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jsteele wrote:I started this thread just over 3 weeks ago when a post I made in another thread about South Carolina's flying the Confederate Battle Flag at the statehouse started to divert that thread. Today that flag came down. It is simply amazing to me that things changed that quickly. I applaud the people of South Carolina and Governor Nikki Haley.

I applaud the swift action as well.

Hear Hear!

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jsteele wrote:I started this thread just over 3 weeks ago when a post I made in another thread about South Carolina's flying the Confederate Battle Flag at the statehouse started to divert that thread. Today that flag came down. It is simply amazing to me that things changed that quickly. I applaud the people of South Carolina and Governor Nikki Haley.

I applaud the swift action as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Lincoln sent a supply ship. They all knew that Sumter had to resupply and they didn't want them to do it.

That still doesn't change the fact that the South was the aggressor.

Leaving troops in a state that seceded wasn't an aggressive act? One ship to resupply, or even two, would be hard pressed to be considered an aggressive act...ships to include war ships with additional troops...not a big leap to assume more than supply.

sloop-of-war USS Pawnee,
steam sloop-of-war USS Powhatan, transporting motorized launches and about 300 sailors
armed screw steamer USS Pocahontas,
Revenue Cutter USRC Harriet Lane,
steamer Baltic transporting about 200 troops,
three hired tug boats with added protection against small arms fire to be used to tow troop and supply barges

All set to arrive on April 11, 1861. What date was the first shot fired?

Lincoln had one focus above all else...saving the union. Not everyone in the north agreed and we know the south wasn't on board. He also had states that had slaves that hadn't joined the Confederacy that he didn't want to swing...such as Maryland...so perception was very important.

Do I think Lincoln was the aggressor here? Sure. Do I think what he was attempting to do, on many levels beyond the ability to convey in this forum, was right? Sure do.

Fort Sumter was FEDERAL land and property, not South Carolina. South Carolina was attempting to seize a fort that wasn't theirs and which the Confederates had no lawful claim to.

Amazing how Lincoln got the popular support he needed after the 'battle'. Well...your limited focus/understanding is duly noted.

Lincoln got popular support because everyone saw the South as the aggressor and the Union at Fort Sumter as the victim.

LMAO

Remember the Maine!!

Lameass analogy. The South *actually* attacked Fort Sumter, dipstick.

You either don't get it, don't want to get it or just don't care to consider the whole picture. The Remember the Maine was a facetious comment as an illustration that you can't just take ONE thing to understand a complex set of events. So, that's that. Have a great weekend.

jsteele wrote:I started this thread just over 3 weeks ago when a post I made in another thread about South Carolina's flying the Confederate Battle Flag at the statehouse started to divert that thread. Today that flag came down. It is simply amazing to me that things changed that quickly. I applaud the people of South Carolina and Governor Nikki Haley.

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Anonymous wrote:Lincoln sent a supply ship. They all knew that Sumter had to resupply and they didn't want them to do it.

That still doesn't change the fact that the South was the aggressor.

Leaving troops in a state that seceded wasn't an aggressive act? One ship to resupply, or even two, would be hard pressed to be considered an aggressive act...ships to include war ships with additional troops...not a big leap to assume more than supply.

sloop-of-war USS Pawnee,
steam sloop-of-war USS Powhatan, transporting motorized launches and about 300 sailors
armed screw steamer USS Pocahontas,
Revenue Cutter USRC Harriet Lane,
steamer Baltic transporting about 200 troops,
three hired tug boats with added protection against small arms fire to be used to tow troop and supply barges

All set to arrive on April 11, 1861. What date was the first shot fired?

Lincoln had one focus above all else...saving the union. Not everyone in the north agreed and we know the south wasn't on board. He also had states that had slaves that hadn't joined the Confederacy that he didn't want to swing...such as Maryland...so perception was very important.

Do I think Lincoln was the aggressor here? Sure. Do I think what he was attempting to do, on many levels beyond the ability to convey in this forum, was right? Sure do.

Fort Sumter was FEDERAL land and property, not South Carolina. South Carolina was attempting to seize a fort that wasn't theirs and which the Confederates had no lawful claim to.

Amazing how Lincoln got the popular support he needed after the 'battle'. Well...your limited focus/understanding is duly noted.

Lincoln got popular support because everyone saw the South as the aggressor and the Union at Fort Sumter as the victim.

LMAO

Remember the Maine!!

Lameass analogy. The South *actually* attacked Fort Sumter, dipstick.

You either don't get it, don't want to get it or just don't care to consider the whole picture. The Remember the Maine was a facetious comment as an illustration that you can't just take ONE thing to understand a complex set of events. So, that's that. Have a great weekend.

