Anonymous
12/13/2023 06:35
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Hard working Americans that lay sheet rock today, frame homes, and roof, should not have to pay taxes to support a war effort that wealthy Ukranians turn their back on.
Ukraine is a not a country is a former province with a gas station.
Ukraine is a not a country is a former province with a gas station.
Anonymous
12/12/2023 21:32
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am still holding my breath! Why cant biden throw a few more billion at this problem and fix it???
He just did!!!! Yay! The war must go on!
Money that could go to better the lives of American kids living in poverty. What is it with these men presidents and their obsession with wars everywhere all the time?
Ask Putin what his obsession with this war is. America didn't start it. Ukraine didn't start it. Putin is the one chose to start this war. Russia was under no threat, had no need to do so. Instead it was Putin's revanchism and greed. He got away with it with his Georgia land grab and his 2014 land grab and is just continuing his attack and imperial expansionism. It's entirely his obsession.
Anonymous
12/12/2023 21:29
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/12/us/politics/russia-intelligence-assessment.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
For those facing paywall -
Russia Has Suffered Staggeringly High Losses, U.S. Report Says
The declassified intelligence assessment also found that Russia’s objective has been eroding Western support for Ukraine, the country it invaded.
By Julian E. Barnes
Dec. 12, 2023 Updated 1:02 p.m. ET
The Russian push in eastern Ukraine this fall and winter was designed to sap Western support for Ukraine, according to a newly declassified American intelligence assessment.
The drive has resulted in heavy losses but has not led to strategic gains on the battlefield for Russia, said Adrienne Watson, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council.
Since the beginning of the war Russia has suffered from a staggeringly high number of losses, according to another newly declassified assessment shared with Congress. At the start of the war the Russian army stood at 360,000 troops. Russia has lost 315,000 of those troops, forcing them to recruit and mobilize new recruits and convicts from their prison system.
Moscow’s equipment has also been crushed, according to the assessment. At the start of the war, Russia had 3,500 tanks but has lost 2,200, forcing them to pull 50 year old T-62 tanks from storage.
The assessment says the Russian losses have reduced the complexity of Russia’s recent military operations in Ukraine.
“The war in Ukraine has sharply set back 15 years of Russian effort to modernize its ground force,” the declassified assessment said. “As of late November, Russia had lost over a quarter of its pre-2022 stockpile of ground forces equipment and has suffered casualties among its trained professional army.”
In the most recent push, Russia has suffered more than 13,000 people killed and wounded and lost more than 220 combat vehicles while fighting near Avdiivka and other cities, Ms. Watson said.
Russian forces had hoped for a swift breakthrough but encountered stiff Ukrainian resistance. Ukraine has moved forces from the south to reinforce its troops in the east. While Ukraine too has suffered causalities, its losses are not as significant as Russia’s, U.S. officials have said. Casualty figures on both sides of the conflict are estimates, according to American officials. Moscow is believed to routinely undercount its war dead and injured, and Kyiv does not disclose official figures.
he information was declassified as President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine visits Washington to help press the case that his country needs more American aid to help defend against the continued assault.
The White House is asking for $50 billion in additional security aid for Ukraine. But many conservative Republicans are skeptical about the country’s ability to win the war and want major changes in U.S. border security policy as part of a funding agreement.
Ms. Watson said the push by Russia is related to the funding debates in Congress. The declassified intelligence assessed that Russia “seems to believe that a military deadlock through the winter will drain Western support for Ukraine,” Ms. Watson said.
Russia, Ms. Watson said, continues to have shortages of soldiers and weaponry but is pushing in Eastern Ukraine despite its losses with hope of gaining an advantage.
Russia is closely tracking the debate in Congress, Ms. Watson said. Other U.S. officials briefed on intelligence reports agreed and said President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia believes he is beginning to see success in his strategy of trying to out wait the West.
Julian E. Barnes covers the U.S. intelligence agencies and international security matters for The Times. He has written about security issues for more than two decades. More about Julian E. Barnes
Western "Intelligence" really likes to throw out these crazy casualty numbers and rags like WAPO dutifully trumpet them. Somehow they lost 315,000 of 360,000 and they are still pushing Ukraine to the breaking point. There are probably a few people still probably believe it too.
Either WAPO or the letter boys are getting lazy since they didn't talk about how Russia is out of ammo, tanks, fuel and money as well.
Whatever you have to tell yourself, Vlad. Don’t worry, you’ll be totally safe when they send you to Ukraine.
