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Anonymous wrote:^do you agree that trans people should only be allowed to receive healthcare based on their biological sex or not? If you agree with that and you support providers withholding healthcare from individuals who are trans based on their biological sex, it’s hard to see how you’re pro-trans. You might not be anti-trans but you can’t claim to support trans rights while also being okay with them being denied healthcare.

Pp never said anything about denying healthcare.

No one has. Some angry person on here is seeing so red, they are not reading what people are saying. They are projecting opinions held by anti-trans people in the general public on to the PPs here that support the arguments of JKR.

They are basically saying if you refuse to say that a trans woman is EXACTLY the same as any other (biologically-born) woman and to allow all trans women into ALL spaces that were traditionally reserved for (biologically born) women, then you are anti-trans. Which is false. Even if you would otherwise support protections for trans women, services for trans women, rights for trans women, happily call them by their chosen names and pronouns etc, they don't care. To them, you must say there are no differences or you are the devil.

Nobody said that.

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Repeat after me: other people’s gender identity is none of my business and I don’t need to police it. It’s literally not up to you decide when a person can or should transition

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In our society we protect children. They’re not allowed to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, get a tattoo, go to a tanning salon. Yet we’re allowing them to surgically alter their bodies and take hormones. A 4000% increase in girls seeking treatment for gender issues is a cause for serious concern. We should be looking at why so many girls want to opt out of womanhood and boys opt out of manhood. It’s not out of line to raise the alarm over this.

You’re very misinformed. Most teens who transition do not have any type of surgery. The medication they take essentially puts hormonal development “on pause” to allow them time to transition or, if necessary, transition back if they decide to do that. Coming off the medication would continue development as usual. They’re not “opting out” of anything - they are opting into living life that is true to who they are. your faux concern is way off base.

The drugs used to “pause” puberty are not without harm. They can cause a lifetime of issues related to bone loss, including brittle bones and painful joints. https://khn.org/news/women-fear-drug-they-used-to-halt-puberty-led-to-health-problems/

There are minors getting hormones and “top surgery”. They’re being given medications rather than the mental heath care they really need. Here’s one psychiatrist’s story. https://quillette.com/2017/10/06/misunderstanding-new-kind-gender-dysphoria/

Look at Jazz Jennings, arguably the poster child for transitioning as a minor. At the age of 19, Jazz has never experienced an orgasm. She has a vagina which has to be dilated daily, which allows her to participate in a sex act she won’t derive pleasure from. She’s been sterilized. She’ll never have children of her own. All this because at the age of 2, she was a little boy who liked dresses and the color purple, and some say was emulating a beloved older sister.

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Do we know the potential long term effects for hormone treatments in adolescence?

Do we know the potential long-term effects for infertility medications/treatments? New cancer treatments? New coronavirus vaccines/treatments?

Patients work with the doctors to weigh treatment risks for all sorts of serious medical issues.

Why focus on this particular one?

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Repeat after me: other people’s gender identity is none of my business and I don’t need to police it. It’s literally not up to you decide when a person can or should transition

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In our society we protect children. They’re not allowed to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, get a tattoo, go to a tanning salon. Yet we’re allowing them to surgically alter their bodies and take hormones. A 4000% increase in girls seeking treatment for gender issues is a cause for serious concern. We should be looking at why so many girls want to opt out of womanhood and boys opt out of manhood. It’s not out of line to raise the alarm over this.

Are you raising an alarm or are you trying to tell other people what they can do with their bodies?

Do you have a counter-argument, or are you trying to dodge the question?

What question?

Sounds like you want to tell other people what they can do with their bodies. As a woman who values bodily autonomy, I have a problem with that.

NP here. So...since what is being specifically discussed here is changes to the bodies of minors, do you feel that restrictions on tattoos for minors should be lifted? Restrictions on cigarettes and alcohol for minors?

I think families should work with their doctors to make those decisions. They don't need other people involved in medical decisions.

By that logic, families should be the ones to decide if their children are drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes and there should be no laws prohibiting this.

Sure. As long as parents go talk to their kids' doctors and ask about the use of alcohol and cigarettes.

Not PP, but thanks for admitting that you don’t care about minors’ health or safety. It’s pretty refreshing.

That’s not what I said at all.

You said as long as parents talk to a doctor first, children should be allowed to do physically harmful things like smoking and drinking. You agreed that there should be no laws prohibiting children from doing these things.

Do we know the potential long term effects for hormone treatments in adolescence?

