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Your concern for other’s kids being on the bus for too long has always been just a really absurd argument. Families would get to decide whether they want that bus ride or not. The kids on buses argument when families have decided on house and school has never been compelling.

Tell us where you live without telling us where you live.

How are families getting to decide? THRU is proposing sending more kids in the KAA area on long bus rides. They purchased their houses knowing they were very close to their school and now FCPS is suggesting very long bus rides.

Your concern for other’s kids being on the bus for too long has always been just a really absurd argument. Families would get to decide whether they want that bus ride or not. The kids on buses argument when families have decided on house and school has never been compelling.

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I just do not understand what makes your “wants” into the collective’s “needs”. Sure one way to alleviate overcrowding is with a traditional high school. Another way to alleviate overcrowding is with a magnet or a split magnet/traditional. You can’t just pretend that the traditional alleviates overcrowding in the area and that the other options would do nothing to alleviate crowding, though of course that depends on the actual details.

How is a magnet going to guarantee alleviation of overcrowding? Please explain. Chantilly is 500 students (maybe more) over capacity. You think a magnet is going to solve that?
Westfield is at 2700 and growing. A magnet is not going to solve that.
Centreville is overcrowded--it's hard to determine how much as they have a modular and trailers.

The bus cost thing is a red herring. I’m just not seeing how adding a bus or two results in significant additional costs. It’s a drop in the bucket compared to some other costs for the school system. You seem to be fine with a rushed $150 million purchase then complain about how we can’t add a couple hundred thousand dollars in bus routes (if that even) to the budget. It’s like rushing to buy a Lamborghini and then complain about the cost of a gas change for it.

We are talking way over 500 students--really much closer to 1000. You think a "bus or two" is going to solve that?
And, yes, a "bus or two" might be a couple of hundred thousand dollars per year. But, we are talking about a lot more than a bus or two. I would guess that for more than 500 students that would mean 20 buses --at more than $100K/ bus. Add to that, the fuel costs and the need for more bus drivers and their pay (when we already are short bus driver).

But, most important, you have no problem with having hundreds and hundreds of more students on buses for more than an hour and a half per day.
Does that not fall into your considerations at all?

How about you address all the money our School Board is spending on staff that could not even present a proposal for how to make this into a traditional school or a magnet?

If FCPS can give up the amount of $$ spent on this school to fight a losing legal battle, they can make this into a traditional school

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I just do not understand what makes your “wants” into the collective’s “needs”. Sure one way to alleviate overcrowding is with a traditional high school. Another way to alleviate overcrowding is with a magnet or a split magnet/traditional. You can’t just pretend that the traditional alleviates overcrowding in the area and that the other options would do nothing to alleviate crowding, though of course that depends on the actual details.

How is a magnet going to guarantee alleviation of overcrowding? Please explain. Chantilly is 500 students (maybe more) over capacity. You think a magnet is going to solve that?
Westfield is at 2700 and growing. A magnet is not going to solve that.
Centreville is overcrowded--it's hard to determine how much as they have a modular and trailers.

The bus cost thing is a red herring. I’m just not seeing how adding a bus or two results in significant additional costs. It’s a drop in the bucket compared to some other costs for the school system. You seem to be fine with a rushed $150 million purchase then complain about how we can’t add a couple hundred thousand dollars in bus routes (if that even) to the budget. It’s like rushing to buy a Lamborghini and then complain about the cost of a gas change for it.

We are talking way over 500 students--really much closer to 1000. You think a "bus or two" is going to solve that?
And, yes, a "bus or two" might be a couple of hundred thousand dollars per year. But, we are talking about a lot more than a bus or two. I would guess that for more than 500 students that would mean 20 buses --at more than $100K/ bus. Add to that, the fuel costs and the need for more bus drivers and their pay (when we already are short bus driver).

But, most important, you have no problem with having hundreds and hundreds of more students on buses for more than an hour and a half per day.
Does that not fall into your considerations at all?

How about you address all the money our School Board is spending on staff that could not even present a proposal for how to make this into a traditional school or a magnet?

