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Anonymous wrote:Didn't this guy get suspended then he resigned. Obviously he did something wrong.

Not necessarily

Necessarily.

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/collin-county/2015/06/09/mckinney-officer-resigns-from-the-force/28760035/

"The actions of Eric Casebolt are indefensible," police Chief Greg Conley told reporters at a news conference late Tuesday afternoon, saying the officer was "out of control during the incident."

Administrative leave is not the same thing as being suspended.

Actually, I believe it is. More importantly, the officer clearly did something wrong and what he did was "indefensible" (despite the efforts of some posters here to defend them).

Your bias may be blinding you, Jeff.

Few if any posters here defended the suspended officer's overreaction. What many posters here (myself included) were trying to say is that 1) the overreaction had more to do with the teenager's individual behavior than with some general racism, and that 2) as a general rule, the best way to avoid police overreactions is to not act as a smart ass (and, not jump over fences and be part of a group trespassing property).

NP - is there any evidence that the girl he tackled was trespassing? Or that she had jumped over a fence?

Nope. But there is quite a lot of evidence that she was part of such a group (that, remember, has created enough chaos to send 12 cops over) and that she acted as a smart ass instead of just leaving the scene as requested.

Just to be clear, are you defending the officer's actions? You seem to be providing a justification.

Not the PP but I, personally, am defending his actions. He was called to the scene by residents in the community. He sees a mob of unruly kids who are not listening and mouthing off. And he acted accordingly. All you have is the video tape; it seems that residents there are telling quite a different story. Some being interviewed are saying that this isn't the first time they've had issues with some of these kids; that the have come before, been unruly, and even engaged in sexual activity in front of some of the youngsters in the community. You might be quick to dismiss these residents claims; I'm not. I feel that more will come out down the pike and the media will quietly slink away onto the next issue with nary a apology, and move onto the next incident. And there WILL be another. At this point, seeing how activists are always on scene in a heartbeat, I'm inclined to think there is more to this all than meets the eye.

And I would love anyone on here who cannot see this point, to have such a mob scene descend on your HOA private pool or swim club-I think your tunes would change...

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Anonymous wrote:I really appreciate the police officer and the chief of police stating unequivocally that the police officer's actions were wrong. I also appreciate the police officer apologizing.

I think we need to put the facts into perspective here.

There were 11 or 10 other officers who responded to the scene. The chief also said that those officers acted appropriately.

We are discussing the bad actions on ONE(1) officer, who apologized, and resigned, and whose chief appologized.

Let's not extrapolate one person's actions on one occasion to our entire nation of 320,000,000 people (give or take a few million).

Anonymous wrote:Easy to critique police after the fact. A thankless job becoming even more difficult in this day and age.

I think most of you would feel differently if one your kids ended up working in this profession. It only takes one mistake or slip up to end up dead, think about that before you spew your all knowing crap about how they should or should not act.

Anonymous wrote:Police officers should never escalate a situation from non-threatening to crazy and chaotic.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly don't understand why either of the adults feel the situation in TX would even be a concern of anyone in McLean.

It only matters to one of the adults because her daughter was disinvited from a party because of it.

And because the disinvitation was almost certainly in response to white parents at the Langley pool discussing how fortunate they are that black kids do not go there.

You know this happens for sure? Can you show me proof?

This is what the shunned girl's mom said above: "I got a WTF? text immediately from one of the mom's and a call from another mom who is also a member of the same club apologizing for Susie thinking something would happen at the club. She did say folks at the pool had been talking about the Texas incident..."

I just read between the lines.

Anonymous wrote:Easy to critique police after the fact. A thankless job becoming even more difficult in this day and age.

I think most of you would feel differently if one your kids ended up working in this profession. It only takes one mistake or slip up to end up dead, think about that before you spew your all knowing crap about how they should or should not act.

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Anonymous wrote:So if your child had a friend who was a minority, you would not invite that child to a party because there is "potential" trouble inviting that kid to a private pool? See...here is the issue. I do not see what trouble could arise other than some busybody making a comment. Which, if this is my child's friend, I will stand up and respond to. I do not care what color they are. What kind of example are you setting for your child? Keep quiet if one of your friends is treated unjustly? You may be able to live in peace, but your child is the one who is going to have to face her friend everyday in school. And these are just children! No way I would put my own child or her friend through that. Belonging to "the club" is just not that important to me (and I DO belong to a private pool that, thankfully, has a number of AA families).

This is where we part. I don't have a private pool. I don't belong to a private club. I live among many black people, not 'a number of AA families'. Where I stand, it's more important to keep your nose clean and avoid any blemish on your personal record the best way you can. We, the great unwashed, have to keep it real. We don't have lawyers on retainer to deal with potential civil suits from angry moms of allegedly mistreated kids.

