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Anonymous wrote:The MAGA vote is only relevant for the primary. The Democratic vote is what’s important for the general. You’re laughing at Hogan now but this is exactly what will win him the election in the fall.

+1. I am volunteering on his campaign and am surprised and pleased to see the number of independents who are expressing support.

So independent voters agree with Larry Hogan that the Trump trial was all above board and therefore we should respect the verdict?

He didn't say anything about the trial being above board. He could have, but he didn't.

If Hogan believes that the trial wasn’t fair to Trump, then how is he different than any other Republican? Why should MD Democrats support him if he refuses to say that the trial was fair?

Why would Democrats vote for a Republican? Hogan needs to win Independents and hope for low Dem turnout. He’s not going to be winning over Bernie Bros.

FWIW almost 400,000 more people voted in the Democratic primary than the Republican primary.

You know that this is Maryland right?

I feel like I need to say that first, before even mentioning details like there was a contested Democratic senate primary with lots of money thrown at it.

There was a contested Republican senate primary too.

No there wasn’t, unless you have no idea who Robin Ficker is.

He got 28% of the vote.

So you’re saying that he got his butt handed to him. We already knew that.

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That who double lane bypass is total overkill, costs tens of millions of dollars for literally no reason.

What’s this?

DP. As governor, Larry Hogan killed the Baltimore Red Line and redistributed the state funding to road projects in counties where he received a majority of votes, such as Garrett County. I think this is one of those road projects. https://roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?PageId=818&newsId=3893

First of all, the red line money wasn’t redistributed because it never existed in the first place. The state had no viable plan to pay for it.

Second, investment in roads and particularly rural roads was a campaign promise that Hogan made and one that resonated with voters and was a big reason why he won. O’Malley divested significant state resources for roads, specifically and controversially cutting state funds to counties. Why shouldn’t Hogan implement the main thing that he campaigned on and had a mandate to implement?

Third, the fact that this specific interchange has you so mad says a lot about you and it’s not flattering.

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Anonymous wrote:The MAGA vote is only relevant for the primary. The Democratic vote is what’s important for the general. You’re laughing at Hogan now but this is exactly what will win him the election in the fall.

+1. I am volunteering on his campaign and am surprised and pleased to see the number of independents who are expressing support.

So independent voters agree with Larry Hogan that the Trump trial was all above board and therefore we should respect the verdict?

He didn't say anything about the trial being above board. He could have, but he didn't.

If Hogan believes that the trial wasn’t fair to Trump, then how is he different than any other Republican? Why should MD Democrats support him if he refuses to say that the trial was fair?

Why would Democrats vote for a Republican? Hogan needs to win Independents and hope for low Dem turnout. He’s not going to be winning over Bernie Bros.

FWIW almost 400,000 more people voted in the Democratic primary than the Republican primary.

You know that this is Maryland right?

I feel like I need to say that first, before even mentioning details like there was a contested Democratic senate primary with lots of money thrown at it.

There was a contested Republican senate primary too.

No there wasn’t, unless you have no idea who Robin Ficker is.

He got 28% of the vote.

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Anonymous wrote:The MAGA vote is only relevant for the primary. The Democratic vote is what’s important for the general. You’re laughing at Hogan now but this is exactly what will win him the election in the fall.

+1. I am volunteering on his campaign and am surprised and pleased to see the number of independents who are expressing support.

So independent voters agree with Larry Hogan that the Trump trial was all above board and therefore we should respect the verdict?

He didn't say anything about the trial being above board. He could have, but he didn't.

If Hogan believes that the trial wasn’t fair to Trump, then how is he different than any other Republican? Why should MD Democrats support him if he refuses to say that the trial was fair?

Why would Democrats vote for a Republican? Hogan needs to win Independents and hope for low Dem turnout. He’s not going to be winning over Bernie Bros.

FWIW almost 400,000 more people voted in the Democratic primary than the Republican primary.

You know that this is Maryland right?

I feel like I need to say that first, before even mentioning details like there was a contested Democratic senate primary with lots of money thrown at it.

There was a contested Republican senate primary too.

No there wasn’t, unless you have no idea who Robin Ficker is.

I'm a former Republican, now-Independent who gladly voted twice for Hogan, FOR GOVERNOR.

First, governor and senator are completely different jobs. The governor is the executive who runs the state. A senator is a legislator who helps craft and vote for various platforms, bills, laws, regulations and so on. He is a member of a large group that really only holds power as bestowed by the party leadership.

