Anonymous
03/10/2020 07:05
Subject: Re:Here is why we should close schools now.
Wow Princeton and Columbia closed classes. Westchester, NY schools are closing.
Anonymous
03/10/2020 07:02
Subject: Re:Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Say whaaaaat? When did we get to that many cases so fast????
USA 729 cases!!!! In how many days from the initial 19?????
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
It will be 3000 by Friday. Everyone I know is “business as usual”. Tons of people in Disney or out West last weekend. What do people think will stop it?
The US will be worse than Italy. The only thing that will stop it will be a vaccine next year.
You don’t show symptoms for a week. Think about all those people walking around right now who have been exposed, may have caught it but don’t know it yet who are exposing to other people. The numbers are going to skyrocket in the next few weeks. Then when people finally understand, it will be too late. God, this is scary.
Anonymous
03/10/2020 06:57
Subject: Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am okay with closure (in fact think it is prudent) but I really wish the pro-closure posters on this thread didn't sound so much like they do not give a crap about anyone who isn't a suburban mom holing up in her giant house. They leave the impression they don't care about janitors, or restaurant workers, or bus drivers, or really anyone who faces eviction, loss of health insurance, or bankruptcy if they can't pay their rent.
Because they don’t.
That is absolutely not true. I wonder why working parents cannot creatively piece together childcare with friends/family -- surely they would be able to find a teenager or college student to watch their kids? Or pool together with another parent to coordinate childcare? Or ask their employer to help by allowing them to bring their child to their workplace? Or approach their local church for help with childcare for the days they cannot get help from other sources?
Yes, I have worked as a waitress for many years prior to marriage and kids. I know it is difficult, but this blanket statement that "noone cares about the working class" is just so irresponsible and ridiculous.
I am pro closure, still not a suburban mom in a big house, and until 5 years ago when I remarried, I was a divorced mom of two in a tiny urban apartment. I also grew up poor and know hunger, no power, and evictions all too well. At points, as a single mom, I paid more for childcare than I did for rent and I depended on WIC and a network of church, friends, and family to make ends meet during the two weeks at the start of each month that I had no money because it was spent already on rent and child care. But I was also someone who rode the bus every day with older people who also had to work. They were caring for a disabled adult child or young grandkids. If they missed the 5:50 bus on Monday, I knew they were ill and that the rest of the month would be tight for them.
Of course it is difficult -- school closures would be the LAST RESORT because the safety net for so many people is thread bare. We get that. We are in an unchartered healthcare situation in recent US history. But it does no good to chastise people who are advocating school closures as they don't care for the poor. We ALL have to care about the health and welfare of our own families/elderly parents/immunocompromised. So the rights of the poor outweigh the rights of the immuno-compromised middle-upper classes?
Anonymous
03/10/2020 06:54
Subject: Re:Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:Say whaaaaat? When did we get to that many cases so fast????
USA 729 cases!!!! In how many days from the initial 19?????
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
DH works at a hospital and at least 3 people seem to have it. The hospital is freaking out about exposure to doctors and staff. This has not hit news yet. Numbers are going to explode once those million test kits are out and used.
Anonymous
03/10/2020 06:52
Subject: Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am okay with closure (in fact think it is prudent) but I really wish the pro-closure posters on this thread didn't sound so much like they do not give a crap about anyone who isn't a suburban mom holing up in her giant house. They leave the impression they don't care about janitors, or restaurant workers, or bus drivers, or really anyone who faces eviction, loss of health insurance, or bankruptcy if they can't pay their rent.
Because they don’t.
That is absolutely not true. I wonder why working parents cannot creatively piece together childcare with friends/family -- surely they would be able to find a teenager or college student to watch their kids? Or pool together with another parent to coordinate childcare? Or ask their employer to help by allowing them to bring their child to their workplace? Or approach their local church for help with childcare for the days they cannot get help from other sources?
Yes, I have worked as a waitress for many years prior to marriage and kids. I know it is difficult, but this blanket statement that "noone cares about the working class" is just so irresponsible and ridiculous.
Or ask to change workshifts where one parent is at home while other is working.
Anonymous
03/10/2020 06:48
Subject: Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am okay with closure (in fact think it is prudent) but I really wish the pro-closure posters on this thread didn't sound so much like they do not give a crap about anyone who isn't a suburban mom holing up in her giant house. They leave the impression they don't care about janitors, or restaurant workers, or bus drivers, or really anyone who faces eviction, loss of health insurance, or bankruptcy if they can't pay their rent.
Because they don’t.
That is absolutely not true. I wonder why working parents cannot creatively piece together childcare with friends/family -- surely they would be able to find a teenager or college student to watch their kids? Or pool together with another parent to coordinate childcare? Or ask their employer to help by allowing them to bring their child to their workplace? Or approach their local church for help with childcare for the days they cannot get help from other sources?
Yes, I have worked as a waitress for many years prior to marriage and kids. I know it is difficult, but this blanket statement that "noone cares about the working class" is just so irresponsible and ridiculous.
I am pro closure, still not a suburban mom in a big house, and until 5 years ago when I remarried, I was a divorced mom of two in a tiny urban apartment. I also grew up poor and know hunger, no power, and evictions all too well. At points, as a single mom, I paid more for childcare than I did for rent and I depended on WIC and a network of church, friends, and family to make ends meet during the two weeks at the start of each month that I had no money because it was spent already on rent and child care. But I was also someone who rode the bus every day with older people who also had to work. They were caring for a disabled adult child or young grandkids. If they missed the 5:50 bus on Monday, I knew they were ill and that the rest of the month would be tight for them.
