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Anonymous wrote:Regarding kids who don't speak English getting special consideration: last time I looked, most schools were taught in English. So if the kid doesn't speak English well by K, they will be behind, no matter how brilliant they might be in their native language. These kids will have lots of catching up to do so I don't think G&T would be the right place for them. Parents planning to raise their kids in America should immerse their kids in English. Have them sit and watch Sesame Street or something similar all day. Have them listen to Clyde Frazier call Knicks games. Cab drivers listen to the radio all day to learn English.

Kindergarten G&T is dumb. My kids took the test. They actually did really well on them. We are zoned for a great public and thought it was better than G&T. But unlike so many other parents whose kids do well on the test, I did not see this as proof that my snowflake was brilliant. My child also bombed the Hunter test.

I'm not sure what the right answer is. I really don't like Mamdani but don't totally disagree with him on this, though I think that getting rid of G&T should be a low priority for him and he should have just dodged the question as he dodges so many others.

These activists getting so upset about this because they think they are so smart are just showing how dumb they are, but most of them proved that long ago.

You are very wrong.

I am an immigrant, and my kids did not speak English well until they started K. They caught up super fast. Same story with many of my friends. In fact, I haven’t met a single normally developing child who was really bright in their native language and couldn’t quickly catch up to the same level in English. It’s NBD.

What is really hard, though, is keeping up the native language once the kid gets immersed in English, so it helps to get a good head start there, that’s why I did not emphasize English with my kids until they started school. As to the benefits of being bilingual, you are welcome to do your own research.

And they were likely behind socializing. Which is a huge part of what kindergarten is about. And they are less proficient in idioms, cultural references, etc. You are exactly the know-it-all immigrant the other poster was referring to above - your metrics for "succeeding" are very different than those of many native born Americans. But you are so convinced that you are right and the rules of your community are right, rather than stopping to look around.

Fluently speaking a second language is a very nice to have, but not a need to have. Native fluency in the language of where you live is more important. And again, I think we have different definitions of "native fluency."

Yea. If that poster’s five year old doesn’t listen to Taylor swift talk about Kelce’s junk inside of her then they missed out on socialization and cultural references. Good ole American values

I am just talking about knowing who Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce are. Way to oversimplify things. Further proving my point. You live your best life. I'll live mine. Then you will complain about your kid not getting into top schools because they didn't do well in interviews and essays and complain that it's not a meritocracy.

My sons went to MIT and Princeton and have had promising starts to their careers. I’m “FOTB” as another poster calls foreigners.

I’ve lost track of this issue but I seriously hope people are not stupid enough to vote against someone who is overwhelmingly a candidate who wants to work for people other than the billionaire class over a stupid gifted and talented school issue, especially for testing of 3/4 year olds. Seriously. Get a hold of yourselves. There are lots of good Gen Ed elementary schools. Use a friends address if you need to and move on.

Not PP: I've voted on G&T alone before. Everyone has specific issues that are important to them and are free to vote as they please. I'm sure you have based decisions to vote on issues that I think are asinine. G&T isn't a stupid issue, especially when you have a child reading at 3.5 yo. And yes, kids can be, and are already, being tested at that age in NYC.

Yes, I’m aware. I had multiple kids go through the NYC school system. You do not need to test at that age. Get over it. There are plenty of good gen Ed’s. Supplement if you need to (and I found most FOB did- fine by me) and be prepared for other kids to quickly catch up to your ‘gifted’ 3 year old.

Nah to each their own. Too many pregnant 12 year olds with felon dropout baby daddys in the gen ed schools. Lots of 48 year old great great grandmothers (more common than not)

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Anonymous wrote:I think there are several people arguing both sides here so people are talking past each other. And a new, truly nasty, racist person has entered the conversation and really made it deteriorate. I think we can all agree on that.