Hogan is already disfavored by the controlling Republican party. If he gets elected, you can bet that with his views, the very views that people here say are a bonus for him, will mean that he will get no choice committee appointments, no or almost no voice in the legislative process, and will be just a vote. Since there are only 100 senators and 2 per state, that means that you are halving the representative power of MD in the Senate. For those who recall Barbara Mikulski, that is the type of power that a senior senator in good standing with her party can wield on behalf of the state. Instead, you are trying to select someone who like Marjorie Taylor Greene (in the House), is on the outside of her political party and will be muzzled by the party. MTG has already had her committee assignments stripped and is basically a vote, but not a voice in the chamber. Her only voice is outside to the media, but she has no real legislative duties. And she can do very little to get benefits for her constituency.

A vote for Hogan is likewise going to strip MD of legislative power in the Senate. Especially with Mitch McConnell stepping down, you can bet that the next Republican Majority/Minority leader is going to be a Trump fawning pawn. There is no way that a Trump backing leader is going to give anything of significance to an anti-Trump junior Senator.

So, if you really want MD to have a voice in the Senate, you need to have a candidate that has their party backing. And that candidate is Angela Alsobrooks. Voting for Hogan for US Senate is a waste of a vote.

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https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6960809,-79.1001431,1537m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu

That who double lane bypass is total overkill, costs tens of millions of dollars for literally no reason.

What’s this?

DP. As governor, Larry Hogan killed the Baltimore Red Line and redistributed the state funding to road projects in counties where he received a majority of votes, such as Garrett County. I think this is one of those road projects. https://roads.maryland.gov/mdotsha/pages/pressreleasedetails.aspx?PageId=818&newsId=3893

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https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6960809,-79.1001431,1537m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu

That who double lane bypass is total overkill, costs tens of millions of dollars for literally no reason.

What’s this?

I meant to post this

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6960809,-79.1001431,1537m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu

That who double lane bypass is total overkill, costs tens of millions of dollars for literally no reason.

Anonymous wrote:He’s anti trump and pro choice.

But what really seals it for me is his record as governor. The man is pragmatic, truly bipartisan, and all-around awesome.

He will also make sure Baltimore’s shipping ( ie - the whole regional economy) after the bridge disaster won’t be forgotten at the fed level.

No one else can do that.

He is anti-Trump.
He is not pro-choice.
His record as governor was only that of a right wing zealot who had to deal with a left wing Assembly. He wasted over $6B in waste cancelling mass transit projects and instead transferred the money to cronies who executed on totally unneeded road projects. Look at the interchange of 219 and 40 in Garrett County for an example of a perfectly fine, regular 4 way signalized intersection which became ridiculously over engineered.

Worse projects on the eastern shore where Hogan had direct financial benefit from his steering state contracts.

And as the PP said, any governor and senator will do what they can to get the Baltimore infrastructure back up and running. I am not even sure there is a need for an incoming senator to make such a pledge given how much has already been done by Biden and Moore.

Anonymous wrote:He’s anti trump and pro choice.

But what really seals it for me is his record as governor. The man is pragmatic, truly bipartisan, and all-around awesome.

He will also make sure Baltimore’s shipping ( ie - the whole regional economy) after the bridge disaster won’t be forgotten at the fed level.

No one else can do that.

He's not pro choice. His record as governor demonstrates it.

He's also not truly bipartisan. His record as governor demonstrates it.

ANY Maryland senator would make sure Baltimore's shipping after the bridge disaster wouldn't be forgotten at the fed level. Even Robin Ficker would do that.

He’s anti trump and pro choice.

But what really seals it for me is his record as governor. The man is pragmatic, truly bipartisan, and all-around awesome.

He will also make sure Baltimore’s shipping ( ie - the whole regional economy) after the bridge disaster won’t be forgotten at the fed level.

No one else can do that.

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Anonymous wrote:The MAGA vote is only relevant for the primary. The Democratic vote is what’s important for the general. You’re laughing at Hogan now but this is exactly what will win him the election in the fall.

+1. I am volunteering on his campaign and am surprised and pleased to see the number of independents who are expressing support.

So independent voters agree with Larry Hogan that the Trump trial was all above board and therefore we should respect the verdict?

He didn't say anything about the trial being above board. He could have, but he didn't.

