Anonymous
Post 08/04/2023 23:47     Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:At this time, the Big Ten Conference probably views a healthy SEC, a healthy Big 12, and a healthy ACC as its best friends. Nobody wants to hear the word antitrust and, under the current circumstances, that word will not be uttered.

The only school that the Big Ten Conference truly covets is independent, free agent Notre Dame. And even this fascination may fade over the next few years as the reality of the Big Ten Conference's embarrassment of riches sinks in.


The Big Ten needs to play the long game though and that means being opportunistic with big gets like ND and even a few ACC schools if things start to unravel there. With the SEC around no one needs to worry at all about the Big Ten and the word antitrust. The Big Ten should care less about a healthy ACC or Big 12. It isn't bad to have financially weaker and unstable opponents.


Which reveals a total lack of knowledge about antitrust law and antitrust concerns.


I'm an attorney and legitimately want to know what the potential antitrust worry could be for the Big Ten. I'm confused by these posts.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2023 23:41     Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Childish--but informative and telling--article written by a Notre Dame blogger:

https://si.com/college/notredame/football/college-football-is-going-through-its-biggest-shift-ever-and-i-dont-like-it

Interesting point: The Pac-12 turned down Texas & Oklahoma.

The article reveals what we already know: Notre Dame has trouble dealing with a changing world.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2023 23:30     Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Madness
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2023 23:27     Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The fan base at Maryland wasn't happy with the move at all. You can still hear Gary Williams complain even with the $$ windfall!


Debbie Yow almost bankrupted the athletic department; they needed the money. Gary was mad because he could no longer pitch playing against Duke and UNC to recruits. He was right to be worried, Maryland is even more of an afterthought now in basketball


That is true but doesn't change the fact that people at Maryland, including in the administration, were not happy about the move and didn't anticipate the magnitude of the Big 10 financial windfall. Their biggest concerns beyond short-term money were the rivalries and geographic footprint. Maryland has long overvalued itself as a basketball school. Williams has to know he got extremely lucky to win his natty. Like that say, sometimes it is better to be lucky than good.


Extremely lucky? UMD beat Wisconsin, Kentucky, UCONN, Kansas and Indiana to win. The toughest road possible. UMD even with all the acquisitions is the most recent B1G school to win the basketball natty.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2023 23:23     Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
And the other teams in the ACC have nowhere else to go.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2023 23:22     Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
The ACC is fine because the big noise maker--FSU--has little substance with respect to academics or athletics (football team is 29-30 over the past 5 years-if I recall correctly). Clemson without its current head football coach may revert to an average ACC football team.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2023 23:13     Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I can’t believe how screwed the acc is.


(OP here): No, the ACC is fine.

The team that is facing an unfortunate future is not a full member of the ACC.


The have-nots of the ACC are fine, because they won’t get better elsewhere (I.e., no one else will have them). The middle class is fine because they are roughly comparable to the Big 12 money. FSU and Clemson are not fine and look longingly at the SEC . The question is whether enough middle class ACC teams (UNC/UVA/Ga Tech to B1G, Va Tech/NC State to the SEC) can be persuaded to jump.

And, as always, that GOR.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2023 23:13     Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The fan base at Maryland wasn't happy with the move at all. You can still hear Gary Williams complain even with the $$ windfall!


Debbie Yow almost bankrupted the athletic department; they needed the money. Gary was mad because he could no longer pitch playing against Duke and UNC to recruits. He was right to be worried, Maryland is even more of an afterthought now in basketball


Do colleges & universities still play basketball ?


College basketball has plummeted in quality. The regular season is almost meaningless. First weekend of March madness is still an awesome product but that’s it. It used to be great … now its just ok.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2023 23:09     Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The fan base at Maryland wasn't happy with the move at all. You can still hear Gary Williams complain even with the $$ windfall!


Debbie Yow almost bankrupted the athletic department; they needed the money. Gary was mad because he could no longer pitch playing against Duke and UNC to recruits. He was right to be worried, Maryland is even more of an afterthought now in basketball


UMD bball won the big ten 2 yrs ago and has a fantastic new coach from the Pitino coaching tree. Poised for a great year.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2023 23:08     Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Is it comforting or disturbing that San Francisco area based Stanford is now homeless. Oh that darned Karma !


Reminds me of sanctuary city New York City now that it is experiencing the realities of unbridled immigration.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2023 23:06     Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Is it comforting or disturbing that San Francisco area based Stanford is now homeless. Oh that darned Karma !
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2023 23:03     Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The fan base at Maryland wasn't happy with the move at all. You can still hear Gary Williams complain even with the $$ windfall!


Debbie Yow almost bankrupted the athletic department; they needed the money. Gary was mad because he could no longer pitch playing against Duke and UNC to recruits. He was right to be worried, Maryland is even more of an afterthought now in basketball


Do colleges & universities still play basketball ?


It matters to the Big 12 and Big East but that is about it.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2023 23:02     Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The fan base at Maryland wasn't happy with the move at all. You can still hear Gary Williams complain even with the $$ windfall!


Debbie Yow almost bankrupted the athletic department; they needed the money. Gary was mad because he could no longer pitch playing against Duke and UNC to recruits. He was right to be worried, Maryland is even more of an afterthought now in basketball


That is true but doesn't change the fact that people at Maryland, including in the administration, were not happy about the move and didn't anticipate the magnitude of the Big 10 financial windfall. Their biggest concerns beyond short-term money were the rivalries and geographic footprint. Maryland has long overvalued itself as a basketball school. Williams has to know he got extremely lucky to win his natty. Like that say, sometimes it is better to be lucky than good.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2023 23:00     Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The fan base at Maryland wasn't happy with the move at all. You can still hear Gary Williams complain even with the $$ windfall!


Debbie Yow almost bankrupted the athletic department; they needed the money. Gary was mad because he could no longer pitch playing against Duke and UNC to recruits. He was right to be worried, Maryland is even more of an afterthought now in basketball


Do colleges & universities still play basketball ?
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2023 22:58     Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:At this time, the Big Ten Conference probably views a healthy SEC, a healthy Big 12, and a healthy ACC as its best friends. Nobody wants to hear the word antitrust and, under the current circumstances, that word will not be uttered.

The only school that the Big Ten Conference truly covets is independent, free agent Notre Dame. And even this fascination may fade over the next few years as the reality of the Big Ten Conference's embarrassment of riches sinks in.


The Big Ten needs to play the long game though and that means being opportunistic with big gets like ND and even a few ACC schools if things start to unravel there. With the SEC around no one needs to worry at all about the Big Ten and the word antitrust. The Big Ten should care less about a healthy ACC or Big 12. It isn't bad to have financially weaker and unstable opponents.


Which reveals a total lack of knowledge about antitrust law and antitrust concerns.