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Anonymous wrote:^^ No, I am suggesting that you were arguing against a point that nobody was making. The point was that DA clubs play possession in varying degrees.

If you want to talk Arlington film has been linked to and they are not a boom ball team in the purest sense. They are not a tiki-taka team in the purest sense. That Arlington or WS don’t live up to your expectations of possession Soccer is subjective and really only your opinion.

I agree with this and to add to it, I think PP is more focused on execution than philosophy. I’ve seen both WS and Arlington teams execute possession similarly to the posted example when scrimmaging against inferior opponents. However, when they play superior opponents, the pressure creates mistakes and poor decisions. This is a human factor and says little about the style being taught or even coaching. If you took superior players and gave them to these coaches, I’ll wager they look a lot better in all situations. Or, given more time with the talent they have, the teams will look better. I have seen this at WS, where teams look rough at the start of the year and progress as they year goes on. Other PPs have alluded to another relevant point here: parents and kids are here because it’s a development academy. They are here to learn how to be better players and to learn the right ways to play. Especially in the case of WS, they aren’t there to win their division or nationals, which is a fit since the talent level is not quite where a few others may be. That means that sometimes play will not be executed perfectly as they are exposed to different opposing tactics and ability levels, and the results may not be stellar. And that’s ok. Most of the parents at WS are realistic and know why they are at this club vs the other available options.

Anonymous wrote:^^ No, I am suggesting that you were arguing against a point that nobody was making. The point was that DA clubs play possession in varying degrees.

If you want to talk Arlington film has been linked to and they are not a boom ball team in the purest sense. They are not a tiki-taka team in the purest sense. That Arlington or WS don’t live up to your expectations of possession Soccer is subjective and really only your opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a good example from WS-VA's U16/U17 team just a few months ago. Look at about the 1:15 mark, when the goalie picks up the ball. She ends up punting it, but it's not because playing out of the back wasn't a good option. They don't even try. In that situation, when the GK picks up the ball, a possession-based team is trained to immediately get into shape to try and play out - the CB's drop off and get wide of the box, the FB's push a little higher and get wide to the line and open up, and the MF's look to get free and make themselves available as options. The WS players do none of that. This is not a team that is trained to play out of the back, and a team that is not trained to play out of the back is not a possession based team.

https://youtu.be/bmN8rgWl8-Y

I think if you really watch that video, you will find some of the players play possession and some don't. But to be fair to that team, that was an earlier game with a brand new group of girls. I saw them recently, and while the goalie still plays possession only 1/4th or less of the time, the team itself has periods of possession and periods of direct play. Some of the players are more talented and technical. They generally look for a possession play. Others have less skill and maybe a weaker background. Those are the long ball hitters.

so to see the development, you have to see a more recent game to see the impact of Hales on the team.

Individual player decision-making is one thing. I get it. Even when coaches are trying to teach a possession style, some players will apply it and some won't, to different degrees. But I think you miss the point.

It is the off the ball movement of the entire team, as well as the decision-making of individuals, that indicates how they are being coached.

Here's a U13 boys team from October of last year. This is what it looks like when a team is trying to learn to play a possession style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URFKkzoYZTM. They'd been playing 11v11 for less than 2 months.

Just so we've got this straight, in order to prove that DA teams do not in fact play possession you chose a video of a DA game that demonstrates how proper possession play looks?

I never said DA teams do not play possession. I just question whether WS-VA teams are coached to play possession, and I think a lot of people don't really even understand what that means or looks like.

If someone has a video that they think shows differently as far as Spirit, please post it.

The initial crack that started the possession debate was the following exchange:

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Spirit VA U15s played Arlington U15s to a 0-0 draw today in Arlington. It was an excellent, well-matched, well-played game with both teams leaning on possession soccer. That Spirit team is no where near as bad as they've been painted in these threads.


Arlington playing possession? Lol.

Other that the assertion that Arlington does not play possession the actual debate has been a more general one regarding possession and the DA. And nobody claimed Spirit played possession, the assertions was that Arlington does not play possession.

But thanks for moving the goal posts.

Anonymous wrote:This is BRYC 03 ECNL. Really awesome possession style soccer

https://twitter.com/coach_mikey/status/980998510974730241?s=21

https://twitter.com/coach_mikey/status/1086793414304301056?s=21

Copied from the coaches twitter page

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Anonymous wrote:Love how the video is sped up to make it look more impressive. This is how things should look when a club has had years to develop a team. And BRYC as a well established top club in this area for many, many years doing this is no surprise whatsoever.

This is how it should look, how often does it look like that though? if it was not sped up both clips would be keeping possession for 2+ minutes... even more impressive. Good Job BRYC.

Bring that possession style to WS !!!!!

It doesn’t look that way very often due to competition level and talent. I’ll bet even that team doesn’t look that way every game. If WS VA could stick around for awhile I’m certain that they could achieve that kind of play. It’s the difference between a club that is established and has been around for years with a good reputation and a club that just started a year and a half ago with no youth pipeline and, therefore, no embedded culture and even talent level to lean upon.

Anonymous wrote:Love how the video is sped up to make it look more impressive. This is how things should look when a club has had years to develop a team. And BRYC as a well established top club in this area for many, many years doing this is no surprise whatsoever.

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Anonymous wrote:Love how the video is sped up to make it look more impressive. This is how things should look when a club has had years to develop a team. And BRYC as a well established top club in this area for many, many years doing this is no surprise whatsoever.

This is how it should look, how often does it look like that though? if it was not sped up both clips would be keeping possession for 2+ minutes... even more impressive. Good Job BRYC.

Bring that possession style to WS !!!!!

Anonymous wrote:Love how the video is sped up to make it look more impressive. This is how things should look when a club has had years to develop a team. And BRYC as a well established top club in this area for many, many years doing this is no surprise whatsoever.