If FCPS can give up the amount of $$ spent on this school to fight a losing legal battle, they can make this into a traditional school

I just do not understand what makes your “wants” into the collective’s “needs”. Sure one way to alleviate overcrowding is with a traditional high school. Another way to alleviate overcrowding is with a magnet or a split magnet/traditional. You can’t just pretend that the traditional alleviates overcrowding in the area and that the other options would do nothing to alleviate crowding, though of course that depends on the actual details.

The bus cost thing is a red herring. I’m just not seeing how adding a bus or two results in significant additional costs. It’s a drop in the bucket compared to some other costs for the school system. You seem to be fine with a rushed $150 million purchase then complain about how we can’t add a couple hundred thousand dollars in bus routes (if that even) to the budget. It’s like rushing to buy a Lamborghini and then complain about the cost of a gas change for it.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that they will start it as a regular high school, but add an Aviation or Aerospace-focused Academy as part of the school. They will spend 2-3 years renovating one of the extra buildings to bring in specialized equipment/labs for the academy. That will also give them time to hire the right people.

Here's the academic sequence for students at Raisbeck Aviation HS near Seattle. The school has slightly over 400 students, so it is feasible to have such a program in a building that's built for fewer students than a typical FCPS high school.

https://rahs.highlineschools.org/academics/course-offerings

No.

Not possible.

They didn't follow the proper processes to do this.

The money they spent was money allocated for a new general high school to ease overcrowding through the normal bond process.

It was NOT allocated for a magnet school available to only a few students.

FCPS is cutting money right and left from other students. Most teachers are teaching classes of 30-35 students per year. Many high school teachers have a student load well in excess of 150-180 students per teacher.

If they want a magnet school, then go through the normal bond process.

Do not steal money from the rest of the county meant to relieve overcrowding to fund a vanity project with possible kickbacks or benefits to school board members working in that industry.

I don’t feel strongly about this school, but you mislead when you say they bought it with money allocated to overcrowding. They haven’t disclosed anything about where the money came from.

You can argue why you think the school should be a traditional one, but you hurt your credibility with the argument above.

Money to buy land and build a western HS to address overcrowding has been in the CIP for over a decade. You keep arguing that only the land portion was "funded," but regardless all of it was planned to happen. There was never any such plan to spend money on a magnet. That never made it into any bond proposals. It was never voted on.

I don’t “keep arguing” about anything, since I haven’t previously weighted in on this. The disclosure in the last bond was that they would spend money (13.5 million I believe) for acquisition of a school site. So, if you want to argue semantics, they were 136 million above what the bond discussed. However, they have wiggle room in how their bond funds are used.

What I hear you arguing is that the CIP has contemplated a future western high school, but so what? That’s not a document that binds the school system in any way whatsoever.

I also think you keep glossing over an inconvenient fact, which is that a magnet school would alleviate overcrowding in the area, just not the particular way that you want it alleviated.

Again, I don’t feel strongly about how this school is used, and I think both the traditionalists and the magnets have compelling arguments, but your argument about disclosures in bond documents is not one.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is that they will start it as a regular high school, but add an Aviation or Aerospace-focused Academy as part of the school. They will spend 2-3 years renovating one of the extra buildings to bring in specialized equipment/labs for the academy. That will also give them time to hire the right people.

Here's the academic sequence for students at Raisbeck Aviation HS near Seattle. The school has slightly over 400 students, so it is feasible to have such a program in a building that's built for fewer students than a typical FCPS high school.

https://rahs.highlineschools.org/academics/course-offerings

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is that they will start it as a regular high school, but add an Aviation or Aerospace-focused Academy as part of the school. They will spend 2-3 years renovating one of the extra buildings to bring in specialized equipment/labs for the academy. That will also give them time to hire the right people.

Here's the academic sequence for students at Raisbeck Aviation HS near Seattle. The school has slightly over 400 students, so it is feasible to have such a program in a building that's built for fewer students than a typical FCPS high school.

https://rahs.highlineschools.org/academics/course-offerings

No.

Not possible.

They didn't follow the proper processes to do this.

The money they spent was money allocated for a new general high school to ease overcrowding through the normal bond process.

It was NOT allocated for a magnet school available to only a few students.

FCPS is cutting money right and left from other students. Most teachers are teaching classes of 30-35 students per year. Many high school teachers have a student load well in excess of 150-180 students per teacher.