The crux of the issue is Chinese, Russian, and other American subgroups don’t want to go to elementary schools that are predominantly Hispanic or black. That’s the reality whether others want to tiptoe around it. Notice the counter argument is “go to Ps6” which is on the UES, is 63 percent white and 16 percent Asian. Other posters are demanding successful outerborough families make decisions they’d never make themselves.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but if a kid is in a predominantly Russian or Chinese or whatever else neighborhood, the zoned public school will likely be a majority people from that group? So can't they kind of do a coup and demand excellence. I know it is far from as easy as I make it sound, particularly with the nightmarish bureaucracy of the DOE, but it is worth a shot and just as likely to succeed as resting ones hopes on "G&T". Just because something is labeled G&T and has some increasingly arbitrary test doesn't make it great.

School boundaries and ethnic community boundaries are too porous and and don’t overlap either. How much interaction is there between the Orthodox and black residents of Crown Heights? Geographic proximity does not equate to social proximity ant all. Ditto residents of 96th st east and 100th st east, they’re only four blocks away but they have zero meaningful contact other than Nannys or janitors on the UES

Again, by focusing on tests and G&T being ended, you’re simply demanding outerborough ethnics go to schools with blacks and Hispanics in a misguided belief it’d help the their performance. There’s nothing more to your policy preference no matter how it is spun

Not true at all. I live on the UWS. Zones are tiny so are fairly contiguous communities. Even each of the very top UWS gen ed schools has a smattering of NYCHA or whatever else. But when they were redrawing the lines about six years ago the families at 199 (which is mainly Lincoln Towers) were getting split and combined with a large NYCHA complex so they fought hard to make sure the lines for their homes were drawn favorably (i.e. not including NYCHA).

If a school is 75% one ethnic group then that group can influence how things are run. Personally, I would put my hopes more on this than on my 3 year old succeeding on a useless test.

I think G&T is a decent idea for older kids. But starting in K is silly. And the obsessiveness about it among people is mischanneled energy. It really isn't that great. My kid got in to G&T about 8 years ago. We were underwhelmed. They done incredibly well without it. Kind of like how people obsess over Stuy. Plenty of other great options and your child can have a much happier four years of high school. We know tons of kids at Bronx Science and there is a cohort there whose parents see them as epic failures for not getting into Stuy. WTF?

It doesn’t have to be great, G&T just has to be better than the local alternative. Sure, Bronx Science is fine as far as public high schools go.

Very few schools are 75+ percent one ethnic group. Within white and Asian and black and Hispanic are so many sub groups that compete and argue.

Thanks for being an uptown educated white from Manhattan telling an outer borough minority how to run our affairs. I’m sure your experience among octogenarians spending 100+ dollars at Zabars lunches applies to middle class Brooklyn residents.

And thank you outer borough person telling me how to run my affairs. I am living here because I have successfully navigated the system. My family started out where you are. We kept our mouths shut, worked really hard, figured out how the system works (rather than how we wanted it to work) and through a few generations worked our way up. I'm still not rich but I'm comfortable. I'm just trying to provide some constructive suggestions but the usual know-it-all attitude and slander doesn't help.

And by saying "Bronx Science is fine" shows how warped your perspective is. It is one of the best high schools in the world. It is spectacular (I do not have a child there though we strongly considered it). Brainwashing your child to think Stuy or bust is horrible parenting. I am all for setting ambitious goals but that is setting your child up for failure. And I know countless schools who score well enough for Stuy but don't want it because they don't want to be surrounded by those types (and no, this is not a racist comment - I know many Asian families who feel this way).

The lack of emotional intelligence, self-awareness and worldliness demonstrated here is astonishing. Or perhaps it is to be expected. Who knows. I'm out. Best of luck to you.

Do I understand you correctly that you are comparing the achievement of multiple generations of your family with the situation of someone who is a first generation immigrant? Despite my cultural illiteracy, I know the meaning of being born on the third base.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there are several people arguing both sides here so people are talking past each other. And a new, truly nasty, racist person has entered the conversation and really made it deteriorate. I think we can all agree on that.

