a prison or gas chamber that the Russians will put most Ukrainian in if they took over.

Putin wiould kill all Ukrainians if given the opportunity. He is like Hitler- but more of a jerk.

Don’t be dramatic. This is not reality.

lol. Putin is a wannabe Hitler; just Russians are inferior intellectually to Germans and cannot get out of the their own way with corruption.
If Russians were 33% as capable as Germans the world be in serious trouble with Putin.

Luckily, for the most part; Russians are incompetent morons on the battlefield.

I look forward to watching Moscow burn in 2024z

You won’t see it guess why? Because the west is fine with letting Ukrainians die to slowly bleed Russia out but not to destroy it completely

Not wrong.

The West has been very happy to see Russia bleed out. Their stupid invasion has been a gift. The longer this goes on, the better for NATO. But as long as Russians are willing to die and destroy their military, I mean the Western world will say okey dokey Russia. Be idiots if you want to.

I was talking about the “Moscow burning” bit. It won’t happen.
But yes it will become a grim place

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Anonymous wrote:I am laughing at the Russian bot farm posts.

This totally sucks for Ukraine- but still a great ROI and easy way to kill Russians.

I want Ukraine to win; fund them at 3x current levels.

Russians are like the worst people on the planet with those whacko ISIS groups.
The more dead of them both the better for the civilized world.
This is simply an investment to diminish the barbarian horde known as Russia. Money well spent.

Only if you assign the Ukrainian dead the value of zero.

At least they are dying with a rifle in their hand and not in a prison or gas chamber that the Russians will put most Ukrainian in if they took over.

Putin wiould kill all Ukrainians if given the opportunity. He is like Hitler- but more of a jerk.

Don’t be dramatic. This is not reality.

lol. Putin is a wannabe Hitler; just Russians are inferior intellectually to Germans and cannot get out of the their own way with corruption.
If Russians were 33% as capable as Germans the world be in serious trouble with Putin.

Luckily, for the most part; Russians are incompetent morons on the battlefield.

I look forward to watching Moscow burn in 2024z

You won’t see it guess why? Because the west is fine with letting Ukrainians die to slowly bleed Russia out but not to destroy it completely

I don't see it this way. The West has only supplied arms, training, information to Ukraine; largely since it's a non-NATO country so direct involvement is difficult.

However, there is a new dynamic on the battlefield that will alter the course of the war, imho. The coldest part of Winter is yet to come in Ukraine. Ever been sick with a fever and had to sleep in the snow without heat or a fire to keep you warm?

"Russian soldiers are suffering from an outbreak of rat-bite fever"
"Transmitted by dust from rodent excrement, symptoms of the disease include migraines, high temperatures, reduced blood pressure, rashes, vomiting and bleeding from the eyes. The streptococcal infection is said to have spread rapidly on the Kupyansk front due to complaints initially falling on deaf ears, as Russian commanders believed soldiers were trying to avoid fighting."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/20/russia-ukraine-war-latest-news-front-line-attack-putin-live/#:~:text=Russian%20soldiers%20hit%20by%20rat,blood%20pressure%2C%20rashes%20and%20nausea.

The rats will be attracted to the Russian front line positions for both food and warmth. Those heat sources along the front lines will light up Russian positions like a Christmas tree. The Russians don't have many thermal optics, but the Ukrainians should be well equipped to pick off Russian forward positions - all it takes is one Bradley or M1 rolling up within optical range. True, Russians still have artillery and planes, but they aren't too accurate compared to Western counterparts.

So what is the Russian military command doing to help their soldiers? Jacked up soldiers whine less.

"Mephedrone, amphetamines, and alpha-PVP, known as "salt", are among the substances that Russian soldiers on the frontline take, with effects including paranoia and hallucinations"
https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-soldiers-get-drugs-sent-to-trenches-are-bored-report-2023-10

Even if cold and disease doesn't cause Russian troops to surrender at key points along the front lines this winter, since (mostly) the Russians refused to collect their dead from the battlefield, those accumulating bodies are now frozen solid. By spring they will thaw. See where I'm going with this?

The Russian military has constructed a time bomb of their own making.

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Anonymous wrote:I am laughing at the Russian bot farm posts.

This totally sucks for Ukraine- but still a great ROI and easy way to kill Russians.

I want Ukraine to win; fund them at 3x current levels.

Russians are like the worst people on the planet with those whacko ISIS groups.
The more dead of them both the better for the civilized world.
This is simply an investment to diminish the barbarian horde known as Russia. Money well spent.

