Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 20:18     Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also a timeline from the sheriff:

Saturday, Aug. 14: Jonathan Gerrish researches Hites Cove hike via a phone app.
Sunday, Aug. 15: 7:45 a.m., witness sees the Gerrish/Chung family traveling toward the trailhead in their vehicle.
Monday, Aug. 16: 11 p.m., a family friend reports the family missing.
Tuesday, Aug. 17: 1:53 a.m., the family’s car is located down Hites Cove Road north of Jerseydale.
Tuesday, Aug. 17: 1:55 a.m., a search and rescue mission is initiated.
Tuesday, Aug. 17: 11 a.m., the family is found dead on the Savage-Lundy Trail by a search and rescue team.
Thursday, Aug. 19: Autopsies are completed on the family and dog, “all currently pending toxicology.”
Friday, Aug. 20: Search warrants issued for a phone found with the family.
Friday, Aug. 20: Search warrants issued for the family’s home and cars. “Nothing significant” is found.
Monday, Aug. 23: Additional water samples are collected from water sources “along the trail area.”
Tuesday, Aug. 24: A cell phone is delivered to the FBI for data extraction, “awaiting results.”
Wednesday, Aug. 25: Search warrants issued for “possible social media access.”


So likely simultaneous natural causes. What are the odds for that.


What is wrong with you? It was obviously murder/suicide.

I feel so bad for the mom. She tried to get away…it must’ve been awful for her.


I feel like people leaping to this silly and again, the dog is a complicating factor, but whatever.

But pp, despite you feeling for mom, if this was family annihilating by poison it is actually much more likely mom was the perpetrator statistically


I’m basing my opinion on the disclosed evidence, which clearly points to the dad being the killer. The dog would be killed because he was part of the family. I don’t understand why you don’t get that.




Are you thinking that he poisoned the water on the trail? That's an unusual theory.


No.

I think he had cyanide (or another fast-acting poison) in the canteen before they left for the hike. When it was time, he gave it to (or forced it on) the mom first. She runs off in agony and dies. He then feeds it to the dog, the baby, and himself…placing everyone seated next to each other.

It’s pretty twisted, really.

Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 20:17     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder if prior to the hike before arriving they might have drank some kind of energy drink or natural energy drink and thought nothing of it.

Starts on the hike, they get racing heartbeat, headache, etc from a combo of the heat and some ingredient that didn’t agree with them or they didn’t realize the effects of the ingredients. They decide to sit down for a few minutes to rest. They just can’t get themselves back up and eventually pass out. They all succumb to heat stroke.


Seems far fetched and doesn’t explain baby or dog
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 20:15     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think “it was only 1.5 miles to the car” is a simple statement. It was 1.5 grueling steep uphill hike in very hot weather. With a dog and an infant in a carrier.


We don’t actually know it was super hot though. It was only in the 70s with no humidity in the morning and didn’t hit the 100s til after noon.


The local news says they were hiking At 11AM on Sunday morning. They were also found in a remote area at 3AM which means that the scene probably got all trampled. It’s very remote in the middle of the night. At 11AM it was 107-109F.


According to the timeline, they started shortly after 7:45 AM, when it was much cooler. It may have been 11 AM when they were returning to their car, but they started early in the day.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 20:12     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think “it was only 1.5 miles to the car” is a simple statement. It was 1.5 grueling steep uphill hike in very hot weather. With a dog and an infant in a carrier.


We don’t actually know it was super hot though. It was only in the 70s with no humidity in the morning and didn’t hit the 100s til after noon.


The local news says they were hiking At 11AM on Sunday morning. They were also found in a remote area at 3AM which means that the scene probably got all trampled. It’s very remote in the middle of the night. At 11AM it was 107-109F.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 20:08     Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also a timeline from the sheriff:

Saturday, Aug. 14: Jonathan Gerrish researches Hites Cove hike via a phone app.
Sunday, Aug. 15: 7:45 a.m., witness sees the Gerrish/Chung family traveling toward the trailhead in their vehicle.
Monday, Aug. 16: 11 p.m., a family friend reports the family missing.
Tuesday, Aug. 17: 1:53 a.m., the family’s car is located down Hites Cove Road north of Jerseydale.
Tuesday, Aug. 17: 1:55 a.m., a search and rescue mission is initiated.
Tuesday, Aug. 17: 11 a.m., the family is found dead on the Savage-Lundy Trail by a search and rescue team.
Thursday, Aug. 19: Autopsies are completed on the family and dog, “all currently pending toxicology.”
Friday, Aug. 20: Search warrants issued for a phone found with the family.
Friday, Aug. 20: Search warrants issued for the family’s home and cars. “Nothing significant” is found.
Monday, Aug. 23: Additional water samples are collected from water sources “along the trail area.”
Tuesday, Aug. 24: A cell phone is delivered to the FBI for data extraction, “awaiting results.”
Wednesday, Aug. 25: Search warrants issued for “possible social media access.”