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Anonymous wrote:Lincoln sent a supply ship. They all knew that Sumter had to resupply and they didn't want them to do it.

That still doesn't change the fact that the South was the aggressor.

Leaving troops in a state that seceded wasn't an aggressive act? One ship to resupply, or even two, would be hard pressed to be considered an aggressive act...ships to include war ships with additional troops...not a big leap to assume more than supply.

sloop-of-war USS Pawnee,
steam sloop-of-war USS Powhatan, transporting motorized launches and about 300 sailors
armed screw steamer USS Pocahontas,
Revenue Cutter USRC Harriet Lane,
steamer Baltic transporting about 200 troops,
three hired tug boats with added protection against small arms fire to be used to tow troop and supply barges

All set to arrive on April 11, 1861. What date was the first shot fired?

Lincoln had one focus above all else...saving the union. Not everyone in the north agreed and we know the south wasn't on board. He also had states that had slaves that hadn't joined the Confederacy that he didn't want to swing...such as Maryland...so perception was very important.

Do I think Lincoln was the aggressor here? Sure. Do I think what he was attempting to do, on many levels beyond the ability to convey in this forum, was right? Sure do.

Fort Sumter was FEDERAL land and property, not South Carolina. South Carolina was attempting to seize a fort that wasn't theirs and which the Confederates had no lawful claim to.

Amazing how Lincoln got the popular support he needed after the 'battle'. Well...your limited focus/understanding is duly noted.

Lincoln got popular support because everyone saw the South as the aggressor and the Union at Fort Sumter as the victim.

LMAO

Remember the Maine!!

Lameass analogy. The South *actually* attacked Fort Sumter, dipstick.

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Anonymous wrote:Lincoln sent a supply ship. They all knew that Sumter had to resupply and they didn't want them to do it.

That still doesn't change the fact that the South was the aggressor.

Leaving troops in a state that seceded wasn't an aggressive act? One ship to resupply, or even two, would be hard pressed to be considered an aggressive act...ships to include war ships with additional troops...not a big leap to assume more than supply.

sloop-of-war USS Pawnee,
steam sloop-of-war USS Powhatan, transporting motorized launches and about 300 sailors
armed screw steamer USS Pocahontas,
Revenue Cutter USRC Harriet Lane,
steamer Baltic transporting about 200 troops,
three hired tug boats with added protection against small arms fire to be used to tow troop and supply barges

All set to arrive on April 11, 1861. What date was the first shot fired?

Lincoln had one focus above all else...saving the union. Not everyone in the north agreed and we know the south wasn't on board. He also had states that had slaves that hadn't joined the Confederacy that he didn't want to swing...such as Maryland...so perception was very important.

Do I think Lincoln was the aggressor here? Sure. Do I think what he was attempting to do, on many levels beyond the ability to convey in this forum, was right? Sure do.

Fort Sumter was FEDERAL land and property, not South Carolina. South Carolina was attempting to seize a fort that wasn't theirs and which the Confederates had no lawful claim to.

Amazing how Lincoln got the popular support he needed after the 'battle'. Well...your limited focus/understanding is duly noted.

Lincoln got popular support because everyone saw the South as the aggressor and the Union at Fort Sumter as the victim.

LMAO

Remember the Maine!!

Lameass analogy. The South *actually* attacked Fort Sumter, dipstick.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lincoln sent a supply ship. They all knew that Sumter had to resupply and they didn't want them to do it.

That still doesn't change the fact that the South was the aggressor.

Leaving troops in a state that seceded wasn't an aggressive act? One ship to resupply, or even two, would be hard pressed to be considered an aggressive act...ships to include war ships with additional troops...not a big leap to assume more than supply.

sloop-of-war USS Pawnee,
steam sloop-of-war USS Powhatan, transporting motorized launches and about 300 sailors
armed screw steamer USS Pocahontas,
Revenue Cutter USRC Harriet Lane,
steamer Baltic transporting about 200 troops,
three hired tug boats with added protection against small arms fire to be used to tow troop and supply barges

All set to arrive on April 11, 1861. What date was the first shot fired?

Lincoln had one focus above all else...saving the union. Not everyone in the north agreed and we know the south wasn't on board. He also had states that had slaves that hadn't joined the Confederacy that he didn't want to swing...such as Maryland...so perception was very important.

Do I think Lincoln was the aggressor here? Sure. Do I think what he was attempting to do, on many levels beyond the ability to convey in this forum, was right? Sure do.

Fort Sumter was FEDERAL land and property, not South Carolina. South Carolina was attempting to seize a fort that wasn't theirs and which the Confederates had no lawful claim to.