This is Vlad's coping mechanism. He's unable to explain how it is that at its most active part of the front, "mighty" Russia has only managed to advance around 2km in the last 2 months despite pouring a massive amount of focused military effort into that effort. He's at a loss for that, and the photos that keep emerging from Avdiivka, which show dozens of Russia's most advanced tanks, fighting vehicles and personnel carriers sitting there burned out in a field of wreckage. He wants to make this about "Western intelligence" and flail around trying to make it all seem hyperbolic and implausible but frankly even a 13 year old looking at the maps and the photos can see for themselves and understand that Russia's campaign has been slow, painful and destructive to Russia.
But Vlad is not a 13 year old, looking at it with fresh eyes. Vlad is an indoctrinated True Believer, who earnestly still believes that "mighty" Russia lives up to its hype as a superpower and believes its army shares his hubris - but in fact, they don't, and the reality is that those trenches at the front are filled with cold, shivering, hungry farmers from dirt poor Kalmykia and Ingushetia and Dagestan, where many of them didn't go beyond middle school and don't even have paved roads or indoor plumbing, they thought it would be good to sign up for some money but now have no idea what they are doing there, have no training, no supplies, have bad officers who abuse them, and frankly don't even want to fight.
Anonymous
12/12/2023 21:21
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am still holding my breath! Why cant biden throw a few more billion at this problem and fix it???
He just did!!!! Yay! The war must go on!
Money that could go to better the lives of American kids living in poverty. What is it with these men presidents and their obsession with wars everywhere all the time?
Anonymous
12/12/2023 19:55
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/12/us/politics/russia-intelligence-assessment.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
For those facing paywall -
Russia Has Suffered Staggeringly High Losses, U.S. Report Says
The declassified intelligence assessment also found that Russia’s objective has been eroding Western support for Ukraine, the country it invaded.
By Julian E. Barnes
Dec. 12, 2023 Updated 1:02 p.m. ET
The Russian push in eastern Ukraine this fall and winter was designed to sap Western support for Ukraine, according to a newly declassified American intelligence assessment.
The drive has resulted in heavy losses but has not led to strategic gains on the battlefield for Russia, said Adrienne Watson, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council.
Since the beginning of the war Russia has suffered from a staggeringly high number of losses, according to another newly declassified assessment shared with Congress. At the start of the war the Russian army stood at 360,000 troops. Russia has lost 315,000 of those troops, forcing them to recruit and mobilize new recruits and convicts from their prison system.
Moscow’s equipment has also been crushed, according to the assessment. At the start of the war, Russia had 3,500 tanks but has lost 2,200, forcing them to pull 50 year old T-62 tanks from storage.
The assessment says the Russian losses have reduced the complexity of Russia’s recent military operations in Ukraine.
“The war in Ukraine has sharply set back 15 years of Russian effort to modernize its ground force,” the declassified assessment said. “As of late November, Russia had lost over a quarter of its pre-2022 stockpile of ground forces equipment and has suffered casualties among its trained professional army.”
In the most recent push, Russia has suffered more than 13,000 people killed and wounded and lost more than 220 combat vehicles while fighting near Avdiivka and other cities, Ms. Watson said.
Russian forces had hoped for a swift breakthrough but encountered stiff Ukrainian resistance. Ukraine has moved forces from the south to reinforce its troops in the east. While Ukraine too has suffered causalities, its losses are not as significant as Russia’s, U.S. officials have said. Casualty figures on both sides of the conflict are estimates, according to American officials. Moscow is believed to routinely undercount its war dead and injured, and Kyiv does not disclose official figures.
he information was declassified as President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine visits Washington to help press the case that his country needs more American aid to help defend against the continued assault.
The White House is asking for $50 billion in additional security aid for Ukraine. But many conservative Republicans are skeptical about the country’s ability to win the war and want major changes in U.S. border security policy as part of a funding agreement.
Ms. Watson said the push by Russia is related to the funding debates in Congress. The declassified intelligence assessed that Russia “seems to believe that a military deadlock through the winter will drain Western support for Ukraine,” Ms. Watson said.
Russia, Ms. Watson said, continues to have shortages of soldiers and weaponry but is pushing in Eastern Ukraine despite its losses with hope of gaining an advantage.
Russia is closely tracking the debate in Congress, Ms. Watson said. Other U.S. officials briefed on intelligence reports agreed and said President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia believes he is beginning to see success in his strategy of trying to out wait the West.
