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Anonymous wrote:People need to get vaccinated. It is the holiday season. Stop the spread for heaven's sake!

The CDC doesn't claim that the booster stops spread/transmission. They only say that it helps protect against serious illness. (Which is very rare anyhow for healthy people post-Omicron.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

If it's not stopping transmission I see no reason to keep taking it when we don't know the long term impact of the boosters. And, covid is far less serious so basic precautions such as masking and handwashing are probably equally effective. More effective is people staying home when sick.

What about asymptomatic carriers??????

Ok, and?

Vaccination prevents covid and thus asymptomatic carriers would be included.

I thought we all agreed that the vaccines do not prevent covid. They prevent people from dying from covid. Actually making more carriers that aren't super sick with covid and still out there living life with their covid infected selves on Nyquil.

Vaccine = reduced viral shedding for both symptomatic and asymptomatic carriers per CDC.

Cool. Got any references showing a causal impact on transmission?

"Vaccination Tied to Shorter COVID Illness, Less Viral Shedding"

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/101275

For one, this study does not look at the new booster. Please cite a CDC source making this claim for the new booster.

Second, this CDC study has many shortcomings which are enumerated in the limitations paragraph at the end -- "small subgroups, which reduced the precision of estimates", swabs were self-administered and symptoms self-reported, inability to determine virus viability in Omicron samples, not all participants had their vaccination status confirmed with electronic medical records, amongst others. One contributor to the study was funded by Pfizer. However, even given this study's weaknesses, note their observation that "the detection of viral RNA and isolation of viable virus through virus culture are not direct measures of virus transmissibility", a point which another PP highlighted.

Another study, "Shedding of Infectious SARS-CoV-2 Despite Vaccination", reached the opposite conclusion and found "infectious virus at similar rates, and at similar titers, in specimens from vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals." https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v7

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What does Dr. Falchi have to say about the new vaccine?

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Anonymous wrote:People need to get vaccinated. It is the holiday season. Stop the spread for heaven's sake!

The CDC doesn't claim that the booster stops spread/transmission. They only say that it helps protect against serious illness. (Which is very rare anyhow for healthy people post-Omicron.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

If it's not stopping transmission I see no reason to keep taking it when we don't know the long term impact of the boosters. And, covid is far less serious so basic precautions such as masking and handwashing are probably equally effective. More effective is people staying home when sick.

What about asymptomatic carriers??????

Ok, and?

Vaccination prevents covid and thus asymptomatic carriers would be included.

I thought we all agreed that the vaccines do not prevent covid. They prevent people from dying from covid. Actually making more carriers that aren't super sick with covid and still out there living life with their covid infected selves on Nyquil.

Vaccine = reduced viral shedding for both symptomatic and asymptomatic carriers per CDC.

Cool. Got any references showing a causal impact on transmission?

"Vaccination Tied to Shorter COVID Illness, Less Viral Shedding"

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/101275

That explicitly says they didn't look at the impact on transmission. Got anything that did?

"Less Viral shedding" = transmission.

It means that less virus is shed into the environment around the sick person, meaning they are not as contagious as a person who is not vaccinated. So less likely to transmit to Covid virus to others.

The article you cited says the opposite. "the detection of viral RNA and isolation of viable virus through virus culture are not direct measures of virus transmissibility"

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Anonymous wrote:People need to get vaccinated. It is the holiday season. Stop the spread for heaven's sake!

The CDC doesn't claim that the booster stops spread/transmission. They only say that it helps protect against serious illness. (Which is very rare anyhow for healthy people post-Omicron.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

If it's not stopping transmission I see no reason to keep taking it when we don't know the long term impact of the boosters. And, covid is far less serious so basic precautions such as masking and handwashing are probably equally effective. More effective is people staying home when sick.

What about asymptomatic carriers??????

Ok, and?

Vaccination prevents covid and thus asymptomatic carriers would be included.

I thought we all agreed that the vaccines do not prevent covid. They prevent people from dying from covid. Actually making more carriers that aren't super sick with covid and still out there living life with their covid infected selves on Nyquil.

Vaccine = reduced viral shedding for both symptomatic and asymptomatic carriers per CDC.

Cool. Got any references showing a causal impact on transmission?

"Vaccination Tied to Shorter COVID Illness, Less Viral Shedding"

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/101275

That explicitly says they didn't look at the impact on transmission. Got anything that did?

"Less Viral shedding" = transmission.

It means that less virus is shed into the environment around the sick person, meaning they are not as contagious as a person who is not vaccinated. So less likely to transmit to Covid virus to others.

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Anonymous wrote:People need to get vaccinated. It is the holiday season. Stop the spread for heaven's sake!