The crux of the issue is Chinese, Russian, and other American subgroups don’t want to go to elementary schools that are predominantly Hispanic or black. That’s the reality whether others want to tiptoe around it. Notice the counter argument is “go to Ps6” which is on the UES, is 63 percent white and 16 percent Asian. Other posters are demanding successful outerborough families make decisions they’d never make themselves.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but if a kid is in a predominantly Russian or Chinese or whatever else neighborhood, the zoned public school will likely be a majority people from that group? So can't they kind of do a coup and demand excellence. I know it is far from as easy as I make it sound, particularly with the nightmarish bureaucracy of the DOE, but it is worth a shot and just as likely to succeed as resting ones hopes on "G&T". Just because something is labeled G&T and has some increasingly arbitrary test doesn't make it great.

School boundaries and ethnic community boundaries are too porous and and don’t overlap either. How much interaction is there between the Orthodox and black residents of Crown Heights? Geographic proximity does not equate to social proximity ant all. Ditto residents of 96th st east and 100th st east, they’re only four blocks away but they have zero meaningful contact other than Nannys or janitors on the UES

Again, by focusing on tests and G&T being ended, you’re simply demanding outerborough ethnics go to schools with blacks and Hispanics in a misguided belief it’d help the their performance. There’s nothing more to your policy preference no matter how it is spun

Not true at all. I live on the UWS. Zones are tiny so are fairly contiguous communities. Even each of the very top UWS gen ed schools has a smattering of NYCHA or whatever else. But when they were redrawing the lines about six years ago the families at 199 (which is mainly Lincoln Towers) were getting split and combined with a large NYCHA complex so they fought hard to make sure the lines for their homes were drawn favorably (i.e. not including NYCHA).

If a school is 75% one ethnic group then that group can influence how things are run. Personally, I would put my hopes more on this than on my 3 year old succeeding on a useless test.

I think G&T is a decent idea for older kids. But starting in K is silly. And the obsessiveness about it among people is mischanneled energy. It really isn't that great. My kid got in to G&T about 8 years ago. We were underwhelmed. They done incredibly well without it. Kind of like how people obsess over Stuy. Plenty of other great options and your child can have a much happier four years of high school. We know tons of kids at Bronx Science and there is a cohort there whose parents see them as epic failures for not getting into Stuy. WTF?

It doesn’t have to be great, G&T just has to be better than the local alternative. Sure, Bronx Science is fine as far as public high schools go.

Very few schools are 75+ percent one ethnic group. Within white and Asian and black and Hispanic are so many sub groups that compete and argue.

Thanks for being an uptown educated white from Manhattan telling an outer borough minority how to run our affairs. I’m sure your experience among octogenarians spending 100+ dollars at Zabars lunches applies to middle class Brooklyn residents.

And thank you outer borough person telling me how to run my affairs. I am living here because I have successfully navigated the system. My family started out where you are. We kept our mouths shut, worked really hard, figured out how the system works (rather than how we wanted it to work) and through a few generations worked our way up. I'm still not rich but I'm comfortable. I'm just trying to provide some constructive suggestions but the usual know-it-all attitude and slander doesn't help.

And by saying "Bronx Science is fine" shows how warped your perspective is. It is one of the best high schools in the world. It is spectacular (I do not have a child there though we strongly considered it). Brainwashing your child to think Stuy or bust is horrible parenting. I am all for setting ambitious goals but that is setting your child up for failure. And I know countless schools who score well enough for Stuy but don't want it because they don't want to be surrounded by those types (and no, this is not a racist comment - I know many Asian families who feel this way).

The lack of emotional intelligence, self-awareness and worldliness demonstrated here is astonishing. Or perhaps it is to be expected. Who knows. I'm out. Best of luck to you.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there are several people arguing both sides here so people are talking past each other. And a new, truly nasty, racist person has entered the conversation and really made it deteriorate. I think we can all agree on that.

The crux of the issue is Chinese, Russian, and other American subgroups don’t want to go to elementary schools that are predominantly Hispanic or black. That’s the reality whether others want to tiptoe around it. Notice the counter argument is “go to Ps6” which is on the UES, is 63 percent white and 16 percent Asian. Other posters are demanding successful outerborough families make decisions they’d never make themselves.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but if a kid is in a predominantly Russian or Chinese or whatever else neighborhood, the zoned public school will likely be a majority people from that group? So can't they kind of do a coup and demand excellence. I know it is far from as easy as I make it sound, particularly with the nightmarish bureaucracy of the DOE, but it is worth a shot and just as likely to succeed as resting ones hopes on "G&T". Just because something is labeled G&T and has some increasingly arbitrary test doesn't make it great.