Julian E. Barnes covers the U.S. intelligence agencies and international security matters for The Times. He has written about security issues for more than two decades. More about Julian E. Barnes
Western "Intelligence" really likes to throw out these crazy casualty numbers and rags like WAPO dutifully trumpet them. Somehow they lost 315,000 of 360,000 and they are still pushing Ukraine to the breaking point. There are probably a few people still probably believe it too.
Either WAPO or the letter boys are getting lazy since they didn't talk about how Russia is out of ammo, tanks, fuel and money as well.
Whatever you have to tell yourself, Vlad. Don’t worry, you’ll be totally safe when they send you to Ukraine.
Anonymous
12/12/2023 19:47
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
What ironic is Ukrainian Americans support republicans who want to stop funding Ukraine
Jewish Americans support Dems who want to keep funding the war
Very interesting
This reminds me of the King Solomon baby story
The real mother would rather see the baby live but not be its mom
Those with an ulterior motive just want to use certain things for their own ends
Jewish Americans support Dems who want to keep funding the war
Very interesting
This reminds me of the King Solomon baby story
The real mother would rather see the baby live but not be its mom
Those with an ulterior motive just want to use certain things for their own ends
Anonymous
12/12/2023 19:19
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/12/us/politics/russia-intelligence-assessment.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
For those facing paywall -
Russia Has Suffered Staggeringly High Losses, U.S. Report Says
The declassified intelligence assessment also found that Russia’s objective has been eroding Western support for Ukraine, the country it invaded.
By Julian E. Barnes
Dec. 12, 2023 Updated 1:02 p.m. ET
The Russian push in eastern Ukraine this fall and winter was designed to sap Western support for Ukraine, according to a newly declassified American intelligence assessment.
The drive has resulted in heavy losses but has not led to strategic gains on the battlefield for Russia, said Adrienne Watson, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council.
Since the beginning of the war Russia has suffered from a staggeringly high number of losses, according to another newly declassified assessment shared with Congress. At the start of the war the Russian army stood at 360,000 troops. Russia has lost 315,000 of those troops, forcing them to recruit and mobilize new recruits and convicts from their prison system.
Moscow’s equipment has also been crushed, according to the assessment. At the start of the war, Russia had 3,500 tanks but has lost 2,200, forcing them to pull 50 year old T-62 tanks from storage.
The assessment says the Russian losses have reduced the complexity of Russia’s recent military operations in Ukraine.
“The war in Ukraine has sharply set back 15 years of Russian effort to modernize its ground force,” the declassified assessment said. “As of late November, Russia had lost over a quarter of its pre-2022 stockpile of ground forces equipment and has suffered casualties among its trained professional army.”
In the most recent push, Russia has suffered more than 13,000 people killed and wounded and lost more than 220 combat vehicles while fighting near Avdiivka and other cities, Ms. Watson said.
Russian forces had hoped for a swift breakthrough but encountered stiff Ukrainian resistance. Ukraine has moved forces from the south to reinforce its troops in the east. While Ukraine too has suffered causalities, its losses are not as significant as Russia’s, U.S. officials have said. Casualty figures on both sides of the conflict are estimates, according to American officials. Moscow is believed to routinely undercount its war dead and injured, and Kyiv does not disclose official figures.
he information was declassified as President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine visits Washington to help press the case that his country needs more American aid to help defend against the continued assault.
The White House is asking for $50 billion in additional security aid for Ukraine. But many conservative Republicans are skeptical about the country’s ability to win the war and want major changes in U.S. border security policy as part of a funding agreement.
Ms. Watson said the push by Russia is related to the funding debates in Congress. The declassified intelligence assessed that Russia “seems to believe that a military deadlock through the winter will drain Western support for Ukraine,” Ms. Watson said.
Russia, Ms. Watson said, continues to have shortages of soldiers and weaponry but is pushing in Eastern Ukraine despite its losses with hope of gaining an advantage.
Russia is closely tracking the debate in Congress, Ms. Watson said. Other U.S. officials briefed on intelligence reports agreed and said President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia believes he is beginning to see success in his strategy of trying to out wait the West.
Julian E. Barnes covers the U.S. intelligence agencies and international security matters for The Times. He has written about security issues for more than two decades. More about Julian E. Barnes
Western "Intelligence" really likes to throw out these crazy casualty numbers and rags like WAPO dutifully trumpet them. Somehow they lost 315,000 of 360,000 and they are still pushing Ukraine to the breaking point. There are probably a few people still probably believe it too.
Either WAPO or the letter boys are getting lazy since they didn't talk about how Russia is out of ammo, tanks, fuel and money as well.