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Repeat after me: other people’s gender identity is none of my business and I don’t need to police it. It’s literally not up to you decide when a person can or should transition

x1 million

In our society we protect children. They’re not allowed to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, get a tattoo, go to a tanning salon. Yet we’re allowing them to surgically alter their bodies and take hormones. A 4000% increase in girls seeking treatment for gender issues is a cause for serious concern. We should be looking at why so many girls want to opt out of womanhood and boys opt out of manhood. It’s not out of line to raise the alarm over this.

Are you raising an alarm or are you trying to tell other people what they can do with their bodies?

Do you have a counter-argument, or are you trying to dodge the question?

What question?

Sounds like you want to tell other people what they can do with their bodies. As a woman who values bodily autonomy, I have a problem with that.

NP here. So...since what is being specifically discussed here is changes to the bodies of minors, do you feel that restrictions on tattoos for minors should be lifted? Restrictions on cigarettes and alcohol for minors?

I think families should work with their doctors to make those decisions. They don't need other people involved in medical decisions.

By that logic, families should be the ones to decide if their children are drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes and there should be no laws prohibiting this.

Sure. As long as parents go talk to their kids' doctors and ask about the use of alcohol and cigarettes.

Not PP, but thanks for admitting that you don’t care about minors’ health or safety. It’s pretty refreshing.

That’s not what I said at all.

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Repeat after me: other people’s gender identity is none of my business and I don’t need to police it. It’s literally not up to you decide when a person can or should transition

x1 million

In our society we protect children. They’re not allowed to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, get a tattoo, go to a tanning salon. Yet we’re allowing them to surgically alter their bodies and take hormones. A 4000% increase in girls seeking treatment for gender issues is a cause for serious concern. We should be looking at why so many girls want to opt out of womanhood and boys opt out of manhood. It’s not out of line to raise the alarm over this.

Are you raising an alarm or are you trying to tell other people what they can do with their bodies?

Do you have a counter-argument, or are you trying to dodge the question?

What question?

Sounds like you want to tell other people what they can do with their bodies. As a woman who values bodily autonomy, I have a problem with that.

NP here. So...since what is being specifically discussed here is changes to the bodies of minors, do you feel that restrictions on tattoos for minors should be lifted? Restrictions on cigarettes and alcohol for minors?

I think families should work with their doctors to make those decisions. They don't need other people involved in medical decisions.

By that logic, families should be the ones to decide if their children are drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes and there should be no laws prohibiting this.

Sure. As long as parents go talk to their kids' doctors and ask about the use of alcohol and cigarettes.

Not PP, but thanks for admitting that you don’t care about minors’ health or safety. It’s pretty refreshing.

That’s not what I said at all.

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Anonymous wrote:^do you agree that trans people should only be allowed to receive healthcare based on their biological sex or not? If you agree with that and you support providers withholding healthcare from individuals who are trans based on their biological sex, it’s hard to see how you’re pro-trans. You might not be anti-trans but you can’t claim to support trans rights while also being okay with them being denied healthcare.

Pp never said anything about denying healthcare.

No one has. Some angry person on here is seeing so red, they are not reading what people are saying. They are projecting opinions held by anti-trans people in the general public on to the PPs here that support the arguments of JKR.

They are basically saying if you refuse to say that a trans woman is EXACTLY the same as any other (biologically-born) woman and to allow all trans women into ALL spaces that were traditionally reserved for (biologically born) women, then you are anti-trans. Which is false. Even if you would otherwise support protections for trans women, services for trans women, rights for trans women, happily call them by their chosen names and pronouns etc, they don't care. To them, you must say there are no differences or you are the devil.

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Repeat after me: other people’s gender identity is none of my business and I don’t need to police it. It’s literally not up to you decide when a person can or should transition

x1 million

In our society we protect children. They’re not allowed to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, get a tattoo, go to a tanning salon. Yet we’re allowing them to surgically alter their bodies and take hormones. A 4000% increase in girls seeking treatment for gender issues is a cause for serious concern. We should be looking at why so many girls want to opt out of womanhood and boys opt out of manhood. It’s not out of line to raise the alarm over this.

Are you raising an alarm or are you trying to tell other people what they can do with their bodies?

Do you have a counter-argument, or are you trying to dodge the question?

What question?

Sounds like you want to tell other people what they can do with their bodies. As a woman who values bodily autonomy, I have a problem with that.