School boundaries and ethnic community boundaries are too porous and and don’t overlap either. How much interaction is there between the Orthodox and black residents of Crown Heights? Geographic proximity does not equate to social proximity ant all. Ditto residents of 96th st east and 100th st east, they’re only four blocks away but they have zero meaningful contact other than Nannys or janitors on the UES

Again, by focusing on tests and G&T being ended, you’re simply demanding outerborough ethnics go to schools with blacks and Hispanics in a misguided belief it’d help the their performance. There’s nothing more to your policy preference no matter how it is spun

Not true at all. I live on the UWS. Zones are tiny so are fairly contiguous communities. Even each of the very top UWS gen ed schools has a smattering of NYCHA or whatever else. But when they were redrawing the lines about six years ago the families at 199 (which is mainly Lincoln Towers) were getting split and combined with a large NYCHA complex so they fought hard to make sure the lines for their homes were drawn favorably (i.e. not including NYCHA).

If a school is 75% one ethnic group then that group can influence how things are run. Personally, I would put my hopes more on this than on my 3 year old succeeding on a useless test.

I think G&T is a decent idea for older kids. But starting in K is silly. And the obsessiveness about it among people is mischanneled energy. It really isn't that great. My kid got in to G&T about 8 years ago. We were underwhelmed. They done incredibly well without it. Kind of like how people obsess over Stuy. Plenty of other great options and your child can have a much happier four years of high school. We know tons of kids at Bronx Science and there is a cohort there whose parents see them as epic failures for not getting into Stuy. WTF?

It doesn’t have to be great, G&T just has to be better than the local alternative. Sure, Bronx Science is fine as far as public high schools go.

Very few schools are 75+ percent one ethnic group. Within white and Asian and black and Hispanic are so many sub groups that compete and argue.

Thanks for being an uptown educated white from Manhattan telling an outer borough minority how to run our affairs. I’m sure your experience among octogenarians spending 100+ dollars at Zabars lunches applies to middle class Brooklyn residents.

And thank you outer borough person telling me how to run my affairs. I am living here because I have successfully navigated the system. My family started out where you are. We kept our mouths shut, worked really hard, figured out how the system works (rather than how we wanted it to work) and through a few generations worked our way up. I'm still not rich but I'm comfortable. I'm just trying to provide some constructive suggestions but the usual know-it-all attitude and slander doesn't help.

And by saying "Bronx Science is fine" shows how warped your perspective is. It is one of the best high schools in the world. It is spectacular (I do not have a child there though we strongly considered it). Brainwashing your child to think Stuy or bust is horrible parenting. I am all for setting ambitious goals but that is setting your child up for failure. And I know countless schools who score well enough for Stuy but don't want it because they don't want to be surrounded by those types (and no, this is not a racist comment - I know many Asian families who feel this way).

The lack of emotional intelligence, self-awareness and worldliness demonstrated here is astonishing. Or perhaps it is to be expected. Who knows. I'm out. Best of luck to you.

I successfully navigated the system by using G&T schools, sending my sons to private HSs and then Princeton and MIT. I am rich. I am not asking for any changes to the system. I’m asking to keep it as is and won’t shut my mouth when I see opportunities for hard working families taken away. You are asking for changes.

Bronx science isn’t one of the best high schools in the world, you’d know this if you went private. Trinity Dalton HM Andover Exeter Eton Harrow Harvard-Westlake Pinecrest and hundreds and hundreds of others are better. I wouldn’t consider Stuyvesant either. Stuy and Bronx science have bad matriculation, in part because of anti-Asian college admissions policies. That is part of the reason my sons were sent to private. And thank you President trump for making 529s able to pay 20k a year for privates and not only 10k

Look who just pivoted from being the poor immigrant to the elitist private school family. Aren't you special.