Anonymous
12/12/2023 19:10
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Russia's willingness to suffer staggering casualties is mind-boggling. They started with an army of 360,000 soldiers, And they've lost 315,000 of them. Breathtaking.
Saw some combat footage on reddit. Entire fields of dead Russians. It's like the Hunger Games. There is the capital city - Moscow. where people live in splendor. And then there are the provincials who are sacrificed to the meat grinder.
And for what? Best case Russia keeps Donbass and Crimea - which they already had! There's no chance they are taking Odessa, much less Kyiv or western Ukraine. And Russians continue to die for this, upwards of a 1000 a day. Ukrainians are fighting for land and family survival. The Russians? What's the point of all this death?
My takeaway is that Russian men are pathetic. Why they don't turn their guns on the Kremlin escapes me. Think Prigozhin had the right idea. He should have followed through with his thunder run to Moscow. Would have saved a lot of lives. Including his own.
Saw some combat footage on reddit. Entire fields of dead Russians. It's like the Hunger Games. There is the capital city - Moscow. where people live in splendor. And then there are the provincials who are sacrificed to the meat grinder.
And for what? Best case Russia keeps Donbass and Crimea - which they already had! There's no chance they are taking Odessa, much less Kyiv or western Ukraine. And Russians continue to die for this, upwards of a 1000 a day. Ukrainians are fighting for land and family survival. The Russians? What's the point of all this death?
My takeaway is that Russian men are pathetic. Why they don't turn their guns on the Kremlin escapes me. Think Prigozhin had the right idea. He should have followed through with his thunder run to Moscow. Would have saved a lot of lives. Including his own.
Anonymous
12/12/2023 19:01
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Patriotic Ukranian oligarchs will step in and defend freedom.
Right Vlad. Too bad you have no evidence for your propoganda -
Don’t let evidence or reality get in the way of your false claims .
Why shouldn’t they contribute?
They should obviously but this is a Russian propoganda red herring
Anonymous
12/12/2023 18:57
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Patriotic Ukranian oligarchs will step in and defend freedom.
Right Vlad. Too bad you have no evidence for your propoganda -
Don’t let evidence or reality get in the way of your false claims .
Why shouldn’t they contribute?
Anonymous
12/12/2023 18:42
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am still holding my breath! Why cant biden throw a few more billion at this problem and fix it???
He just did!!!! Yay! The war must go on!
Russian state media is literally celebrating Republican positions on Ukraine as it furthers their agenda …
Praying for Ukraine to defeat this anti democratic monster …
Anonymous
12/12/2023 18:39
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:Patriotic Ukranian oligarchs will step in and defend freedom.
Right Vlad. Too bad you have no evidence for your propoganda -
Don’t let evidence or reality get in the way of your false claims .
Anonymous
12/12/2023 18:33
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Anonymous wrote:I am still holding my breath! Why cant biden throw a few more billion at this problem and fix it???
He just did!!!! Yay! The war must go on!
Anonymous
12/12/2023 18:27
Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
Patriotic Ukranian oligarchs will step in and defend freedom.
Anonymous
12/12/2023 18:25
Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/12/us/politics/russia-intelligence-assessment.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
For those facing paywall -
Russia Has Suffered Staggeringly High Losses, U.S. Report Says
The declassified intelligence assessment also found that Russia’s objective has been eroding Western support for Ukraine, the country it invaded.
By Julian E. Barnes
Dec. 12, 2023 Updated 1:02 p.m. ET
The Russian push in eastern Ukraine this fall and winter was designed to sap Western support for Ukraine, according to a newly declassified American intelligence assessment.
The drive has resulted in heavy losses but has not led to strategic gains on the battlefield for Russia, said Adrienne Watson, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council.
Since the beginning of the war Russia has suffered from a staggeringly high number of losses, according to another newly declassified assessment shared with Congress. At the start of the war the Russian army stood at 360,000 troops. Russia has lost 315,000 of those troops, forcing them to recruit and mobilize new recruits and convicts from their prison system.
Moscow’s equipment has also been crushed, according to the assessment. At the start of the war, Russia had 3,500 tanks but has lost 2,200, forcing them to pull 50 year old T-62 tanks from storage.
The assessment says the Russian losses have reduced the complexity of Russia’s recent military operations in Ukraine.
“The war in Ukraine has sharply set back 15 years of Russian effort to modernize its ground force,” the declassified assessment said. “As of late November, Russia had lost over a quarter of its pre-2022 stockpile of ground forces equipment and has suffered casualties among its trained professional army.”