Anonymous
03/10/2020 06:45
Subject: Re:Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Say whaaaaat? When did we get to that many cases so fast????
USA 729 cases!!!! In how many days from the initial 19?????
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
It will be 3000 by Friday. Everyone I know is “business as usual”. Tons of people in Disney or out West last weekend. What do people think will stop it?
The US will be worse than Italy. The only thing that will stop it will be a vaccine next year.
Anonymous
03/10/2020 06:44
Subject: Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am okay with closure (in fact think it is prudent) but I really wish the pro-closure posters on this thread didn't sound so much like they do not give a crap about anyone who isn't a suburban mom holing up in her giant house. They leave the impression they don't care about janitors, or restaurant workers, or bus drivers, or really anyone who faces eviction, loss of health insurance, or bankruptcy if they can't pay their rent.
Because they don’t.
That is absolutely not true. I wonder why working parents cannot creatively piece together childcare with friends/family -- surely they would be able to find a teenager or college student to watch their kids? Or pool together with another parent to coordinate childcare? Or ask their employer to help by allowing them to bring their child to their workplace? Or approach their local church for help with childcare for the days they cannot get help from other sources?
Yes, I have worked as a waitress for many years prior to marriage and kids. I know it is difficult, but this blanket statement that "noone cares about the working class" is just so irresponsible and ridiculous.
If the whole point of closing schools is isolation don’t your proposed options undermine that. And isn’t that the point that the anti-closure people are making - closing schools isn’t going to keep kids from spreading the virus?
Anonymous
03/10/2020 06:35
Subject: Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am okay with closure (in fact think it is prudent) but I really wish the pro-closure posters on this thread didn't sound so much like they do not give a crap about anyone who isn't a suburban mom holing up in her giant house. They leave the impression they don't care about janitors, or restaurant workers, or bus drivers, or really anyone who faces eviction, loss of health insurance, or bankruptcy if they can't pay their rent.
Because they don’t.
That is absolutely not true. I wonder why working parents cannot creatively piece together childcare with friends/family -- surely they would be able to find a teenager or college student to watch their kids? Or pool together with another parent to coordinate childcare? Or ask their employer to help by allowing them to bring their child to their workplace? Or approach their local church for help with childcare for the days they cannot get help from other sources?
Yes, I have worked as a waitress for many years prior to marriage and kids. I know it is difficult, but this blanket statement that "noone cares about the working class" is just so irresponsible and ridiculous.
Anonymous
03/10/2020 05:59
Subject: Re:Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:Say whaaaaat? When did we get to that many cases so fast????
USA 729 cases!!!! In how many days from the initial 19?????
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
It will be 3000 by Friday. Everyone I know is “business as usual”. Tons of people in Disney or out West last weekend. What do people think will stop it?
Anonymous
03/10/2020 05:25
Subject: Re:Here is why we should close schools now.
Say whaaaaat? When did we get to that many cases so fast????
USA 729 cases!!!! In how many days from the initial 19?????
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
USA 729 cases!!!! In how many days from the initial 19?????
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Anonymous
03/10/2020 05:18
Subject: Re:Here is why we should close schools now.
What if? What if we are making wrong assumptions regarding kids safety?
Here is why..we all tend to question chinese data.
However we tend to rely on the reports that kids are safe and mortality in the up to 9 is zero and 2 per thousand in 9 to 19 group.
But have you seen Wuhan? All sealed. From early on. People completely sealed at homes. So yes and perhaps if you kept kids religiously isolated then you sure could have some good results. But we are NOT doing any of this and not as early as they did it.
Can we and should we expect the same results???
Here is why..we all tend to question chinese data.
However we tend to rely on the reports that kids are safe and mortality in the up to 9 is zero and 2 per thousand in 9 to 19 group.
But have you seen Wuhan? All sealed. From early on. People completely sealed at homes. So yes and perhaps if you kept kids religiously isolated then you sure could have some good results. But we are NOT doing any of this and not as early as they did it.
Can we and should we expect the same results???
Anonymous
03/10/2020 01:27
Subject: Re:Here is why we should close schools now.
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Anonymous
03/10/2020 01:26
Subject: Re:Here is why we should close schools now.
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Virology explanation:
This is a new virus that just jumped the species barrier and as a result is not adapted to humans. Because of that it's more likely to kill its host or make it very ill, instead of living quietly and replicating. The consequence is that there is a characteristic spike in cases, like for all pandemics (that are all due to new strains maladapted to humans). THE SPIKE IS WHAT'S LETHAL TO THE COMMUNITY. Healthcare system are not made to receive so many patients at once, and they break down from over-solicitation. This will happen if we don't implement closures right now.
I hope you understand.
- microbiologist[
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Anonymous
03/09/2020 23:44
Subject: Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:I am okay with closure (in fact think it is prudent) but I really wish the pro-closure posters on this thread didn't sound so much like they do not give a crap about anyone who isn't a suburban mom holing up in her giant house. They leave the impression they don't care about janitors, or restaurant workers, or bus drivers, or really anyone who faces eviction, loss of health insurance, or bankruptcy if they can't pay their rent.
Because they don’t.