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Anonymous wrote:Sonja has fantastic legs. I wish I had her legs!

She has that horrific nose though.

I like it. It's not the generic Hollywood nose, but it works for her (ala Meryl Streep and Glenn Close). Seems patrician to me for some reason. I thought Sonja looked so good in that scene with Carole and the earrings where she had her hair natural, straight and tucked behind her ears. She may be a hot mess, but she has been looking phenomenal this season.

I think Sonja is gorgeous. Very unique looking and not plastic-seeming. I'm sure she's had work done, but it's very good work.

I also thought Sonja's interview commentary re: Bethenny/Carole was very spot on. Yes, Bethenny can be a nightmare. But she's your friend. And that's how you treat her when she's down? No thanks. Who needs friends like that.

I agree with you on all fronts. Sonja looks amazing - her body is ridic. That pink outfit, so so good on her. And totally agree with her about B - no wonder she doesn't feel safe with these women who are so quick to kick her when she's down.

Anonymous wrote:I tend to group them by the lie output.

Bethenny, Lou, and Sonja are the most prolific liars.

Lou and Sonja are crazy delusional which is probably due to past (present?) substance abuse problems. I can't get over the fact that Lou stole from her kids to fund her lifestyle. Bethenny's lies come from her inability to face who she is. She isn't someone who can relate to other people and she completely falls apart if anyone calls her out on her mean behavior. She lies because having to look in the mirror is so threatening to her that it destroys her.

How can you not include Ramona in the liars club?

-She did threaten LuAnn's kids, then lied about it
-She lied when she was fleeing Heather's Berkshires house
-She lied about throwing a glass at Kristen and cutting her lip
-She lied about everything being fine with Mario (which I understand, but she mocked LuAnn for pretending her marriage was great, then did the same thing)
-She lied about stealing dresses from Bethenny's talk show
-She lied about the charity event with Jill the first season
-She lied about not knowing how the guy slept over in the Turks and Caicos trip

She is the biggest, baddest liar of them all!

I tend to group them by the lie output.

Bethenny, Lou, and Sonja are the most prolific liars.

Lou and Sonja are crazy delusional which is probably due to past (present?) substance abuse problems. I can't get over the fact that Lou stole from her kids to fund her lifestyle. Bethenny's lies come from her inability to face who she is. She isn't someone who can relate to other people and she completely falls apart if anyone calls her out on her mean behavior. She lies because having to look in the mirror is so threatening to her that it destroys her.

It's time for some women of color on this cast.

What I hate is that Bravo will look for another train wreck type or we'll get someone new who has a product to push. At least Carole had intellectual interests.

Anonymous wrote:I think Carole's comment was a way of saying Bethenny is lying about everything she says. If you pay attention to their discussions, Bethenny stops Carole every single time she talks fact. If Carole corrects the picture Bethenny tries to paint, Bethenny attacks her for being all about the facts ie "are we going to debate now", "are you a lawyer". There is so much manipulation and deceit on Bethenny's part.

I never understood why Carole would want to be on this show.

I agree with your points about Bethenny shutting down Carole every time Carole calmly and accurately brings up things that happened, when, in what order, and tries to get to the bottom of it. Lying and gaslighting, for sure. And then now has no more patience for I miss you/crying/I love you.

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Anonymous wrote:Dorinda is a mean "drunk." She can really get nasty when she drinks. When she is sober I like her and find fun to watch. She was mean to LuAnn and should have just let Lu have a moment of realizing that she (Lu) is doing better in that scene and let it go.

It was interesting to see the other women sort of side with Dorinda (except Ramona who saw a bit of what went down) on the ride back to the hosue. I can see how it could seem like now-sober Lu was telling Dorinda she'd had too much from a place of superiority but from seeing the footage it seemed like Lu, being sober, could see that Dorinda was about to turn a corner into her mean drunk persona and was trying to give her a heads up (too late, Lu!).

Anyone who sides with Dorinda after seeing what was actually said is nuts. I didn't see that LuAnn was trying to judge Dorinda's drinking. I saw it as LuAnn saw that her friend was about to take a turn that typically leads nowhere good for her and was quietly trying to stop that train before it left the station.

What about Dorinda saying in an interview moment that Bethenny never shows any kindness, so she gets what she gives. Uh...what about the PR scene where Dorinda was mortifying and behaved atrociously and Bethenny showed her an abundance of compassion? She conveniently forgot about that.

Those 4 - Carole, Tinsley, Dorinda, and Ramona - were clearly just in an echo chamber where they told themselves what they wanted to hear while the show was filming and bought each other's bullshit.

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Anonymous wrote:Dorinda is a mean "drunk." She can really get nasty when she drinks. When she is sober I like her and find fun to watch. She was mean to LuAnn and should have just let Lu have a moment of realizing that she (Lu) is doing better in that scene and let it go.

It was interesting to see the other women sort of side with Dorinda (except Ramona who saw a bit of what went down) on the ride back to the hosue. I can see how it could seem like now-sober Lu was telling Dorinda she'd had too much from a place of superiority but from seeing the footage it seemed like Lu, being sober, could see that Dorinda was about to turn a corner into her mean drunk persona and was trying to give her a heads up (too late, Lu!).

