Anonymous
10/12/2017 08:35
Subject: APS middle school boundary process
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Good start, but I see 40pgs of people suggesting that we should all want diversity at any cost. I certainly hope all those families from Wburg and Stratford are offering to send their kids to S Arl middle schools even without the immersion program.
No, just at the cost of busing some kids. Which we already do for families near ATS and ASFS (and I would argue walkable ESs are more important than walkable MS because parents need to be able to get to ES much more frequently and because the older you are, the more important it is that you get out of your bubble)
This is not an insignificant cost, on multiple levels. First, the actual economic costs of more buses, more drivers, more bus storage. All of which are in short supply already. Second is the cost to the kids and families of breaking apart neighborhood schools. I've posted multiple times that my family is less than a 10min walk on safe, surface streets to Swanson. Common sense says that busing my kids to Kenmore, while bringing buses of kids past our house to Swanson makes no sense. Third are the costs to our children in terms of lost sleep. There are already studies about the insufficient sleep our kids are getting, why put even more kids on buses than absolutely necessary? It also will have a cost on commutes and traffic, since lots of parents will start driving their kids rather than having them catch a pre-dawn bus, and all that traffic was the outcry against a 4th HS at Kenmore.
There are lots of costs, making those options particularly bad.
There is a much higher cost for our entire community, over the long term, if we concentrate poverty. It makes your concerns seem very small.
Put another way, people are saying its OK with them that kids two miles away go to schools where more than 50% of the kids are in poverty, as long as their kids get to sleep 30 minutes later each morning.
Anonymous
10/12/2017 08:24
Subject: APS middle school boundary process
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Good start, but I see 40pgs of people suggesting that we should all want diversity at any cost. I certainly hope all those families from Wburg and Stratford are offering to send their kids to S Arl middle schools even without the immersion program.
No, just at the cost of busing some kids. Which we already do for families near ATS and ASFS (and I would argue walkable ESs are more important than walkable MS because parents need to be able to get to ES much more frequently and because the older you are, the more important it is that you get out of your bubble)
This is not an insignificant cost, on multiple levels. First, the actual economic costs of more buses, more drivers, more bus storage. All of which are in short supply already. Second is the cost to the kids and families of breaking apart neighborhood schools. I've posted multiple times that my family is less than a 10min walk on safe, surface streets to Swanson. Common sense says that busing my kids to Kenmore, while bringing buses of kids past our house to Swanson makes no sense. Third are the costs to our children in terms of lost sleep. There are already studies about the insufficient sleep our kids are getting, why put even more kids on buses than absolutely necessary? It also will have a cost on commutes and traffic, since lots of parents will start driving their kids rather than having them catch a pre-dawn bus, and all that traffic was the outcry against a 4th HS at Kenmore.
There are lots of costs, making those options particularly bad.
There is a much higher cost for our entire community, over the long term, if we concentrate poverty. It makes your concerns seem very small.
Anonymous
10/12/2017 08:05
Subject: APS middle school boundary process
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Good start, but I see 40pgs of people suggesting that we should all want diversity at any cost. I certainly hope all those families from Wburg and Stratford are offering to send their kids to S Arl middle schools even without the immersion program.
No, just at the cost of busing some kids. Which we already do for families near ATS and ASFS (and I would argue walkable ESs are more important than walkable MS because parents need to be able to get to ES much more frequently and because the older you are, the more important it is that you get out of your bubble)
This is not an insignificant cost, on multiple levels. First, the actual economic costs of more buses, more drivers, more bus storage. All of which are in short supply already. Second is the cost to the kids and families of breaking apart neighborhood schools. I've posted multiple times that my family is less than a 10min walk on safe, surface streets to Swanson. Common sense says that busing my kids to Kenmore, while bringing buses of kids past our house to Swanson makes no sense. Third are the costs to our children in terms of lost sleep. There are already studies about the insufficient sleep our kids are getting, why put even more kids on buses than absolutely necessary? It also will have a cost on commutes and traffic, since lots of parents will start driving their kids rather than having them catch a pre-dawn bus, and all that traffic was the outcry against a 4th HS at Kenmore.
There are lots of costs, making those options particularly bad.