Nice name dropping of schools. Congratulations. You so smart. I know all those schools. I actually know many people who went to most of them. Bronx Science is still an incredible school, particularly for those who can't afford private. Which is most people. Anyone who bad mouths it is pathetic. It has plenty of flaws but is still incredible. As is Stuy (which I wouldn't let my kid go within a mile of). People who hate on schools like these show how little they know.

Based on your attitude I'm sure that you were a real hit at the private school(s) your kids went to. I have had kids in both private and public. I know the drill. I know the type. If your kid hated mainstream culture as much as you do they were probably sad loners. I'm glad they got into good colleges. That doesn't make them successful or happy. I can totally see your kid at MIT. Not sure how you fooled Princeton. If by some miracle your child went to Princeton, I'm sure they failed miserably in bicker. Or perhaps you are just making all of this up. Which is very likely.

You are very bitter and should seek help. All I said was I want G&T schools, the current NYC policy for a long time, to continue. I am proud to be an immigrant. I never said I am poor (although I was).

Elite private schools are over 1/3 financial aid recipients now. Anyone with a great SSAT can get into one and pay for it with reduced tuition.

Bicker, Harvard finals clubs, Yale secret societies are not the be all end all (my son got in where he wanted, Ivy, not that it matters at all. I’m proud of his gpa major and career path). They’re fringe activities for a minority of students. Maybe he was a token. An UWS resident who went to public would be a token too, I don’t know why you hold these groups in high regard or bring them up.

You said “You so smart.” Nice anti-Asian joke. Really tasteful and amusing and original.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there are several people arguing both sides here so people are talking past each other. And a new, truly nasty, racist person has entered the conversation and really made it deteriorate. I think we can all agree on that.

The crux of the issue is Chinese, Russian, and other American subgroups don’t want to go to elementary schools that are predominantly Hispanic or black. That’s the reality whether others want to tiptoe around it. Notice the counter argument is “go to Ps6” which is on the UES, is 63 percent white and 16 percent Asian. Other posters are demanding successful outerborough families make decisions they’d never make themselves.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but if a kid is in a predominantly Russian or Chinese or whatever else neighborhood, the zoned public school will likely be a majority people from that group? So can't they kind of do a coup and demand excellence. I know it is far from as easy as I make it sound, particularly with the nightmarish bureaucracy of the DOE, but it is worth a shot and just as likely to succeed as resting ones hopes on "G&T". Just because something is labeled G&T and has some increasingly arbitrary test doesn't make it great.

School boundaries and ethnic community boundaries are too porous and and don’t overlap either. How much interaction is there between the Orthodox and black residents of Crown Heights? Geographic proximity does not equate to social proximity ant all. Ditto residents of 96th st east and 100th st east, they’re only four blocks away but they have zero meaningful contact other than Nannys or janitors on the UES

Again, by focusing on tests and G&T being ended, you’re simply demanding outerborough ethnics go to schools with blacks and Hispanics in a misguided belief it’d help the their performance. There’s nothing more to your policy preference no matter how it is spun

Not true at all. I live on the UWS. Zones are tiny so are fairly contiguous communities. Even each of the very top UWS gen ed schools has a smattering of NYCHA or whatever else. But when they were redrawing the lines about six years ago the families at 199 (which is mainly Lincoln Towers) were getting split and combined with a large NYCHA complex so they fought hard to make sure the lines for their homes were drawn favorably (i.e. not including NYCHA).

If a school is 75% one ethnic group then that group can influence how things are run. Personally, I would put my hopes more on this than on my 3 year old succeeding on a useless test.

I think G&T is a decent idea for older kids. But starting in K is silly. And the obsessiveness about it among people is mischanneled energy. It really isn't that great. My kid got in to G&T about 8 years ago. We were underwhelmed. They done incredibly well without it. Kind of like how people obsess over Stuy. Plenty of other great options and your child can have a much happier four years of high school. We know tons of kids at Bronx Science and there is a cohort there whose parents see them as epic failures for not getting into Stuy. WTF?

It doesn’t have to be great, G&T just has to be better than the local alternative. Sure, Bronx Science is fine as far as public high schools go.