So likely simultaneous natural causes. What are the odds for that.


What is wrong with you? It was obviously murder/suicide.

I feel so bad for the mom. She tried to get away…it must’ve been awful for her.


I feel like people leaping to this silly and again, the dog is a complicating factor, but whatever.

But pp, despite you feeling for mom, if this was family annihilating by poison it is actually much more likely mom was the perpetrator statistically


I’m basing my opinion on the disclosed evidence, which clearly points to the dad being the killer. The dog would be killed because he was part of the family. I don’t understand why you don’t get that.




Are you thinking that he poisoned the water on the trail? That's an unusual theory.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 20:07     Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There's an update!

https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article253770788.html

Weapons or “chemical hazards” along a trail have been “ruled out” as a possible cause of death in a mysterious case of a Mariposa family found dead while hiking in Sierra National Forest over a week ago.

“ALL other potential causes of death remain,” the Mariposa County Sheriff’s Office said Thursday while sharing a brief timeline of the investigation into the deaths of Jonathan Gerrish, 45, Ellen Chung, 30, and their 1-year-old daughter, Aurelia Miju Chung-Gerrish and 8-year-old dog, Oski, described as an Aussie-Akita mix.



Does that mean the CO gas thing is not a possibility?


It was never a viable possibility, PP.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 20:06     Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also a timeline from the sheriff:

Saturday, Aug. 14: Jonathan Gerrish researches Hites Cove hike via a phone app.
Sunday, Aug. 15: 7:45 a.m., witness sees the Gerrish/Chung family traveling toward the trailhead in their vehicle.
Monday, Aug. 16: 11 p.m., a family friend reports the family missing.
Tuesday, Aug. 17: 1:53 a.m., the family’s car is located down Hites Cove Road north of Jerseydale.
Tuesday, Aug. 17: 1:55 a.m., a search and rescue mission is initiated.
Tuesday, Aug. 17: 11 a.m., the family is found dead on the Savage-Lundy Trail by a search and rescue team.
Thursday, Aug. 19: Autopsies are completed on the family and dog, “all currently pending toxicology.”
Friday, Aug. 20: Search warrants issued for a phone found with the family.
Friday, Aug. 20: Search warrants issued for the family’s home and cars. “Nothing significant” is found.
Monday, Aug. 23: Additional water samples are collected from water sources “along the trail area.”
Tuesday, Aug. 24: A cell phone is delivered to the FBI for data extraction, “awaiting results.”
Wednesday, Aug. 25: Search warrants issued for “possible social media access.”


So likely simultaneous natural causes. What are the odds for that.


What is wrong with you? It was obviously murder/suicide.

I feel so bad for the mom. She tried to get away…it must’ve been awful for her.


I feel like people leaping to this silly and again, the dog is a complicating factor, but whatever.

But pp, despite you feeling for mom, if this was family annihilating by poison it is actually much more likely mom was the perpetrator statistically


I’m basing my opinion on the disclosed evidence, which clearly points to the dad being the killer. The dog would be killed because he was part of the family. I don’t understand why you don’t get that.


Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 20:06     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Knowing the dog was an Akita Aussie mix, I’m not buying the heat stroke. It would take a while for a dog like that to die of heat stroke or dehydration and it would be both strong enough and smart enough to pull itself free from a leash, especially if the dad just sat down exhausted, in which was he was probably just holding the leash. Most dog owners won’t tie up their dog unless they are going into a store and don’t want to dog to follow. No way he sits down, overcome by heat, and decides to tie up the dog securely.
Does anyone know if the dog was tied, or just lying down next to the dad dead?
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 20:04     Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
Interesting that nothing significant was found in the family’s home or cars. If it had been a pre-planned poisoning, you’d think they would have found evidence of that.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 20:00     Subject: What happened to this California family?
I have to wonder if prior to the hike before arriving they might have drank some kind of energy drink or natural energy drink and thought nothing of it.