The CDC doesn't claim that the booster stops spread/transmission. They only say that it helps protect against serious illness. (Which is very rare anyhow for healthy people post-Omicron.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

If it's not stopping transmission I see no reason to keep taking it when we don't know the long term impact of the boosters. And, covid is far less serious so basic precautions such as masking and handwashing are probably equally effective. More effective is people staying home when sick.

What about asymptomatic carriers??????

Ok, and?

Vaccination prevents covid and thus asymptomatic carriers would be included.

I thought we all agreed that the vaccines do not prevent covid. They prevent people from dying from covid. Actually making more carriers that aren't super sick with covid and still out there living life with their covid infected selves on Nyquil.

Vaccine = reduced viral shedding for both symptomatic and asymptomatic carriers per CDC.

Cool. Got any references showing a causal impact on transmission?

"Vaccination Tied to Shorter COVID Illness, Less Viral Shedding"

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/101275

That explicitly says they didn't look at the impact on transmission. Got anything that did?

"Less Viral shedding" = transmission.

It means that less virus is shed into the environment around the sick person, meaning they are not as contagious as a person who is not vaccinated. So less likely to transmit to Covid virus to others.

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Anonymous wrote:People need to get vaccinated. It is the holiday season. Stop the spread for heaven's sake!

The CDC doesn't claim that the booster stops spread/transmission. They only say that it helps protect against serious illness. (Which is very rare anyhow for healthy people post-Omicron.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

If it's not stopping transmission I see no reason to keep taking it when we don't know the long term impact of the boosters. And, covid is far less serious so basic precautions such as masking and handwashing are probably equally effective. More effective is people staying home when sick.

What about asymptomatic carriers??????

Ok, and?

Vaccination prevents covid and thus asymptomatic carriers would be included.

I thought we all agreed that the vaccines do not prevent covid. They prevent people from dying from covid. Actually making more carriers that aren't super sick with covid and still out there living life with their covid infected selves on Nyquil.

Vaccine = reduced viral shedding for both symptomatic and asymptomatic carriers per CDC.

Cool. Got any references showing a causal impact on transmission?

"Vaccination Tied to Shorter COVID Illness, Less Viral Shedding"

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/101275

That explicitly says they didn't look at the impact on transmission. Got anything that did?

"Less Viral shedding" = transmission.

It means that less virus is shed into the environment around the sick person, meaning they are not as contagious as a person who is not vaccinated. So less likely to transmit to Covid virus to others.

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Anonymous wrote:People need to get vaccinated. It is the holiday season. Stop the spread for heaven's sake!

The CDC doesn't claim that the booster stops spread/transmission. They only say that it helps protect against serious illness. (Which is very rare anyhow for healthy people post-Omicron.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

If it's not stopping transmission I see no reason to keep taking it when we don't know the long term impact of the boosters. And, covid is far less serious so basic precautions such as masking and handwashing are probably equally effective. More effective is people staying home when sick.

What about asymptomatic carriers??????

Ok, and?

Vaccination prevents covid and thus asymptomatic carriers would be included.

I thought we all agreed that the vaccines do not prevent covid. They prevent people from dying from covid. Actually making more carriers that aren't super sick with covid and still out there living life with their covid infected selves on Nyquil.

Vaccine = reduced viral shedding for both symptomatic and asymptomatic carriers per CDC.

Cool. Got any references showing a causal impact on transmission?

"Vaccination Tied to Shorter COVID Illness, Less Viral Shedding"

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/101275

That explicitly says they didn't look at the impact on transmission. Got anything that did?

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Anonymous wrote:People need to get vaccinated. It is the holiday season. Stop the spread for heaven's sake!

The CDC doesn't claim that the booster stops spread/transmission. They only say that it helps protect against serious illness. (Which is very rare anyhow for healthy people post-Omicron.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

If it's not stopping transmission I see no reason to keep taking it when we don't know the long term impact of the boosters. And, covid is far less serious so basic precautions such as masking and handwashing are probably equally effective. More effective is people staying home when sick.

What about asymptomatic carriers??????

Ok, and?

Vaccination prevents covid and thus asymptomatic carriers would be included.

I thought we all agreed that the vaccines do not prevent covid. They prevent people from dying from covid. Actually making more carriers that aren't super sick with covid and still out there living life with their covid infected selves on Nyquil.

Vaccine = reduced viral shedding for both symptomatic and asymptomatic carriers per CDC.

Cool. Got any references showing a causal impact on transmission?

"Vaccination Tied to Shorter COVID Illness, Less Viral Shedding"

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/101275

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Anonymous wrote:People need to get vaccinated. It is the holiday season. Stop the spread for heaven's sake!