Anonymous
10/12/2017 07:44
Subject: APS middle school boundary process
Well, hopefully the SB does better in its next iteration of proposals. People within 1 mile should be able to walk. And they shouldn't insist on their no island policy when the outcome in every one of their blended scenarios is half of Arlington middle schools being 40% or more farms. They should do a 1 mile walking perimeter, then bus in kids from Jefferson, Kenmore, and Gunston to the three schools in the north.
Anonymous
10/12/2017 07:38
Subject: APS middle school boundary process
Anonymous wrote:
Good start, but I see 40pgs of people suggesting that we should all want diversity at any cost. I certainly hope all those families from Wburg and Stratford are offering to send their kids to S Arl middle schools even without the immersion program.
No, just at the cost of busing some kids. Which we already do for families near ATS and ASFS (and I would argue walkable ESs are more important than walkable MS because parents need to be able to get to ES much more frequently and because the older you are, the more important it is that you get out of your bubble)
Anonymous
10/11/2017 23:46
Subject: Re:APS middle school boundary process
Anonymous wrote:This is really going off the rails. Swanson folk, come get your cousin! He's into the cups again.
+1
I’m loving it. Planning to read these comments to the school board.
Anonymous
10/11/2017 22:56
Subject: Re:APS middle school boundary process
This is really going off the rails. Swanson folk, come get your cousin! He's into the cups again.
Anonymous
10/11/2017 22:42
Subject: APS middle school boundary process
Anonymous wrote:SA people are living in a fantasy world where they imagine the rich and UMC will just suck it up and send their kids to Kenmore because....?? Not happening.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I bought a nice house in North Arlington and the school board said my kids couldnt go to the neighborhood schools but instead had to be bussed to go to school with the poors, I would be irate. Anyone who can afford a nice house in NA is not going to stand for having their children condemned to an substandard education. That was the whole reason they bought the house in the first place.
Yep. That's why I'll sell and take a loss before sending my children to Kenmore. My house will be bought by a speculator and become another bro rental, or another low cost rental to a big low SES family, and Kenmore will be none the better. Meanwhile my old home will be worth less and no one will be building any new builds there or nearby. Bye-bye tax base. I'll take my UMC income and give it to Fairfax County instead.
You and your kids are a dime a dozen. Nobody will miss you. A younger less frightened, more enlightened family will replace you. Can’t wait.
Yes, but who will pay the taxes to support the poors getting this education? I get many of the poors from South Arlington despise the North Arlington contingent. But the facts is, those NA whites in NA are carrying the poors in SA. And if the NA contingent leaves in large quantities, aArlington will be more woke, but also broke.
The poors have a fundamental belief that they are entitled to help themselves to whatever it is the wealthy have, whether its education, high quality housing, etc. No one should be surprised about this - that belief is actually what makes the poors the poors in the first place.
Anonymous
10/11/2017 22:25
Subject: APS middle school boundary process
SA people are living in a fantasy world where they imagine the rich and UMC will just suck it up and send their kids to Kenmore because....?? Not happening.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I bought a nice house in North Arlington and the school board said my kids couldnt go to the neighborhood schools but instead had to be bussed to go to school with the poors, I would be irate. Anyone who can afford a nice house in NA is not going to stand for having their children condemned to an substandard education. That was the whole reason they bought the house in the first place.
Yep. That's why I'll sell and take a loss before sending my children to Kenmore. My house will be bought by a speculator and become another bro rental, or another low cost rental to a big low SES family, and Kenmore will be none the better. Meanwhile my old home will be worth less and no one will be building any new builds there or nearby. Bye-bye tax base. I'll take my UMC income and give it to Fairfax County instead.
You and your kids are a dime a dozen. Nobody will miss you. A younger less frightened, more enlightened family will replace you. Can’t wait.
Yes, but who will pay the taxes to support the poors getting this education? I get many of the poors from South Arlington despise the North Arlington contingent. But the facts is, those NA whites in NA are carrying the poors in SA. And if the NA contingent leaves in large quantities, aArlington will be more woke, but also broke.
Anonymous
10/11/2017 22:19
Subject: APS middle school boundary process
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I bought a nice house in North Arlington and the school board said my kids couldnt go to the neighborhood schools but instead had to be bussed to go to school with the poors, I would be irate. Anyone who can afford a nice house in NA is not going to stand for having their children condemned to an substandard education. That was the whole reason they bought the house in the first place.