If they want a magnet school, then go through the normal bond process.

Do not steal money from the rest of the county meant to relieve overcrowding to fund a vanity project with possible kickbacks or benefits to school board members working in that industry.

I don’t feel strongly about this school, but you mislead when you say they bought it with money allocated to overcrowding. They haven’t disclosed anything about where the money came from.

You can argue why you think the school should be a traditional one, but you hurt your credibility with the argument above.

Money to buy land and build a western HS to address overcrowding has been in the CIP for over a decade. You keep arguing that only the land portion was "funded," but regardless all of it was planned to happen. There was never any such plan to spend money on a magnet. That never made it into any bond proposals. It was never voted on.

I don’t “keep arguing” about anything, since I haven’t previously weighted in on this. The disclosure in the last bond was that they would spend money (13.5 million I believe) for acquisition of a school site. So, if you want to argue semantics, they were 136 million above what the bond discussed. However, they have wiggle room in how their bond funds are used.

What I hear you arguing is that the CIP has contemplated a future western high school, but so what? That’s not a document that binds the school system in any way whatsoever.

I also think you keep glossing over an inconvenient fact, which is that a magnet school would alleviate overcrowding in the area, just not the particular way that you want it alleviated.

Again, I don’t feel strongly about how this school is used, and I think both the traditionalists and the magnets have compelling arguments, but your argument about disclosures in bond documents is not one.

The school system exists to educate the students. I would assume this includes providing spaces for education to occur.
Chantilly has 3000 students and new construction in its boundaries.
Westfield has 2700 and lots of new construction in its boundaries.
Centreville has around 2400 with modulars and trailers, I think?

There are plans to expand Centreville to 3000. They do not even yet have the permits to build.

The need is now. This new school can alleviate the overcrowding--and, hopefully, solve it. It may not be a large school, but it can be made to work.

If not, you are going to have to bus a lot more kids cross county--and we need a lot more buses and bus drivers. We are already short on both. And, buses and bus drivers also cost money.
And, you will be busing kids who likely will not be able to participate in extra-curricular activities because of the distance. More students spending an hour and a half or so on a school bus-rather than doing homework or participating in activities at their school.

I just do not understand why people cannot understand the difference between want and need.

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing that makes sense is second TJ. Specializing in an industry is ridiculous. Would they really do something so bizarre? I live basically next door to this school and have a 9th grader next year. I’d like it to be a TJ- I didn’t send any of my kids to TJ due to the insane commute. This would pull from all local HS easing enrollment more uniformly. As a regular high school it’s pretty small.

I don't think there's any reason to believe the state would approve a second STEM-oriented regional Governor's School in the same county. Another "TJ-like" Governor's School would likely be approved in Loudoun first.

APS sends some students to TJ and APS also has “Arlington Tech” which is an STEM option school (academic, not vocational). Arlington Tech is not a Governor’s School. The two schools are slightly different educational paths, both STEM, and both are good. Having both creates more seats and more options for STEM-oriented students. LCPS already has a similar option program to this.

Not advocating, but FCPS has the power to make the new HS a STEM school *without it being a Governor’s School*, following Arlington Tech as an example. If they focused on Aviation-related topics and Physics, but downplayed Chem/Bio, they would get more engineering oriented students (and would have fewer pre-Med students crowding out the would-be engineers and scientists; one of TJ’s secrets is that a lot of students are not really interested in STEM — only are interested in pre-Med/pre-Dental).

Arlington Tech is indeed a Governor's STEM Academy:

https://arlingtontech.apsva.us/about-arlington-tech/

SO IS THE CHANTILLY STEM ACADAMY

I think the PP is implying that the Arlington STEM academy is an actual full-time magnet school. The APS STEM school campus itself is regional in that it serves both Arlington and Falls Church City.

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing that makes sense is second TJ. Specializing in an industry is ridiculous. Would they really do something so bizarre? I live basically next door to this school and have a 9th grader next year. I’d like it to be a TJ- I didn’t send any of my kids to TJ due to the insane commute. This would pull from all local HS easing enrollment more uniformly. As a regular high school it’s pretty small.