The CDC doesn't claim that the booster stops spread/transmission. They only say that it helps protect against serious illness. (Which is very rare anyhow for healthy people post-Omicron.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

If it's not stopping transmission I see no reason to keep taking it when we don't know the long term impact of the boosters. And, covid is far less serious so basic precautions such as masking and handwashing are probably equally effective. More effective is people staying home when sick.

What about asymptomatic carriers??????

Ok, and?

Vaccination prevents covid and thus asymptomatic carriers would be included.

I thought we all agreed that the vaccines do not prevent covid. They prevent people from dying from covid. Actually making more carriers that aren't super sick with covid and still out there living life with their covid infected selves on Nyquil.

Vaccine = reduced viral shedding for both symptomatic and asymptomatic carriers per CDC.

Cool. Got any references showing a causal impact on transmission?

"Vaccination Tied to Shorter COVID Illness, Less Viral Shedding"

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/101275

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Anonymous wrote:People need to get vaccinated. It is the holiday season. Stop the spread for heaven's sake!

The CDC doesn't claim that the booster stops spread/transmission. They only say that it helps protect against serious illness. (Which is very rare anyhow for healthy people post-Omicron.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

If it's not stopping transmission I see no reason to keep taking it when we don't know the long term impact of the boosters. And, covid is far less serious so basic precautions such as masking and handwashing are probably equally effective. More effective is people staying home when sick.

What about asymptomatic carriers??????

Ok, and?

Vaccination prevents covid and thus asymptomatic carriers would be included.

I thought we all agreed that the vaccines do not prevent covid. They prevent people from dying from covid. Actually making more carriers that aren't super sick with covid and still out there living life with their covid infected selves on Nyquil.

Vaccine = reduced viral shedding for both symptomatic and asymptomatic carriers per CDC.

Cool. Got any references showing a causal impact on transmission?

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Anonymous wrote:People need to get vaccinated. It is the holiday season. Stop the spread for heaven's sake!

The CDC doesn't claim that the booster stops spread/transmission. They only say that it helps protect against serious illness. (Which is very rare anyhow for healthy people post-Omicron.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

If it's not stopping transmission I see no reason to keep taking it when we don't know the long term impact of the boosters. And, covid is far less serious so basic precautions such as masking and handwashing are probably equally effective. More effective is people staying home when sick.

What about asymptomatic carriers??????

Ok, and?

Vaccination prevents covid and thus asymptomatic carriers would be included.

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Anonymous wrote:People need to get vaccinated. It is the holiday season. Stop the spread for heaven's sake!

The CDC doesn't claim that the booster stops spread/transmission. They only say that it helps protect against serious illness. (Which is very rare anyhow for healthy people post-Omicron.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

If it's not stopping transmission I see no reason to keep taking it when we don't know the long term impact of the boosters. And, covid is far less serious so basic precautions such as masking and handwashing are probably equally effective. More effective is people staying home when sick.

What about asymptomatic carriers??????

Ok, and?

Vaccination prevents covid and thus asymptomatic carriers would be included.

I thought we all agreed that the vaccines do not prevent covid. They prevent people from dying from covid. Actually making more carriers that aren't super sick with covid and still out there living life with their covid infected selves on Nyquil.

Vaccine = reduced viral shedding for both symptomatic and asymptomatic carriers per CDC.

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Anonymous wrote:People need to get vaccinated. It is the holiday season. Stop the spread for heaven's sake!

The CDC doesn't claim that the booster stops spread/transmission. They only say that it helps protect against serious illness. (Which is very rare anyhow for healthy people post-Omicron.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

If it's not stopping transmission I see no reason to keep taking it when we don't know the long term impact of the boosters. And, covid is far less serious so basic precautions such as masking and handwashing are probably equally effective. More effective is people staying home when sick.

What about asymptomatic carriers??????

Ok, and?

Vaccination prevents covid and thus asymptomatic carriers would be included.

I thought we all agreed that the vaccines do not prevent covid. They prevent people from dying from covid. Actually making more carriers that aren't super sick with covid and still out there living life with their covid infected selves on Nyquil.

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Anonymous wrote:People need to get vaccinated. It is the holiday season. Stop the spread for heaven's sake!

The CDC doesn't claim that the booster stops spread/transmission. They only say that it helps protect against serious illness. (Which is very rare anyhow for healthy people post-Omicron.) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html

If it's not stopping transmission I see no reason to keep taking it when we don't know the long term impact of the boosters. And, covid is far less serious so basic precautions such as masking and handwashing are probably equally effective. More effective is people staying home when sick.

What about asymptomatic carriers??????

Ok, and?

Vaccination prevents covid and thus asymptomatic carriers would be included.