Only if you assign the Ukrainian dead the value of zero.

At least they are dying with a rifle in their hand and not in a prison or gas chamber that the Russians will put most Ukrainian in if they took over.

Putin would kill all Ukrainians if given the opportunity. He is like Hitler- but more of a jerk.

Don’t be dramatic. This is not reality.

Actually, it is. It's a stated goal to wipe out Ukraine as a nationality.

Here's a link - watch all the clips on the right hand side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMjd1IVgAQU&list=PLLWQyEN3YRo7bpdyPlWscpvx2O8qSu0T1

You may have missed Putin's threat when he first started the war? His "sleeping beauty" comment?

"Putin criticized Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for failing to implement the protocol, and referenced an obscene song lyric to demonstrate what he wanted. "Whether you like it or don't like it, bear with it, my beauty," Putin said. Russia experts noted that Putin appeared to be quoting from "Sleeping Beauty in a Coffin" by the Soviet-era punk rock group Red Mold. "Sleeping beauty in a coffin, I crept up and f****d her. Like it, or dislike it, sleep my beauty," the English translation of the Russian lyrics reads."
https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-macron-meeting-quote-obscene-lyrics-show-russia-ukraine-demands-2022-2

Sure enough, he let his soldiers use rape as a weapon in Ukraine.

But you seem okay with that?

Putin's army has been in Crimea since 2014. In Eastern Ukraine just about since then. Have there been mass executions? I think not. I despise the guy but let's not pretend he "wants to kill all Ukrainians". That's just overwrought nonsense.

What do you think would Biden say if Putin announced he no longer wants to abide by the terms of the treaty to which his country was a signatory? It wouldn't be as crude as that, but I'm sure it would be some version of "a deal's a deal no matter how you feel."

Here are civilian apartment buildings burning.

2018: "247,000 Russians have moved to Crimea since annexation. At the same time, about 140,000 people have left, mostly Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars who moved to the Ukrainian mainland"
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-accused-of-reshaping-annexed-crimea-demographics-ukraine/29262130.html

2023: "more than 500,000 Russian citizens moving to Crimea since 2014"
https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/in-crimea-pro-ukraine-feelings-prompt-a-russian-crackdown-123494b0

"the reformatting of the World is underway. We should clearly understand we have the goals of our special military operation, but as the President [Putin] said, we also have a goal of a strategic reformatting of the World. It can't be postponed. We should take advantage of the fact that Western institutions are largely destabilized."
[6:53 / 7:53] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqS3uguNl5M

I really don't like liars (or traitors).

Your personal preferences are irrelevant. Nothing you posted constitutes proof of Putin wanting to kill every last Ukrainian.

There are in fact, several million Ukrainians who live in Russia. And ethnic Ukrainians are one of the largest ethnic groups in Russia. If Putin aimed to kill Ukrainians, he really didn't need to leave home.

1. The other poster who you were arguing with said "Putin would kill all Ukrainians if given the opportunity. He is like Hitler- but more of a jerk"
2. Your response was "Don’t be dramatic. This is not reality."
3. My response to your response was "Actually, it is. It's a stated goal to wipe out Ukraine as a nationality."
4. This is where you changed the argument to read "let's not pretend he "wants to kill all[\b] Ukrainians". [b]That's just overwrought nonsense. "
5. I supplied evidence to counter your (false) assertion that the deaths in Ukraine were "just overwrought nonsense"
6. To which you twisted the words a second time to claim "Your personal preferences are irrelevant. Nothing you posted constitutes proof of Putin wanting to kill every last Ukrainian.", using the basis of ethnicity when the original state dealt with Ukrainian nationalism. Ex. Margharita Simonian is an ethnic Armenian, but is banned in her own home country of Armenia for her pro-Russian propaganda.

What a wonderfully narrow semantic definition. You're truly a poser channeling Neville Chamberlain, using simplistic Russian-style sophistry. And you are Russian, correct? Your dismissal of logic and statement that "personal preferences are irrelevant" give you away, my friend.

https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Rasha-Parasha-Putin-Khujlo-by-Yaroslavka/140750311.6VDG0

But you'll be happy to know that a very special event will happen in 11 days. I believe it will be the trigger for an 18 month sequence of events in Russia that even Putin can't stop. You should start shopping your resume now and getting the t-shirt would be a nice touch? You know, to get ahead of the curve.

Let's cut this down to the good bits:

"Putin would kill all Ukrainians, given an opportunity".