Starts on the hike, they get racing heartbeat, headache, etc from a combo of the heat and some ingredient that didn’t agree with them or they didn’t realize the effects of the ingredients. They decide to sit down for a few minutes to rest. They just can’t get themselves back up and eventually pass out. They all succumb to heat stroke.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 19:59     Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There's an update!

https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article253770788.html

Weapons or “chemical hazards” along a trail have been “ruled out” as a possible cause of death in a mysterious case of a Mariposa family found dead while hiking in Sierra National Forest over a week ago.

“ALL other potential causes of death remain,” the Mariposa County Sheriff’s Office said Thursday while sharing a brief timeline of the investigation into the deaths of Jonathan Gerrish, 45, Ellen Chung, 30, and their 1-year-old daughter, Aurelia Miju Chung-Gerrish and 8-year-old dog, Oski, described as an Aussie-Akita mix.



Does that mean the CO gas thing is not a possibility?


No I don’t think so. I think it means there was no like, oil spill or gas leak that was man made (or chloroform crazy pp). I think a natural disaster like a CO cloud or the algae would be described differently. I think they’re saying essentially no evidence of man made intervention killed them
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 19:56     Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also a timeline from the sheriff:

Saturday, Aug. 14: Jonathan Gerrish researches Hites Cove hike via a phone app.
Sunday, Aug. 15: 7:45 a.m., witness sees the Gerrish/Chung family traveling toward the trailhead in their vehicle.
Monday, Aug. 16: 11 p.m., a family friend reports the family missing.
Tuesday, Aug. 17: 1:53 a.m., the family’s car is located down Hites Cove Road north of Jerseydale.
Tuesday, Aug. 17: 1:55 a.m., a search and rescue mission is initiated.
Tuesday, Aug. 17: 11 a.m., the family is found dead on the Savage-Lundy Trail by a search and rescue team.
Thursday, Aug. 19: Autopsies are completed on the family and dog, “all currently pending toxicology.”
Friday, Aug. 20: Search warrants issued for a phone found with the family.
Friday, Aug. 20: Search warrants issued for the family’s home and cars. “Nothing significant” is found.
Monday, Aug. 23: Additional water samples are collected from water sources “along the trail area.”
Tuesday, Aug. 24: A cell phone is delivered to the FBI for data extraction, “awaiting results.”
Wednesday, Aug. 25: Search warrants issued for “possible social media access.”


So likely simultaneous natural causes. What are the odds for that.


What is wrong with you? It was obviously murder/suicide.

I feel so bad for the mom. She tried to get away…it must’ve been awful for her.


I feel like people leaping to this silly and again, the dog is a complicating factor, but whatever.

But pp, despite you feeling for mom, if this was family annihilating by poison it is actually much more likely mom was the perpetrator statistically
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 19:54     Subject: Re:What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:There's an update!

https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article253770788.html

Weapons or “chemical hazards” along a trail have been “ruled out” as a possible cause of death in a mysterious case of a Mariposa family found dead while hiking in Sierra National Forest over a week ago.

“ALL other potential causes of death remain,” the Mariposa County Sheriff’s Office said Thursday while sharing a brief timeline of the investigation into the deaths of Jonathan Gerrish, 45, Ellen Chung, 30, and their 1-year-old daughter, Aurelia Miju Chung-Gerrish and 8-year-old dog, Oski, described as an Aussie-Akita mix.



Does that mean the CO gas thing is not a possibility?
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 19:53     Subject: What happened to this California family?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I love how dcum is like, 2 adults having heatstroke on the same hot day is too much of a stretch. I think it was a total stranger sneaking up and chloroforming them for no reason.




There are some brilliant minds on here.
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If you all think that both adults, a baby, and a dog all died of heat stroke then you aren't too brilliant yourselves. There are rational theories outside of your heatstroke one or chloroforming. Nobody wants it to be true.


Only two had to have heatstroke. The other two couldn't self rescue.
Anonymous
Post 08/26/2021 19:53     Subject: What happened to this California family?
So they really are looking at the toxic algae. The CO theory fits the facts but is unprovable unless a new cave or fissure is discovered.

I don't understand how bad water could have killed all four of them so quickly and all at once. Maybe they are looking for something even worse in the water, heavy metals or something else lethal like that.