Amazing how Lincoln got the popular support he needed after the 'battle'. Well...your limited focus/understanding is duly noted.

Lincoln got popular support because everyone saw the South as the aggressor and the Union at Fort Sumter as the victim.

LMAO

Remember the Maine!!

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lincoln sent a supply ship. They all knew that Sumter had to resupply and they didn't want them to do it.

That still doesn't change the fact that the South was the aggressor.

Leaving troops in a state that seceded wasn't an aggressive act? One ship to resupply, or even two, would be hard pressed to be considered an aggressive act...ships to include war ships with additional troops...not a big leap to assume more than supply.

sloop-of-war USS Pawnee,
steam sloop-of-war USS Powhatan, transporting motorized launches and about 300 sailors
armed screw steamer USS Pocahontas,
Revenue Cutter USRC Harriet Lane,
steamer Baltic transporting about 200 troops,
three hired tug boats with added protection against small arms fire to be used to tow troop and supply barges

All set to arrive on April 11, 1861. What date was the first shot fired?

Lincoln had one focus above all else...saving the union. Not everyone in the north agreed and we know the south wasn't on board. He also had states that had slaves that hadn't joined the Confederacy that he didn't want to swing...such as Maryland...so perception was very important.

Do I think Lincoln was the aggressor here? Sure. Do I think what he was attempting to do, on many levels beyond the ability to convey in this forum, was right? Sure do.

Fort Sumter was FEDERAL land and property, not South Carolina. South Carolina was attempting to seize a fort that wasn't theirs and which the Confederates had no lawful claim to.

Amazing how Lincoln got the popular support he needed after the 'battle'. Well...your limited focus/understanding is duly noted.

Lincoln got popular support because everyone saw the South as the aggressor and the Union at Fort Sumter as the victim.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lincoln sent a supply ship. They all knew that Sumter had to resupply and they didn't want them to do it.

That still doesn't change the fact that the South was the aggressor.

Leaving troops in a state that seceded wasn't an aggressive act? One ship to resupply, or even two, would be hard pressed to be considered an aggressive act...ships to include war ships with additional troops...not a big leap to assume more than supply.

sloop-of-war USS Pawnee,
steam sloop-of-war USS Powhatan, transporting motorized launches and about 300 sailors
armed screw steamer USS Pocahontas,
Revenue Cutter USRC Harriet Lane,
steamer Baltic transporting about 200 troops,
three hired tug boats with added protection against small arms fire to be used to tow troop and supply barges

All set to arrive on April 11, 1861. What date was the first shot fired?

Lincoln had one focus above all else...saving the union. Not everyone in the north agreed and we know the south wasn't on board. He also had states that had slaves that hadn't joined the Confederacy that he didn't want to swing...such as Maryland...so perception was very important.

Do I think Lincoln was the aggressor here? Sure. Do I think what he was attempting to do, on many levels beyond the ability to convey in this forum, was right? Sure do.

Fort Sumter was FEDERAL land and property, not South Carolina. South Carolina was attempting to seize a fort that wasn't theirs and which the Confederates had no lawful claim to.

Amazing how Lincoln got the popular support he needed after the 'battle'. Well...your limited focus/understanding is duly noted.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lincoln sent a supply ship. They all knew that Sumter had to resupply and they didn't want them to do it.

That still doesn't change the fact that the South was the aggressor.

Leaving troops in a state that seceded wasn't an aggressive act? One ship to resupply, or even two, would be hard pressed to be considered an aggressive act...ships to include war ships with additional troops...not a big leap to assume more than supply.

sloop-of-war USS Pawnee,
steam sloop-of-war USS Powhatan, transporting motorized launches and about 300 sailors
armed screw steamer USS Pocahontas,
Revenue Cutter USRC Harriet Lane,
steamer Baltic transporting about 200 troops,
three hired tug boats with added protection against small arms fire to be used to tow troop and supply barges

All set to arrive on April 11, 1861. What date was the first shot fired?

Lincoln had one focus above all else...saving the union. Not everyone in the north agreed and we know the south wasn't on board. He also had states that had slaves that hadn't joined the Confederacy that he didn't want to swing...such as Maryland...so perception was very important.

Do I think Lincoln was the aggressor here? Sure. Do I think what he was attempting to do, on many levels beyond the ability to convey in this forum, was right? Sure do.

Fort Sumter was FEDERAL land and property, not South Carolina. South Carolina was attempting to seize a fort that wasn't theirs and which the Confederates had no lawful claim to.

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, Florida noticed it hadn't done something dumb today yet and decided to do this:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-ap-confederate-flag-marion-county-20150707-story.html