In the most recent push, Russia has suffered more than 13,000 people killed and wounded and lost more than 220 combat vehicles while fighting near Avdiivka and other cities, Ms. Watson said.
Russian forces had hoped for a swift breakthrough but encountered stiff Ukrainian resistance. Ukraine has moved forces from the south to reinforce its troops in the east. While Ukraine too has suffered causalities, its losses are not as significant as Russia’s, U.S. officials have said. Casualty figures on both sides of the conflict are estimates, according to American officials. Moscow is believed to routinely undercount its war dead and injured, and Kyiv does not disclose official figures.
he information was declassified as President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine visits Washington to help press the case that his country needs more American aid to help defend against the continued assault.
The White House is asking for $50 billion in additional security aid for Ukraine. But many conservative Republicans are skeptical about the country’s ability to win the war and want major changes in U.S. border security policy as part of a funding agreement.
Ms. Watson said the push by Russia is related to the funding debates in Congress. The declassified intelligence assessed that Russia “seems to believe that a military deadlock through the winter will drain Western support for Ukraine,” Ms. Watson said.
Russia, Ms. Watson said, continues to have shortages of soldiers and weaponry but is pushing in Eastern Ukraine despite its losses with hope of gaining an advantage.
Russia is closely tracking the debate in Congress, Ms. Watson said. Other U.S. officials briefed on intelligence reports agreed and said President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia believes he is beginning to see success in his strategy of trying to out wait the West.
Julian E. Barnes covers the U.S. intelligence agencies and international security matters for The Times. He has written about security issues for more than two decades. More about Julian E. Barnes
For those facing paywall -
Russia Has Suffered Staggeringly High Losses, U.S. Report Says
The declassified intelligence assessment also found that Russia’s objective has been eroding Western support for Ukraine, the country it invaded.
By Julian E. Barnes
Dec. 12, 2023 Updated 1:02 p.m. ET
The Russian push in eastern Ukraine this fall and winter was designed to sap Western support for Ukraine, according to a newly declassified American intelligence assessment.
The drive has resulted in heavy losses but has not led to strategic gains on the battlefield for Russia, said Adrienne Watson, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council.
Since the beginning of the war Russia has suffered from a staggeringly high number of losses, according to another newly declassified assessment shared with Congress. At the start of the war the Russian army stood at 360,000 troops. Russia has lost 315,000 of those troops, forcing them to recruit and mobilize new recruits and convicts from their prison system.
Moscow’s equipment has also been crushed, according to the assessment. At the start of the war, Russia had 3,500 tanks but has lost 2,200, forcing them to pull 50 year old T-62 tanks from storage.
The assessment says the Russian losses have reduced the complexity of Russia’s recent military operations in Ukraine.
“The war in Ukraine has sharply set back 15 years of Russian effort to modernize its ground force,” the declassified assessment said. “As of late November, Russia had lost over a quarter of its pre-2022 stockpile of ground forces equipment and has suffered casualties among its trained professional army.”
In the most recent push, Russia has suffered more than 13,000 people killed and wounded and lost more than 220 combat vehicles while fighting near Avdiivka and other cities, Ms. Watson said.
Russian forces had hoped for a swift breakthrough but encountered stiff Ukrainian resistance. Ukraine has moved forces from the south to reinforce its troops in the east. While Ukraine too has suffered causalities, its losses are not as significant as Russia’s, U.S. officials have said. Casualty figures on both sides of the conflict are estimates, according to American officials. Moscow is believed to routinely undercount its war dead and injured, and Kyiv does not disclose official figures.
he information was declassified as President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine visits Washington to help press the case that his country needs more American aid to help defend against the continued assault.
The White House is asking for $50 billion in additional security aid for Ukraine. But many conservative Republicans are skeptical about the country’s ability to win the war and want major changes in U.S. border security policy as part of a funding agreement.
Ms. Watson said the push by Russia is related to the funding debates in Congress. The declassified intelligence assessed that Russia “seems to believe that a military deadlock through the winter will drain Western support for Ukraine,” Ms. Watson said.
Russia, Ms. Watson said, continues to have shortages of soldiers and weaponry but is pushing in Eastern Ukraine despite its losses with hope of gaining an advantage.
Russia is closely tracking the debate in Congress, Ms. Watson said. Other U.S. officials briefed on intelligence reports agreed and said President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia believes he is beginning to see success in his strategy of trying to out wait the West.
Julian E. Barnes covers the U.S. intelligence agencies and international security matters for The Times. He has written about security issues for more than two decades. More about Julian E. Barnes