Neither LuAnn nor Dorinda was right; Lu was coming off as judgmental and preachy. People in glass houses, and all that. BUT, the punishment did not fit the crime--Dorinda went way overboard, with too many low blows to count.

Here's what, though; LuAnn shouldn't have called it out, but she wasn't wrong. Dorinda was "starting." She was glassy-eyed, aggressive, slurring and a total embarrassment to herself.

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Anonymous wrote:Sonja has fantastic legs. I wish I had her legs!

She has that horrific nose though.

I like it. It's not the generic Hollywood nose, but it works for her (ala Meryl Streep and Glenn Close). Seems patrician to me for some reason. I thought Sonja looked so good in that scene with Carole and the earrings where she had her hair natural, straight and tucked behind her ears. She may be a hot mess, but she has been looking phenomenal this season.

I think Sonja is gorgeous. Very unique looking and not plastic-seeming. I'm sure she's had work done, but it's very good work.

I also thought Sonja's interview commentary re: Bethenny/Carole was very spot on. Yes, Bethenny can be a nightmare. But she's your friend. And that's how you treat her when she's down? No thanks. Who needs friends like that.

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Anonymous wrote:Sonja has fantastic legs. I wish I had her legs!

She has that horrific nose though.

I like it. It's not the generic Hollywood nose, but it works for her (ala Meryl Streep and Glenn Close). Seems patrician to me for some reason. I thought Sonja looked so good in that scene with Carole and the earrings where she had her hair natural, straight and tucked behind her ears. She may be a hot mess, but she has been looking phenomenal this season.

Sonja looks amazing! She's a 60 some year old.white blonde woman! She looks better than B and C for sure!

I didn’t say she looks horrible. Just commented about a horrible nose. The rest of her looks great.

Anonymous wrote:Dorinda is a mean "drunk." She can really get nasty when she drinks. When she is sober I like her and find fun to watch. She was mean to LuAnn and should have just let Lu have a moment of realizing that she (Lu) is doing better in that scene and let it go.

It was interesting to see the other women sort of side with Dorinda (except Ramona who saw a bit of what went down) on the ride back to the hosue. I can see how it could seem like now-sober Lu was telling Dorinda she'd had too much from a place of superiority but from seeing the footage it seemed like Lu, being sober, could see that Dorinda was about to turn a corner into her mean drunk persona and was trying to give her a heads up (too late, Lu!).

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Anonymous wrote:Sonja has fantastic legs. I wish I had her legs!

She has that horrific nose though.

I like it. It's not the generic Hollywood nose, but it works for her (ala Meryl Streep and Glenn Close). Seems patrician to me for some reason. I thought Sonja looked so good in that scene with Carole and the earrings where she had her hair natural, straight and tucked behind her ears. She may be a hot mess, but she has been looking phenomenal this season.

You like a big nose that has a bump and a downward tip? Yeah, it’s not generic because most people have surgery to fix honkers like that.

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Anonymous wrote:Sonja has fantastic legs. I wish I had her legs!

She has that horrific nose though.

I like it. It's not the generic Hollywood nose, but it works for her (ala Meryl Streep and Glenn Close). Seems patrician to me for some reason. I thought Sonja looked so good in that scene with Carole and the earrings where she had her hair natural, straight and tucked behind her ears. She may be a hot mess, but she has been looking phenomenal this season.

Sonja looks amazing! She's a 60 some year old.white blonde woman! She looks better than B and C for sure!

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Anonymous wrote:Bethenny saying at that little lunch table, "Oh, it feels like old days. The original girls, I like this energy" and all that was such a move. You could tell she was doing it to keep LuAnn close and start to reel Ramona in. And it totally worked.

I don't know. Ramona was throwing some major shade at B on WWHL. I think Carole quit, otherwise Ramona wouldn't have been so quick to stay team Carole. And I don't think it's the fans who shifted, it's social media manipulation.

I agree PP. Carole was up against a psycho who will spend a lot of her money to destroy whomever she is currently raging against. Bethenny is scary. I started reading some background this season to try to understand what is going on it is easily apparent how much Bethenny lies to paint a picture of her castmates. I bought her schtick re Jason Hoppy hook,line, and sinker and now I'm reevaluating that. She knows how to push buttons.

Sorry, how has she destroyed Carole exactly? And how did she spend a lot of money to destroy Carole?

Carole is like any other cast member on any of these other shows. Her turn came and she had a tough season. It actually took a long time to get around to her. These shows all have a formula. Someone is beloved, then they take a hit, then they have redemption. Lather, rinse, repeat.

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Anonymous wrote:Sonja has fantastic legs. I wish I had her legs!

She has that horrific nose though.

I like it. It's not the generic Hollywood nose, but it works for her (ala Meryl Streep and Glenn Close). Seems patrician to me for some reason. I thought Sonja looked so good in that scene with Carole and the earrings where she had her hair natural, straight and tucked behind her ears. She may be a hot mess, but she has been looking phenomenal this season.