I don't think there's any reason to believe the state would approve a second STEM-oriented regional Governor's School in the same county. Another "TJ-like" Governor's School would likely be approved in Loudoun first.

APS sends some students to TJ and APS also has “Arlington Tech” which is an STEM option school (academic, not vocational). Arlington Tech is not a Governor’s School. The two schools are slightly different educational paths, both STEM, and both are good. Having both creates more seats and more options for STEM-oriented students. LCPS already has a similar option program to this.

Not advocating, but FCPS has the power to make the new HS a STEM school *without it being a Governor’s School*, following Arlington Tech as an example. If they focused on Aviation-related topics and Physics, but downplayed Chem/Bio, they would get more engineering oriented students (and would have fewer pre-Med students crowding out the would-be engineers and scientists; one of TJ’s secrets is that a lot of students are not really interested in STEM — only are interested in pre-Med/pre-Dental).

Arlington Tech is indeed a Governor's STEM Academy:

https://arlingtontech.apsva.us/about-arlington-tech/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is that they will start it as a regular high school, but add an Aviation or Aerospace-focused Academy as part of the school. They will spend 2-3 years renovating one of the extra buildings to bring in specialized equipment/labs for the academy. That will also give them time to hire the right people.

Here's the academic sequence for students at Raisbeck Aviation HS near Seattle. The school has slightly over 400 students, so it is feasible to have such a program in a building that's built for fewer students than a typical FCPS high school.

https://rahs.highlineschools.org/academics/course-offerings

No.

Not possible.

They didn't follow the proper processes to do this.

The money they spent was money allocated for a new general high school to ease overcrowding through the normal bond process.

It was NOT allocated for a magnet school available to only a few students.

FCPS is cutting money right and left from other students. Most teachers are teaching classes of 30-35 students per year. Many high school teachers have a student load well in excess of 150-180 students per teacher.

If they want a magnet school, then go through the normal bond process.

Do not steal money from the rest of the county meant to relieve overcrowding to fund a vanity project with possible kickbacks or benefits to school board members working in that industry.

I don’t feel strongly about this school, but you mislead when you say they bought it with money allocated to overcrowding. They haven’t disclosed anything about where the money came from.

You can argue why you think the school should be a traditional one, but you hurt your credibility with the argument above.

Money to buy land and build a western HS to address overcrowding has been in the CIP for over a decade. You keep arguing that only the land portion was "funded," but regardless all of it was planned to happen. There was never any such plan to spend money on a magnet. That never made it into any bond proposals. It was never voted on.

I don’t “keep arguing” about anything, since I haven’t previously weighted in on this. The disclosure in the last bond was that they would spend money (13.5 million I believe) for acquisition of a school site. So, if you want to argue semantics, they were 136 million above what the bond discussed. However, they have wiggle room in how their bond funds are used.

What I hear you arguing is that the CIP has contemplated a future western high school, but so what? That’s not a document that binds the school system in any way whatsoever.

I also think you keep glossing over an inconvenient fact, which is that a magnet school would alleviate overcrowding in the area, just not the particular way that you want it alleviated.

Again, I don’t feel strongly about how this school is used, and I think both the traditionalists and the magnets have compelling arguments, but your argument about disclosures in bond documents is not one.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is that they will start it as a regular high school, but add an Aviation or Aerospace-focused Academy as part of the school. They will spend 2-3 years renovating one of the extra buildings to bring in specialized equipment/labs for the academy. That will also give them time to hire the right people.

Here's the academic sequence for students at Raisbeck Aviation HS near Seattle. The school has slightly over 400 students, so it is feasible to have such a program in a building that's built for fewer students than a typical FCPS high school.

https://rahs.highlineschools.org/academics/course-offerings

No.

Not possible.

They didn't follow the proper processes to do this.

The money they spent was money allocated for a new general high school to ease overcrowding through the normal bond process.

It was NOT allocated for a magnet school available to only a few students.

FCPS is cutting money right and left from other students. Most teachers are teaching classes of 30-35 students per year. Many high school teachers have a student load well in excess of 150-180 students per teacher.

If they want a magnet school, then go through the normal bond process.

Do not steal money from the rest of the county meant to relieve overcrowding to fund a vanity project with possible kickbacks or benefits to school board members working in that industry.