"This is nonsense."

Also, I believe you've made quite a few predictions over the course of this thread, and none of them have come true so far. You make a very poor Cassandra but don't let that stop you - for comedy value alone is good enough.

Simonian isn't banned for pro-Russian propaganda, she is banned for other reasons.

I got Prigozhin correct. Did you?

True, the prediction regarding either or both Solovyov and Shoigu did not come true by the end of December (yet). Let me explain why.

Putin desperately needs a scapegoat to pin failures in Ukraine upon. I thought he would be smart enough to do this by January 1st, ahead of the March elections. If he replaced Solovyov, then he would be blaming the ultranationalists for goading him into war. If he replaced Shoigu, then he would be blaming the military for failing to take Ukraine. Until now, he's done neither. This means that he's still (to his own detriment) owning the failure(s) personally. Honestly, I thought Putin was smarter than this, but this seems to indicate his personal internal power base is weak and he needs their support no matter what?

""In this sense, if I may say so, they outplayed us," Putin said"
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-west-outplayed-russia-ukraine-2014-minsk-agreements-1853765

So the question now is - how long can this go on? Like I said, my prediction is 18 months from January. What's yours? Come on, now. Put your cards down. Let's see your hand and who's a better Cassandra?

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Anonymous wrote:I am laughing at the Russian bot farm posts.

This totally sucks for Ukraine- but still a great ROI and easy way to kill Russians.

I want Ukraine to win; fund them at 3x current levels.

Russians are like the worst people on the planet with those whacko ISIS groups.
The more dead of them both the better for the civilized world.
This is simply an investment to diminish the barbarian horde known as Russia. Money well spent.

Only if you assign the Ukrainian dead the value of zero.

At least they are dying with a rifle in their hand and not in a prison or gas chamber that the Russians will put most Ukrainian in if they took over.

Putin wiould kill all Ukrainians if given the opportunity. He is like Hitler- but more of a jerk.

Don’t be dramatic. This is not reality.

lol. Putin is a wannabe Hitler; just Russians are inferior intellectually to Germans and cannot get out of the their own way with corruption.
If Russians were 33% as capable as Germans the world be in serious trouble with Putin.

Luckily, for the most part; Russians are incompetent morons on the battlefield.

I look forward to watching Moscow burn in 2024z

You won’t see it guess why? Because the west is fine with letting Ukrainians die to slowly bleed Russia out but not to destroy it completely

Not wrong.

The West has been very happy to see Russia bleed out. Their stupid invasion has been a gift. The longer this goes on, the better for NATO. But as long as Russians are willing to die and destroy their military, I mean the Western world will say okey dokey Russia. Be idiots if you want to.

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Anonymous wrote:I am laughing at the Russian bot farm posts.

This totally sucks for Ukraine- but still a great ROI and easy way to kill Russians.

I want Ukraine to win; fund them at 3x current levels.

Russians are like the worst people on the planet with those whacko ISIS groups.
The more dead of them both the better for the civilized world.
This is simply an investment to diminish the barbarian horde known as Russia. Money well spent.

Only if you assign the Ukrainian dead the value of zero.

At least they are dying with a rifle in their hand and not in a prison or gas chamber that the Russians will put most Ukrainian in if they took over.

Putin wiould kill all Ukrainians if given the opportunity. He is like Hitler- but more of a jerk.

Don’t be dramatic. This is not reality.

lol. Putin is a wannabe Hitler; just Russians are inferior intellectually to Germans and cannot get out of the their own way with corruption.
If Russians were 33% as capable as Germans the world be in serious trouble with Putin.

Luckily, for the most part; Russians are incompetent morons on the battlefield.

I look forward to watching Moscow burn in 2024z

You won’t see it guess why? Because the west is fine with letting Ukrainians die to slowly bleed Russia out but not to destroy it completely

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Anonymous wrote:To me it is a typical better red than dead situation. It’s not fair that Ukraine is losing territories but I would rather live under Putin than be dead or exiled trying to survive. Maybe it’s just me.

Yeah. It's just you.

But if you want to, go ahead and migrate to Moscow. From the US, you're free to leave anytime.

"The interior ministry is preparing the legislation that would bar visitors from criticizing Russian policy or discrediting Soviet history. It would also require that they respect traditional Russian family values, culture and environment"
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/29/russian-lawmakers-to-mull-draft-loyalty-agreement-law-for-foreigners

Good luck!