Yep. That's why I'll sell and take a loss before sending my children to Kenmore. My house will be bought by a speculator and become another bro rental, or another low cost rental to a big low SES family, and Kenmore will be none the better. Meanwhile my old home will be worth less and no one will be building any new builds there or nearby. Bye-bye tax base. I'll take my UMC income and give it to Fairfax County instead.
You and your kids are a dime a dozen. Nobody will miss you. A younger less frightened, more enlightened family will replace you. Can’t wait.
Yes, but who will pay the taxes to support the poors getting this education? I get many of the poors from South Arlington despise the North Arlington contingent. But the facts is, those NA whites in NA are carrying the poors in SA. And if the NA contingent leaves in large quantities, aArlington will be more woke, but also broke.
Anonymous
10/11/2017 22:11
Subject: APS middle school boundary process
Don't forget poorer.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I bought a nice house in North Arlington and the school board said my kids couldnt go to the neighborhood schools but instead had to be bussed to go to school with the poors, I would be irate. Anyone who can afford a nice house in NA is not going to stand for having their children condemned to an substandard education. That was the whole reason they bought the house in the first place.
Yep. That's why I'll sell and take a loss before sending my children to Kenmore. My house will be bought by a speculator and become another bro rental, or another low cost rental to a big low SES family, and Kenmore will be none the better. Meanwhile my old home will be worth less and no one will be building any new builds there or nearby. Bye-bye tax base. I'll take my UMC income and give it to Fairfax County instead.
You and your kids are a dime a dozen. Nobody will miss you. A younger less frightened, more enlightened family will replace you. Can’t wait.
Anonymous
10/11/2017 22:09
Subject: APS middle school boundary process
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I bought a nice house in North Arlington and the school board said my kids couldnt go to the neighborhood schools but instead had to be bussed to go to school with the poors, I would be irate. Anyone who can afford a nice house in NA is not going to stand for having their children condemned to an substandard education. That was the whole reason they bought the house in the first place.
Yep. That's why I'll sell and take a loss before sending my children to Kenmore. My house will be bought by a speculator and become another bro rental, or another low cost rental to a big low SES family, and Kenmore will be none the better. Meanwhile my old home will be worth less and no one will be building any new builds there or nearby. Bye-bye tax base. I'll take my UMC income and give it to Fairfax County instead.
You and your kids are a dime a dozen. Nobody will miss you. A younger less frightened, more enlightened family will replace you. Can’t wait.
Anonymous
10/11/2017 22:05
Subject: APS middle school boundary process
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I bought a nice house in North Arlington and the school board said my kids couldnt go to the neighborhood schools but instead had to be bussed to go to school with the poors, I would be irate. Anyone who can afford a nice house in NA is not going to stand for having their children condemned to an substandard education. That was the whole reason they bought the house in the first place.
I guess you and I disagree about what a substandard education is. I would have no problem sending my children to Kenmore (We are currently zoned to Swanson.) Moreover- I didn't buy my house for the North Arlington schools- I bought it for the metro access.
Which PU are you in? Let me guess... Not one that will be zoned to Kenmore. Please go ahead and volunteer to send your kids there. Transfer slots are available. You won't? Then shut it.
Anonymous
10/11/2017 22:02
Subject: APS middle school boundary process
Anonymous wrote:If I bought a nice house in North Arlington and the school board said my kids couldnt go to the neighborhood schools but instead had to be bussed to go to school with the poors, I would be irate. Anyone who can afford a nice house in NA is not going to stand for having their children condemned to an substandard education. That was the whole reason they bought the house in the first place.
I guess you and I disagree about what a substandard education is. I would have no problem sending my children to Kenmore (We are currently zoned to Swanson.) Moreover- I didn't buy my house for the North Arlington schools- I bought it for the metro access.
Anonymous
10/11/2017 21:58
Subject: APS middle school boundary process
Anonymous wrote:If I bought a nice house in North Arlington and the school board said my kids couldnt go to the neighborhood schools but instead had to be bussed to go to school with the poors, I would be irate. Anyone who can afford a nice house in NA is not going to stand for having their children condemned to an substandard education. That was the whole reason they bought the house in the first place.
Yep. That's why I'll sell and take a loss before sending my children to Kenmore. My house will be bought by a speculator and become another bro rental, or another low cost rental to a big low SES family, and Kenmore will be none the better. Meanwhile my old home will be worth less and no one will be building any new builds there or nearby. Bye-bye tax base. I'll take my UMC income and give it to Fairfax County instead.