I don’t feel strongly about this school, but you mislead when you say they bought it with money allocated to overcrowding. They haven’t disclosed anything about where the money came from.

You can argue why you think the school should be a traditional one, but you hurt your credibility with the argument above.

Money to buy land and build a western HS to address overcrowding has been in the CIP for over a decade. You keep arguing that only the land portion was "funded," but regardless all of it was planned to happen. There was never any such plan to spend money on a magnet. That never made it into any bond proposals. It was never voted on.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is that they will start it as a regular high school, but add an Aviation or Aerospace-focused Academy as part of the school. They will spend 2-3 years renovating one of the extra buildings to bring in specialized equipment/labs for the academy. That will also give them time to hire the right people.

Here's the academic sequence for students at Raisbeck Aviation HS near Seattle. The school has slightly over 400 students, so it is feasible to have such a program in a building that's built for fewer students than a typical FCPS high school.

https://rahs.highlineschools.org/academics/course-offerings

No.

Not possible.

They didn't follow the proper processes to do this.

The money they spent was money allocated for a new general high school to ease overcrowding through the normal bond process.

It was NOT allocated for a magnet school available to only a few students.

FCPS is cutting money right and left from other students. Most teachers are teaching classes of 30-35 students per year. Many high school teachers have a student load well in excess of 150-180 students per teacher.

If they want a magnet school, then go through the normal bond process.

Do not steal money from the rest of the county meant to relieve overcrowding to fund a vanity project with possible kickbacks or benefits to school board members working in that industry.

I don’t feel strongly about this school, but you mislead when you say they bought it with money allocated to overcrowding. They haven’t disclosed anything about where the money came from.

You can argue why you think the school should be a traditional one, but you hurt your credibility with the argument above.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only thing that makes sense is second TJ. Specializing in an industry is ridiculous. Would they really do something so bizarre? I live basically next door to this school and have a 9th grader next year. I’d like it to be a TJ- I didn’t send any of my kids to TJ due to the insane commute. This would pull from all local HS easing enrollment more uniformly. As a regular high school it’s pretty small.

I don't think there's any reason to believe the state would approve a second STEM-oriented regional Governor's School in the same county. Another "TJ-like" Governor's School would likely be approved in Loudoun first.

APS sends some students to TJ and APS also has “Arlington Tech” which is an STEM option school (academic, not vocational). Arlington Tech is not a Governor’s School. The two schools are slightly different educational paths, both STEM, and both are good. Having both creates more seats and more options for STEM-oriented students. LCPS already has a similar option program to this.

Not advocating, but FCPS has the power to make the new HS a STEM school *without it being a Governor’s School*, following Arlington Tech as an example. If they focused on Aviation-related topics and Physics, but downplayed Chem/Bio, they would get more engineering oriented students (and would have fewer pre-Med students crowding out the would-be engineers and scientists; one of TJ’s secrets is that a lot of students are not really interested in STEM — only are interested in pre-Med/pre-Dental).

Arlington Tech is indeed a Governor's STEM Academy:

https://arlingtontech.apsva.us/about-arlington-tech/

SO IS THE CHANTILLY STEM ACADAMY

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My guess is that they will start it as a regular high school, but add an Aviation or Aerospace-focused Academy as part of the school. They will spend 2-3 years renovating one of the extra buildings to bring in specialized equipment/labs for the academy. That will also give them time to hire the right people.

Here's the academic sequence for students at Raisbeck Aviation HS near Seattle. The school has slightly over 400 students, so it is feasible to have such a program in a building that's built for fewer students than a typical FCPS high school.

https://rahs.highlineschools.org/academics/course-offerings

No.

Not possible.

They didn't follow the proper processes to do this.

The money they spent was money allocated for a new general high school to ease overcrowding through the normal bond process.

It was NOT allocated for a magnet school available to only a few students.

FCPS is cutting money right and left from other students. Most teachers are teaching classes of 30-35 students per year. Many high school teachers have a student load well in excess of 150-180 students per teacher.

If they want a magnet school, then go through the normal bond process.

Do not steal money from the rest of the county meant to relieve overcrowding to fund a vanity project with possible kickbacks or benefits to school board members working in that industry.