Have to admit that not all of the best engineers come from the best ranked schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

That is ridiculous.

They really need to just apply to European schools (or many asian countries as well) who you take a test, score high enough you get in

Maybe, that’s why foreign schools are now ranked higher than US universities in technical fields like engineering. They’re admitting the best and brightest abroad and not based on flimsy ID baskets.

No, inn reality, majority of Europeans and Asians want to attend undergrad and grad in the USA if they can afford it. But if you don't like our system you can go to one that does admit by test scores only.

I personally prefer to hire engineers who are more than a SAT score, in fact I don't really care what their SAT score was and College gpa does not matter beyond the first job, and I've hired excellent engineers who didn't even have a 3.0 in undergrad, but had the drive and curiosity and perseverance to critically think and problem solve. Plenty of excellent engineers who had only a 3.5 in HS and went to a non-T25 undergrad. I like my engineers to be able to collaborate, communicate, write technical specs, etc...and that comes from more than just an 800 on the Math SAT portion. It comes from a well rounded undergrad education and drive and motivation, that can be had at many many universities.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

That is ridiculous.

+1

The schools don't want just anyone. That is the exact point. They want people who will be a good fit. Without the SAT, "good fit" is subject to change at any time, which is the part the complainers do not like. It is the school's right to choose who they want, like it or not.

As long as they are not engaged in unlawful discrimination. Hence, the history of lawsuits on the topic.

When you reject 95% of your applicants, I find it hard to believe someone is actually discriminated against. Because the "asian" with poor likeabilty has hundreds of other asians, whites, blacks, hispanics, etc who are also with poor likeability. They just don't have the "it" factor Harvard is looking for. And parents and kids are pissed about it.
And no, I don't trust this SC to make a fair and balanced decision, it's the same court that overturned Roe.

I don’t trust Democrat racists either.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

That is ridiculous.

+1

The schools don't want just anyone. That is the exact point. They want people who will be a good fit. Without the SAT, "good fit" is subject to change at any time, which is the part the complainers do not like. It is the school's right to choose who they want, like it or not.

As long as they are not engaged in unlawful discrimination. Hence, the history of lawsuits on the topic.

When you reject 95% of your applicants, I find it hard to believe someone is actually discriminated against. Because the "asian" with poor likeabilty has hundreds of other asians, whites, blacks, hispanics, etc who are also with poor likeability. They just don't have the "it" factor Harvard is looking for. And parents and kids are pissed about it.
And no, I don't trust this SC to make a fair and balanced decision, it's the same court that overturned Roe.

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Anonymous wrote:This Chicago kid got into all the Ivues he applied to.

What’s the difference?

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/francis-parker-school-chicago-ivy-league-college-day/13110694/

There is an obvious difference.

?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

That is ridiculous.

+1

The schools don't want just anyone. That is the exact point. They want people who will be a good fit. Without the SAT, "good fit" is subject to change at any time, which is the part the complainers do not like. It is the school's right to choose who they want, like it or not.

Even with SAT, the SAT is just a part of the formula. Snowflakes just don't like being rejected, despite the fact that 95% are rejected, they take it personally and cannot handle it. They need to move on, and go to their lower reaches or targets that they gain acceptance to

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

That is ridiculous.

They really need to just apply to European schools (or many asian countries as well) who you take a test, score high enough you get in

Maybe, that’s why foreign schools are now ranked higher than US universities in technical fields like engineering. They’re admitting the best and brightest abroad and not based on flimsy ID baskets.

True. Look at US News best global engineering school rankings. Even scarier is the fact that many of China’s engineering schools in the world’s T25 or T50 don’t even belong to their Ministry of Education—they belong to their Ministry of Defense. Including world’s #5, Harbin, which is ranked just below world’s #4, MIT. It’s a military technical university.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/engineering

Anonymous wrote:One thought - Asian Americans have already scored something of a win in these cases. The Asian American percentage of the incoming Harvard class is near 30% (29.9%). It had been capped at around 20% for years as the number of Asian American applicants was increasing. While Harvard and other schools have conceded nothing in court, it certainly looks like they have made some adjustments to their admissions policies. I take it that capping a racial/ethnic group's admissions based on that group's lack of personality just didn't hold up when put under the spotlight.

Is this true? If so, fascinating….

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Anonymous wrote:Huge cultural chasm here. America does not have the same testing traditions you find in just about every other country in the world. Americans believe in never quitting more than they believe in winning. That's why footbalk teams that lose hard fought games get celebrated almost as though they won.

America started the bullshit system to discriminate Jews.
Now they are discriminating Asians.

💯

Anonymous wrote:This Chicago kid got into all the Ivues he applied to.

What’s the difference?

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/francis-parker-school-chicago-ivy-league-college-day/13110694/

There is an obvious difference.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Except, there are so many problems with this supposed fair solution and how the algorithm will work:

1. Who is a better engineering candidate...a kid with a 1400 SAT that is 800 Math / 600 Verbal, or a kid with a 1500 SAT that is 700 Math / 800 verbal? Flip that example around for someone applying as an English Major?
2. Who is a better college applicant...the kid that was one of the 10 Regeneron finalists with a 1550 SAT...or a kid that did nothing but has a 1590 SAT?
3. If you are applying to Yale for drama...how does any of this apply?
4. Again, who is the better candidate...the kid that had to work 30 hours per week during the school year to help support his family and got a 1500 SAT with no test prep help, or the rich kid that received 50 hours of paid test prep and scored a 1550?

The list could go on and on...how will the algorithm figure this out?

You have to draw the line in the sand somewhere.

There are too many people with perfect qualifications, as this thread goes on and on about, so most of your points are moot.

Set the limit for quality than randomly choose. End of story. No more fluff garbage like saving infants in 3rd world countries, no more sob stories of growing up without running water, no more BS my dad is an alumni and contributes a lot of money, no more ID crap.

Random selection. Donezo.

You are free to start a university and do exactly this. However, current universities are free to set their own guidelines for selecting students. FYI---they obviously see the value in accepting the low income/inner city student with only a 1500 who works 30 hours/week to help support their family. The fact that it might come at the expense of your kid does not make it the wrong choice. A High SAT does not (and should not) guarantee you admission to an elite college.

Social class or economic diversity makes sense…

This Chicago kid got into all the Ivues he applied to.

What’s the difference?

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/francis-parker-school-chicago-ivy-league-college-day/13110694/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

That is ridiculous.

They really need to just apply to European schools (or many asian countries as well) who you take a test, score high enough you get in

Maybe, that’s why foreign schools are now ranked higher than US universities in technical fields like engineering. They’re admitting the best and brightest abroad and not based on flimsy ID baskets.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

That is ridiculous.

+1

The schools don't want just anyone. That is the exact point. They want people who will be a good fit. Without the SAT, "good fit" is subject to change at any time, which is the part the complainers do not like. It is the school's right to choose who they want, like it or not.

As long as they are not engaged in unlawful discrimination. Hence, the history of lawsuits on the topic.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

That is ridiculous.

+1

The schools don't want just anyone. That is the exact point. They want people who will be a good fit. Without the SAT, "good fit" is subject to change at any time, which is the part the complainers do not like. It is the school's right to choose who they want, like it or not.