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Anonymous wrote:I’m here for the coal workers union pushing back on Manchin though. That’s interesting.

It's not surprising. There is a lot in BBB that would benefit the union's membership.

So why is Manchin doing this? Is this more than the most ridiculous petty power-trip ever?

People need to fight for what they want, tie his hands so to speak. Maybe this is just a way to wake up his voters who stand to lose quite a lot if they buy the republican lies about this bill. Or maybe, he really needs republican votes. I don’t know what’s inside his head, but I bet the WH will get a deal—the BBB plan is good for WV.

Meanwhile, Sinema. What’s up there?

Bloated bill chock full of pork barrel bullshit should fail under its own weight. Typical short sighted liberals with no sense of history. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

People from WV: bloated, full of pork and bullish#*. Failing under their own weight.

Ah, yes, The insults. That ought to win Manchin over!

With Manchin, we've been nice, we've been patient, we've held our punches back for a very very long time. But all he did is act in bad faith and screw everyone over. So why should we still be nice?
Republicans would have thrown him under the bus and called him a RINO long ago if he did to them what he did to us.

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Anonymous wrote:With Manchin, we've been nice, we've been patient, we've held our punches back for a very very long time. But all he did is act in bad faith and screw everyone over. So why should we still be nice?
Republicans would have thrown him under the bus and called him a RINO long ago if he did to them what he did to us.

No, you've been obnoxious just like the petulant progressives have. The Democrats really, really need to rein in the progressive wing and their demands if they want to get anything done in the next 11 months. If they don't, they are going to have one of the worst mid-term whitewashings in most of our lifetimes. It's already looking bad for the Democrats and they keep mismanaging things to make them worse and worse.

Manchin initially said he wanted a package under $1.5T, preferably closer to $1T. He negotiated in good faith and came back up to $1.8T including almost all of the package that was in the $1.9T package that the liberals wanted. The only thing he wanted was to axe the child tax credit, essentially giving money just for having children. He wanted to add a work requirement that the only people eligible for this would be those who were actually working, plus means testing so that only those making less than $200K HHI would qualify. So that those who were well above the 75th percentile nationwide were not going to be getting payouts when they didn't need them.

He was willing to compromise and instead of getting a good faith negotiation from Biden's team, some snotty WH staffer decided to try and bully Manchin and browbeat him into toeing the line. Biden needs to get his team under control because being so arrogant that you kill a negotiations is not the way to handle things when you have the absolute minimum possible majority in one chamber and only slightly more than bare minimum majority in the other chamber. Biden needs to bench whoever blew the negotiations and replace them and go back after the holidays and try and woo Manchin back, more politely this time.

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Anonymous wrote:With Manchin, we've been nice, we've been patient, we've held our punches back for a very very long time. But all he did is act in bad faith and screw everyone over. So why should we still be nice?
Republicans would have thrown him under the bus and called him a RINO long ago if he did to them what he did to us.

No, you've been obnoxious just like the petulant progressives have. The Democrats really, really need to rein in the progressive wing and their demands if they want to get anything done in the next 11 months. If they don't, they are going to have one of the worst mid-term whitewashings in most of our lifetimes. It's already looking bad for the Democrats and they keep mismanaging things to make them worse and worse.

Manchin initially said he wanted a package under $1.5T, preferably closer to $1T. He negotiated in good faith and came back up to $1.8T including almost all of the package that was in the $1.9T package that the liberals wanted. The only thing he wanted was to axe the child tax credit, essentially giving money just for having children. He wanted to add a work requirement that the only people eligible for this would be those who were actually working, plus means testing so that only those making less than $200K HHI would qualify. So that those who were well above the 75th percentile nationwide were not going to be getting payouts when they didn't need them.

He was willing to compromise and instead of getting a good faith negotiation from Biden's team, some snotty WH staffer decided to try and bully Manchin and browbeat him into toeing the line. Biden needs to get his team under control because being so arrogant that you kill a negotiations is not the way to handle things when you have the absolute minimum possible majority in one chamber and only slightly more than bare minimum majority in the other chamber. Biden needs to bench whoever blew the negotiations and replace them and go back after the holidays and try and woo Manchin back, more politely this time.

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Anonymous wrote:His requirements for the child “tax credit” (that’s not a tax credit) was simply a basic work requirement and a requirement that the money follows the child (eg to grandparents if they’re the ones raising the kid because the parents are messed up on drugs). They sound like pretty basic and easy requirements.

It wasn't even a work requirement. It was a 'you must sell girl scout cookies once a week to qualify' requirement. He asked for a $2,500 a YEAR minimum income per household. That's it.

Anonymous wrote:With Manchin, we've been nice, we've been patient, we've held our punches back for a very very long time. But all he did is act in bad faith and screw everyone over. So why should we still be nice?
Republicans would have thrown him under the bus and called him a RINO long ago if he did to them what he did to us.

Anonymous wrote:His requirements for the child “tax credit” (that’s not a tax credit) was simply a basic work requirement and a requirement that the money follows the child (eg to grandparents if they’re the ones raising the kid because the parents are messed up on drugs). They sound like pretty basic and easy requirements.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the problem is that Manchin knows from private conversations that he was not the only moderate dem who had a problem with this insanely bloated bill (he suggested there were at least several others in one of his interviews, but would not break confidences to tell who they are, that’s why he was trying to push for a public vote).. and I think he asked the WH to stop suggesting that he’s the only holdout when it’s not true… but then Saki et al just couldn’t help herself but try to make Manchin look bad in a public statement AGAIN and he said enough is enough of all the bullying.

But he WAS the only hold out. He was the only holdout from the Dems. He is full of sh!t.

Anonymous wrote:I think the problem is that Manchin knows from private conversations that he was not the only moderate dem who had a problem with this insanely bloated bill (he suggested there were at least several others in one of his interviews, but would not break confidences to tell who they are, that’s why he was trying to push for a public vote).. and I think he asked the WH to stop suggesting that he’s the only holdout when it’s not true… but then Saki et al just couldn’t help herself but try to make Manchin look bad in a public statement AGAIN and he said enough is enough of all the bullying.

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Anonymous wrote:He is representing his constituency. His job is to not make you happy with your patience. BBB is a disaster as it stands.

His constituency? Who is that these days?

Anonymous wrote:He is representing his constituency. His job is to not make you happy with your patience. BBB is a disaster as it stands.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe you all should start mocking the people of NY and CA.

Hmm, let’s think about why CA and NY might have lower English literacy rates than WV…

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Anonymous wrote:I’m here for the coal workers union pushing back on Manchin though. That’s interesting.

It's not surprising. There is a lot in BBB that would benefit the union's membership.

So why is Manchin doing this? Is this more than the most ridiculous petty power-trip ever?

People need to fight for what they want, tie his hands so to speak. Maybe this is just a way to wake up his voters who stand to lose quite a lot if they buy the republican lies about this bill. Or maybe, he really needs republican votes. I don’t know what’s inside his head, but I bet the WH will get a deal—the BBB plan is good for WV.

Meanwhile, Sinema. What’s up there?

Bloated bill chock full of pork barrel bullshit should fail under its own weight. Typical short sighted liberals with no sense of history. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

People from WV: bloated, full of pork and bullish#*. Failing under their own weight.

Ah, yes, The insults. That ought to win Manchin over!

Anonymous wrote:Maybe you all should start mocking the people of NY and CA.