If Hogan believes that the trial wasn’t fair to Trump, then how is he different than any other Republican? Why should MD Democrats support him if he refuses to say that the trial was fair?

Why would Democrats vote for a Republican? Hogan needs to win Independents and hope for low Dem turnout. He’s not going to be winning over Bernie Bros.

FWIW almost 400,000 more people voted in the Democratic primary than the Republican primary.

You know that this is Maryland right?

I feel like I need to say that first, before even mentioning details like there was a contested Democratic senate primary with lots of money thrown at it.

Don’t you think Hogan needs to do more to reach out to Democrats? He should state unequivocally that the Trump trial was fair.

He should stop running as a Republican...

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Anonymous wrote:The MAGA vote is only relevant for the primary. The Democratic vote is what’s important for the general. You’re laughing at Hogan now but this is exactly what will win him the election in the fall.

+1. I am volunteering on his campaign and am surprised and pleased to see the number of independents who are expressing support.

So independent voters agree with Larry Hogan that the Trump trial was all above board and therefore we should respect the verdict?

He didn't say anything about the trial being above board. He could have, but he didn't.

If Hogan believes that the trial wasn’t fair to Trump, then how is he different than any other Republican? Why should MD Democrats support him if he refuses to say that the trial was fair?

Why would Democrats vote for a Republican? Hogan needs to win Independents and hope for low Dem turnout. He’s not going to be winning over Bernie Bros.

FWIW almost 400,000 more people voted in the Democratic primary than the Republican primary.

You know that this is Maryland right?

I feel like I need to say that first, before even mentioning details like there was a contested Democratic senate primary with lots of money thrown at it.

Don’t you think Hogan needs to do more to reach out to Democrats? He should state unequivocally that the Trump trial was fair.

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Anonymous wrote:How do we think Independents in MD will swing?

I for one am voting Hogan.

Definitely Hogan. He’s consistently been anti-Trump. He had no patience for the culture wars.

Same here.

I am behind him 100%

I am sure this, or something like it, has been said numerous times on this thread, but I feel compelled to add my two cents.

I am a liberal (not progressive) Democrat in my 50s. I have voted for Larry Hogan twice for governor, and would happily do so again. I think he was an excellent counterweight to the Democrat controlled Maryland state house and senate. I also appreciate that he has been consistently anti-TrumpI don't agree with him on everything, or maybe even on most things, but I think he is a decent person who cares about Maryland, its residents, and the country as a whole.

And there is no effin' way I am voting for him for the Senate.

All of you who are talking about the things he did for MD and his personal qualities are both correct and missing the point so badly that it's hard to believe you are serious. Much more important than any individual politician, no matter how much you like him, is which party controls the House and/or Senate. That determines who controls what bills are considered, what judicial appointments are brought up for a vote, whether committees attempt to hold the executive branch accountable . . . the list goes on and on. You can wish, or pretend, that it didn't work like this, but it does.

So Hogan's personal beliefs and character are utterly irrelevant to this decision. You aren't just, or primarily, voting for a senator - you are voting for the Senate majority leader, and all of the power that goes along with that.

Please remember that as you cast your vote.

Yep.

Plus there’s no way in hell Larry Hogan would give Democrats the 51st vote to block Donald Trump’s Supreme Court nominees. If and when his vote is needed, Hogan will absolutely do as he is told by party leadership.

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Anonymous wrote:The MAGA vote is only relevant for the primary. The Democratic vote is what’s important for the general. You’re laughing at Hogan now but this is exactly what will win him the election in the fall.

+1. I am volunteering on his campaign and am surprised and pleased to see the number of independents who are expressing support.

So independent voters agree with Larry Hogan that the Trump trial was all above board and therefore we should respect the verdict?

He didn't say anything about the trial being above board. He could have, but he didn't.

If Hogan believes that the trial wasn’t fair to Trump, then how is he different than any other Republican? Why should MD Democrats support him if he refuses to say that the trial was fair?

Why would Democrats vote for a Republican? Hogan needs to win Independents and hope for low Dem turnout. He’s not going to be winning over Bernie Bros.

FWIW almost 400,000 more people voted in the Democratic primary than the Republican primary.

You know that this is Maryland right?

I feel like I need to say that first, before even mentioning details like there was a contested Democratic senate primary with lots of money thrown at it.

There was a contested Republican senate primary too.