NP here. So...since what is being specifically discussed here is changes to the bodies of minors, do you feel that restrictions on tattoos for minors should be lifted? Restrictions on cigarettes and alcohol for minors?

I think families should work with their doctors to make those decisions. They don't need other people involved in medical decisions.

By that logic, families should be the ones to decide if their children are drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes and there should be no laws prohibiting this.

Sure. As long as parents go talk to their kids' doctors and ask about the use of alcohol and cigarettes.

Not PP, but thanks for admitting that you don’t care about minors’ health or safety. It’s pretty refreshing.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares about menstruation?

I am an XX woman who doesn't menstruate anymore (IUD). I am soooo grateful for that!! LOL. Menstruation sucks. I would love for my DD to get an IUD that stops menstruation when she is a teen.

I have no problem with saying "people who menstruate." As a woman, I have no desire to claim menstruation as some great thing. It's a PITA.

Menstruation could get you killed, being denied education... it is a huge womens issue and f the people who labeled it so flippantly.

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This is one of my issues too- menstruation is a big deal for women in many parts of the world. As is the age they start growing breasts. Many women are raped, mutilated, forced into marriage, etc. These are serious women's issues. Not people who menstruate.

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Anonymous wrote:^do you agree that trans people should only be allowed to receive healthcare based on their biological sex or not? If you agree with that and you support providers withholding healthcare from individuals who are trans based on their biological sex, it’s hard to see how you’re pro-trans. You might not be anti-trans but you can’t claim to support trans rights while also being okay with them being denied healthcare.

Pp never said anything about denying healthcare.

No one has. Some angry person on here is seeing so red, they are not reading what people are saying. They are projecting opinions held by anti-trans people in the general public on to the PPs here that support the arguments of JKR.

They are basically saying if you refuse to say that a trans woman is EXACTLY the same as any other (biologically-born) woman and to allow all trans women into ALL spaces that were traditionally reserved for (biologically born) women, then you are anti-trans. Which is false. Even if you would otherwise support protections for trans women, services for trans women, rights for trans women, happily call them by their chosen names and pronouns etc, they don't care. To them, you must say there are no differences or you are the devil.

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Anonymous wrote:^do you agree that trans people should only be allowed to receive healthcare based on their biological sex or not? If you agree with that and you support providers withholding healthcare from individuals who are trans based on their biological sex, it’s hard to see how you’re pro-trans. You might not be anti-trans but you can’t claim to support trans rights while also being okay with them being denied healthcare.

Pp never said anything about denying healthcare.

No one has. Some angry person on here is seeing so red, they are not reading what people are saying. They are projecting opinions held by anti-trans people in the general public on to the PPs here that support the arguments of JKR.

They are basically saying if you refuse to say that a trans woman is EXACTLY the same as any other (biologically-born) woman and to allow all trans women into ALL spaces that were traditionally reserved for (biologically born) women, then you are anti-trans. Which is false. Even if you would otherwise support protections for trans women, services for trans women, rights for trans women, happily call them by their chosen names and pronouns etc, they don't care. To them, you must say there are no differences or you are the devil.

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Anonymous wrote:^do you agree that trans people should only be allowed to receive healthcare based on their biological sex or not? If you agree with that and you support providers withholding healthcare from individuals who are trans based on their biological sex, it’s hard to see how you’re pro-trans. You might not be anti-trans but you can’t claim to support trans rights while also being okay with them being denied healthcare.

Pp never said anything about denying healthcare.

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Repeat after me: other people’s gender identity is none of my business and I don’t need to police it. It’s literally not up to you decide when a person can or should transition

x1 million

In our society we protect children. They’re not allowed to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, get a tattoo, go to a tanning salon. Yet we’re allowing them to surgically alter their bodies and take hormones. A 4000% increase in girls seeking treatment for gender issues is a cause for serious concern. We should be looking at why so many girls want to opt out of womanhood and boys opt out of manhood. It’s not out of line to raise the alarm over this.

You’re very misinformed. Most teens who transition do not have any type of surgery. The medication they take essentially puts hormonal development “on pause” to allow them time to transition or, if necessary, transition back if they decide to do that. Coming off the medication would continue development as usual. They’re not “opting out” of anything - they are opting into living life that is true to who they are. your faux concern is way off base.

Also, just as many don’t do any treatment at all but simply dress for their gender identity, perhaps change their name or go by a nickname, and use the pronouns they identify with. None of which are objectionable.