Anonymous wrote:Most likely the intruder like most intruders wore gloves and a ski mask so as not to leave behind hair and fingertips. That is not rocket science.

Fingerprints not tips! That would be gross

Most likely the intruder like most intruders wore gloves and a ski mask so as not to leave behind hair and fingertips. That is not rocket science.

Anonymous wrote:Someone said the note had no fingerprints on it? How is that possible? If they both read it how did they not get fingerprints on it?

There were fingerprints on it - just Patsy's and John's - but that was to be expected because it was written on a pad of paper from their home. There were no "3rd party" fingerprints. Also, the writer of the ransom note had written some "practice" notes before drafting the final one. The investigators could tell because of the imprints the pen made.

Who else could have written a three page rambling note but that Santa. He could not help himself!

At the funeral Father Rol asked if anyone had any personal thoughts about JB they would like to share. A few close family members stood and said a few words. Then Santa got up went up to the front of the church and started rambling for 4 minutes about how much he adored JB. The Ramseys were shocked. The guy could not help himself. Just like he went on the tv circuit.

Someone said the note had no fingerprints on it? How is that possible? If they both read it how did they not get fingerprints on it?

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The crime seen was so badly botched no one will probably ever know the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:I found Burke's demeanor unnerving but difficult to interpret. As Dr. Phil (not that he's a great source, but whatever) noted, he's basically been in hiding since he was 9 years old. On top of that, I believe he already had some developmental or social disorders before that. It's hard to tell what's going on there. I actually thought the interrogation tapes that have been released so far were pretty revealing and that his demeanor was much more normal in those. After watching those, it made me kind of sad to think about the turn his life took. I don't believe a 9 year likely carried out any aspect of this crime, although I realize some do. I think he's another victim of that night and he will never have anything resembling a normal life.

I agree. I think the video of his police interview was very telling. You could see that he was desperately trying to put all the pieces together.

To others asking, the Dateline episode - like most of the other information I've watched or read - clearly puts the blame on the parents. In addition to the missed ransom call (I had totally forgotton about that!), the pineapple, the length of time between the first blow and the strangulation, the ransom note, the lack of non-familial DNA, the parents lack of cooperation, etc. were highlighted.

One of the other interesting parts of the Dateline show was seeing Patsy interviewed on CNN and other news shows after. She was clearly very strung out on something. They also reiterated that Santa and his wife were investigated thoroughly and not considered suspects. One of the reasons being was that Santa had just had open heart surgery and could not have physically endured the attack, climbing up three flights of stairs and other acrobatics getting in to the house from the outside without leaving a footprint.

As for the ransom note - it was so long! Plus, it included the amount of John Ramsey's bonus. Not many people knew that information.

Santa was strong enough to commit the crime. He had played Santa at the Christmas party at the Ramsey house a few days before and JB gave him a full tour of the house. After the crime he flew to Spain and Portugal. If he was strong enough to travel halfway around the world through airports and then go sight seeing he was well enough to climb a few flight of stairs. The police department used his health as a lame excuse why they did not suspect him.
The bonus would have been on every paycheck and paystub. Anyone digging through their trash or going through Mr. Ramsey's office would have seen it. The amount was written as a jab to Mr. Ramsey to make the killer feel powerful like he had inside information on Mr. Ramsey.

Here is a link:

http://kwgn.com/2016/09/01/dna-expert-in-jonbenet-ramsey-other-famous-cases-debunked-in-denver/

the dna "expert" from the a and e program has been "debunked" so their opinion is worthless, atm. you guys need to do better research.

Dateline was interesting but didn't really bring a lot of new information to the table, most of the information they described as shocking (like the Ramsey indictment) was already known to those following the case. What I did find interesting was one of the lead investigators on the police side (who clearly believes the Ramseys were involved) admitted at the end that not bringing charges was the right thing to do because they didn't have enough evidence to get a conviction.

Although the crime scene was mishandled badly, I felt more convinced that the investigation in the weeks following was conducted to rule out other suspects. I don't think anything else will be known until the DNA profile can be identified, which may never happen. If it was, that person could at least be excluded, which would then at least strengthen the theory that a family member was involved.

I actually thought the Dateline special was very balanced between the two theories and presented a lot of evidence (largely circumstantial) on both sides. By far the most interesting revelation were the interview tapes of Burke, and that investigators described him as "open and honest." According to Dateline, "no investigator" they spoke to believed Burke was involved. These are major revelations after so much speculation has focused on Burke. Throughout his childhood, he dealt with his older sister dying, his mother getting cancer, his younger sister brutally murdered, then his mother dies while he's still a teenager. To me this helps explain some of his behavior/odd demeanor in the adult interviews.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I found Burke's demeanor unnerving but difficult to interpret. As Dr. Phil (not that he's a great source, but whatever) noted, he's basically been in hiding since he was 9 years old. On top of that, I believe he already had some developmental or social disorders before that. It's hard to tell what's going on there. I actually thought the interrogation tapes that have been released so far were pretty revealing and that his demeanor was much more normal in those. After watching those, it made me kind of sad to think about the turn his life took. I don't believe a 9 year likely carried out any aspect of this crime, although I realize some do. I think he's another victim of that night and he will never have anything resembling a normal life.