I oversee a very diverse group of people at work. Racial conflict is not common, but it surfaces once in a while. Not once have I heard a substantiated claim from a black employee who complained about 'racism'. I have to deal with the fallout, because it's my job. But I want to spare my kid this insanity. Go ahead, judge and label me all you want; it is irrelevant to me. Because my child is a white male, it doesn't matter what he does or doesn't do. When push comes to shove, he will be deemed the root of all evil by default. I have to teach my child to stay away for his own sake. I have seen too many lives practically ruined over false allegations. My child deserves better.

White males, apparently the most oppressed group on earth. I've said it before, but DCUM truly has become the Onion.

Jeff, if you know the previous PP is a troll, please tell us.

If you don't, I'd say your response above is inappropriate and racist. PP's opinion is as valid as everyone else's, and to have DCUM's God himself descend from the skies to make an unwarranted attack resembles bullying. IMO of course.

My response is inappropriate and racist? You are taking the "DCUM has become the Onion" suggestion a little too seriously. Did you bother to read the post? It was insulting to previous posters, full of denial of the impact of racism, and concluded by claiming that society considers white males the "root of all evil". My response was, if anything, restrained.

The incident involving the swimming pool -- if it happened as reported here -- is about as clearcut case of racism that you are going to see these days. "You can't come because you are black" is about as basic as you can get. Responding to that with a tale of racial discrimination complaints never being true and white males being unfairly considered evil is pretty ridiculous Of course, it's her opinion and she is welcome to express it. But, I don't have to be silent about it.

I am the PP and not a troll

I wouldn't call your response racist, but it is a typical 'Jeff' reaction. Jeff has little to counter and resorts to humor. I don't mind. As I said, this is irrelevant. I, however, am curious as to what in my message exactly points to:

1. Insult of previous posters;
2. Anything regarding the impact of racism.

Today's society does consider white males the root of all evil. (I can phrase it differently, I guess, but I'm too tired to bicker about semantics.) My kid, like every white male in the country, is better off not touching race with a six-foot pole. This may be news in McLean, but the rest of us have been informed accordingly.

What was insulting to previous posters was your entire first paragraph:

This is where we part. I don't have a private pool. I don't belong to a private club. I live among many black people, not 'a number of AA families'. Where I stand, it's more important to keep your nose clean and avoid any blemish on your personal record the best way you can. We, the great unwashed, have to keep it real. We don't have lawyers on retainer to deal with potential civil suits from angry moms of allegedly mistreated kids.

You seem to be saying that it is reasonable and understandable to disinvite someone based on her color because if she became a victim of real or imagined mistreatment, she would be apt to sue you. You are viewing black children as little more than potential legal liabilities. You also appear to suggest that because the mom in this instance is a person of reasonable means, she likely has legal help lined up to pursue "alleged" mistreatment. So, while the children are potential liabilities, the parents are potential legal threats. Do you believe that the previous poster would not find such suggestions insulting?

Your second paragraph discusses the impact of racism:

I oversee a very diverse group of people at work. Racial conflict is not common, but it surfaces once in a while. Not once have I heard a substantiated claim from a black employee who complained about 'racism'. I have to deal with the fallout, because it's my job. But I want to spare my kid this insanity. Go ahead, judge and label me all you want; it is irrelevant to me. Because my child is a white male, it doesn't matter what he does or doesn't do. When push comes to shove, he will be deemed the root of all evil by default. I have to teach my child to stay away for his own sake. I have seen too many lives practically ruined over false allegations. My child deserves better.

According to you, you have never heard of a claim of racism by an employee that was substantiated, suggesting that all such claims are frivolous. Moreover, you are left to "deal with the fallout" of these frivolous allegations. You conclude that white males are seen as the "root of all evil" and are not given fair defenses when facing racial allegations. So, the impact of racism, as you see it, is false accusations, more work for you, and a host of wrongly-convicted white males. Though, in your defense, you might not consider this to be the "impact of racism" because you don't seem to acknowledge the existence of racism in these instances because it is all fabricated.

When your white male son is routinely followed through department stores, is reported to the police because he is walking down the street, can't catch a taxi cab, is shot on sight while holding a toy gun, or is disinvited from a swimming party because of his race, then maybe we can discuss how society views white males.

Anonymous wrote:I really appreciate the police officer and the chief of police stating unequivocally that the police officer's actions were wrong. I also appreciate the police officer apologizing.

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Anonymous wrote:I honestly don't understand why either of the adults feel the situation in TX would even be a concern of anyone in McLean.

It only matters to one of the adults because her daughter was disinvited from a party because of it.

And because the disinvitation was almost certainly in response to white parents at the Langley pool discussing how fortunate they are that black kids do not go there.

You know this happens for sure? Can you show me proof?