I am not in this predicament. But if I were that’s what I would choose. They are all the same despite what some want to believe

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Anonymous wrote:Hard working Americans that lay sheet rock today, frame homes, and roof, should not have to pay taxes to support a war effort that wealthy Ukranians turn their back on.

Ukraine is a not a country is a former province with a gas station.

Spoken like a true Russian. Ukrainians are people. People who want to be free of Russian tyranny. People who want to determine their own fate.

It's a concept that Russians serving their government wouldn't understand. They're just slaves, for all intents and purposes.

DP and I am Ukrainian. I totally support PP and a lot of Ukrainians sick and tired of this ongoing money laundering. Everyone in Ukraine knows the war will stop as soon as Americans will stop pumping money into it.

What part of Ukraine? Russian or Ukrainian speaking?

Are you prepared to become a Russian satellite town? And to get thrown in jail for disagreeing with Putin?

lol so you don't think there are people in jail today for disagreeing with Zelensky?

Most likely they were not arrested for "disagreeing with Zelensky" but for something very different. Gonzalo Lira for example was arrested for giving away Ukrainian troop positions to Russia but dishonest propagandists lied about that and claimed it was merely because he didn't agree with Zelenskyy. And by the way, spelling it "Zelensky" is a giveaway - that's how Russians write it. They are sloppy propagandists.

You are incorrect. Zelenskiy's family is from Donbass area and Zelenskiy is not a Ukrainian last name. He tries to look more Ukrainian by substituting "I" sound by "y", but it does not make him more Ukrainian unfortunately. His first foreign passport spelling was Zelenskiy.

Lol look at you flailing and defensively trying to shift the goal posts away...

You were caught with the very Russian spelling of "Zelensky" but now you're falsely trying to pretend you were saying "Zelenskiy" which is more consistent with Ukrainian and Belarussian spelling - and even there you are wrong and your attempts at attributing it to being a Donbas thing or trying to suggest he wants to sound more Ukrainian is a swing and a miss. His family is Jewish, and like many Jews living in Slavic lands, they adapted the Slavic word for their Ashkenazi family name, in Zelenskyy's case that being Grün (green).

Russians don’t write in English, silly. Both countries use Cyrillic.

All this Zelenskyy, Zelenski, Zelenskiy business is just transcribers having fun.

DP, but every Russian and Ukrainian's international passports are in English, silly.

Correct but there are no set transcribing rules. How do you transcribe, for instance, a Cyrillic ж? Like a j or like a zh? What about a common ending like ий? Is it a y, a yy, an i, an iy, an yi, or an ii? What about a я, is it a ya or an ia?

It’s whatever convention is in force at the time the passport is issued. But depend upon it: Zelensky the president and any other Zelenski, Zelenskiy, or Zelenskyyyyyyy pronounce their names in the exact same way.

Nope. It doesn't depend on the fact of Cyrillic, it depends on the LANGUAGE being used. Surely you should know that Cyrillic isn't just used for Russian, it is also used for a whole variety of Slavic languages like Bulgarian, Serbian, Macedonian, etc each of which has its own pronunciation rules and variations which will transcribe differently than Russian. Not to mention all of the NON-slavic languages that use Cyrillic, like Abkhazian, Chechen, Kyrgyz, and so on whose pronunciation and transcription rules are even more different than the Slavic languages.

Also: Ukrainian and Russian have been separate branches of Slavic language for 1000 years, and there are in fact differences in pronunciation and appropriate transcription between the two. It's not "It's all the same."

On another note, the use of Cyrillic in Ukraine predates the use of it in Russia. The Kievan Rus' of Ukraine adopted it in the 10th century from the Bulgarians of Tsar Simeon I. Moscow was, at the time, nothing but a swamp. Moscow wasn't even founded until 1147. At the time, the city of Kyiv had already existed for at least 600 years.

Given all of the rich history of Ukraine going back millennia, it's wild that Russian propagandists still try to say dumb things like "Ukrainian is not a language, it's just a broken dialect of Russian" when that's clearly not true, or that "Ukrainians are not a people, they are just confused Russians" which is also clearly not true. They must count on their audiences being completely ignorant of history.

Agree -
Well said.

Why doesn’t Kiev mayor Klitschko’s adult son speak it? US passport holder too and “goes to school “ in UK, conveniently avoiding the front.

Brush up on a little history and you will learn that all throughout the Soviet era, Russian was imposed on Ukrainians. Kind of like how the English tried to stamp out Scots and Gaelic.

It’s not imposition when you are given a world language not instead of but in addition to a small regional language