I agree. I think the video of his police interview was very telling. You could see that he was desperately trying to put all the pieces together.

To others asking, the Dateline episode - like most of the other information I've watched or read - clearly puts the blame on the parents. In addition to the missed ransom call (I had totally forgotton about that!), the pineapple, the length of time between the first blow and the strangulation, the ransom note, the lack of non-familial DNA, the parents lack of cooperation, etc. were highlighted.

One of the other interesting parts of the Dateline show was seeing Patsy interviewed on CNN and other news shows after. She was clearly very strung out on something. They also reiterated that Santa and his wife were investigated thoroughly and not considered suspects. One of the reasons being was that Santa had just had open heart surgery and could not have physically endured the attack, climbing up three flights of stairs and other acrobatics getting in to the house from the outside without leaving a footprint.

As for the ransom note - it was so long! Plus, it included the amount of John Ramsey's bonus. Not many people knew that information.

I didn't see the Dateline show yet but have been seeing different evidence than what you mention above. I have heard that there was non-familiial DNA found in JB's underwear and on her pants, and in other parts of the basement that are from the same person but do not match anyone in the family. I also heard a number of forensic experts say the blow to JB's head mostly likely came after the strangulation. Additionally, the police lied about snow being around the back of the house when it wasn't and they lied that John left somewhere the morning of the 26th. Why would they do that? Perhaps they lied about other things too.

I do not think anyone should place much credibility on people acting 'weird' after the murder of their child. I don't think anyone knows what is the right way to act unless you've been in that situation. Their behavior is a small factor but DNA and other physical evidence should have much stronger bearing than the Ramseys acting abnormal. Or putting any weight on the notion that Patsy seemed strung out in interviews. Of course she probably was! Who wouldn't take a valium after something that traumatic? Also, how would Patsy be in a state of mind to sit down and write a lengthy 3 page letter after just accidentally killing her child and then staging an elaborate cover-up? And if you did accidentally just kill your child, why on earth would you choose to use a barbaric garrote as part of the staging? Surely, they could've used something less heinous. And they could've skipped the sexual assault staging altogether. I just don't see them desecrating the body of their child like that after they accidentally hit her on the head. Doesn't make sense.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I found Burke's demeanor unnerving but difficult to interpret. As Dr. Phil (not that he's a great source, but whatever) noted, he's basically been in hiding since he was 9 years old. On top of that, I believe he already had some developmental or social disorders before that. It's hard to tell what's going on there. I actually thought the interrogation tapes that have been released so far were pretty revealing and that his demeanor was much more normal in those. After watching those, it made me kind of sad to think about the turn his life took. I don't believe a 9 year likely carried out any aspect of this crime, although I realize some do. I think he's another victim of that night and he will never have anything resembling a normal life.

I agree. I think the video of his police interview was very telling. You could see that he was desperately trying to put all the pieces together.

To others asking, the Dateline episode - like most of the other information I've watched or read - clearly puts the blame on the parents. In addition to the missed ransom call (I had totally forgotton about that!), the pineapple, the length of time between the first blow and the strangulation, the ransom note, the lack of non-familial DNA, the parents lack of cooperation, etc. were highlighted.

One of the other interesting parts of the Dateline show was seeing Patsy interviewed on CNN and other news shows after. She was clearly very strung out on something. They also reiterated that Santa and his wife were investigated thoroughly and not considered suspects. One of the reasons being was that Santa had just had open heart surgery and could not have physically endured the attack, climbing up three flights of stairs and other acrobatics getting in to the house from the outside without leaving a footprint.

As for the ransom note - it was so long! Plus, it included the amount of John Ramsey's bonus. Not many people knew that information.

You wouldn't be on something if your kid was murdered? I would probably be on Ativan or something, doctor prescribed.

Anonymous wrote:I found Burke's demeanor unnerving but difficult to interpret. As Dr. Phil (not that he's a great source, but whatever) noted, he's basically been in hiding since he was 9 years old. On top of that, I believe he already had some developmental or social disorders before that. It's hard to tell what's going on there. I actually thought the interrogation tapes that have been released so far were pretty revealing and that his demeanor was much more normal in those. After watching those, it made me kind of sad to think about the turn his life took. I don't believe a 9 year likely carried out any aspect of this crime, although I realize some do. I think he's another victim of that night and he will never have anything resembling a normal life.

I agree. I think the video of his police interview was very telling. You could see that he was desperately trying to put all the pieces together.

To others asking, the Dateline episode - like most of the other information I've watched or read - clearly puts the blame on the parents. In addition to the missed ransom call (I had totally forgotton about that!), the pineapple, the length of time between the first blow and the strangulation, the ransom note, the lack of non-familial DNA, the parents lack of cooperation, etc. were highlighted.

One of the other interesting parts of the Dateline show was seeing Patsy interviewed on CNN and other news shows after. She was clearly very strung out on something. They also reiterated that Santa and his wife were investigated thoroughly and not considered suspects. One of the reasons being was that Santa had just had open heart surgery and could not have physically endured the attack, climbing up three flights of stairs and other acrobatics getting in to the house from the outside without leaving a footprint.

As for the ransom note - it was so long! Plus, it included the amount of John Ramsey's bonus. Not many people knew that information.