Very few schools are 75+ percent one ethnic group. Within white and Asian and black and Hispanic are so many sub groups that compete and argue.

Thanks for being an uptown educated white from Manhattan telling an outer borough minority how to run our affairs. I’m sure your experience among octogenarians spending 100+ dollars at Zabars lunches applies to middle class Brooklyn residents.

And thank you outer borough person telling me how to run my affairs. I am living here because I have successfully navigated the system. My family started out where you are. We kept our mouths shut, worked really hard, figured out how the system works (rather than how we wanted it to work) and through a few generations worked our way up. I'm still not rich but I'm comfortable. I'm just trying to provide some constructive suggestions but the usual know-it-all attitude and slander doesn't help.

And by saying "Bronx Science is fine" shows how warped your perspective is. It is one of the best high schools in the world. It is spectacular (I do not have a child there though we strongly considered it). Brainwashing your child to think Stuy or bust is horrible parenting. I am all for setting ambitious goals but that is setting your child up for failure. And I know countless schools who score well enough for Stuy but don't want it because they don't want to be surrounded by those types (and no, this is not a racist comment - I know many Asian families who feel this way).

The lack of emotional intelligence, self-awareness and worldliness demonstrated here is astonishing. Or perhaps it is to be expected. Who knows. I'm out. Best of luck to you.

I successfully navigated the system by using G&T schools, sending my sons to private HSs and then Princeton and MIT. I am rich. I am not asking for any changes to the system. I’m asking to keep it as is and won’t shut my mouth when I see opportunities for hard working families taken away. You are asking for changes.

Bronx science isn’t one of the best high schools in the world, you’d know this if you went private. Trinity Dalton HM Andover Exeter Eton Harrow Harvard-Westlake Pinecrest and hundreds and hundreds of others are better. I wouldn’t consider Stuyvesant either. Stuy and Bronx science have bad matriculation, in part because of anti-Asian college admissions policies. That is part of the reason my sons were sent to private. And thank you President trump for making 529s able to pay 20k a year for privates and not only 10k

Look who just pivoted from being the poor immigrant to the elitist private school family. Aren't you special.

Nice name dropping of schools. Congratulations. You so smart. I know all those schools. I actually know many people who went to most of them. Bronx Science is still an incredible school, particularly for those who can't afford private. Which is most people. Anyone who bad mouths it is pathetic. It has plenty of flaws but is still incredible. As is Stuy (which I wouldn't let my kid go within a mile of). People who hate on schools like these show how little they know.

Based on your attitude I'm sure that you were a real hit at the private school(s) your kids went to. I have had kids in both private and public. I know the drill. I know the type. If your kid hated mainstream culture as much as you do they were probably sad loners. I'm glad they got into good colleges. That doesn't make them successful or happy. I can totally see your kid at MIT. Not sure how you fooled Princeton. If by some miracle your child went to Princeton, I'm sure they failed miserably in bicker. Or perhaps you are just making all of this up. Which is very likely.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there are several people arguing both sides here so people are talking past each other. And a new, truly nasty, racist person has entered the conversation and really made it deteriorate. I think we can all agree on that.

The crux of the issue is Chinese, Russian, and other American subgroups don’t want to go to elementary schools that are predominantly Hispanic or black. That’s the reality whether others want to tiptoe around it. Notice the counter argument is “go to Ps6” which is on the UES, is 63 percent white and 16 percent Asian. Other posters are demanding successful outerborough families make decisions they’d never make themselves.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but if a kid is in a predominantly Russian or Chinese or whatever else neighborhood, the zoned public school will likely be a majority people from that group? So can't they kind of do a coup and demand excellence. I know it is far from as easy as I make it sound, particularly with the nightmarish bureaucracy of the DOE, but it is worth a shot and just as likely to succeed as resting ones hopes on "G&T". Just because something is labeled G&T and has some increasingly arbitrary test doesn't make it great.

School boundaries and ethnic community boundaries are too porous and and don’t overlap either. How much interaction is there between the Orthodox and black residents of Crown Heights? Geographic proximity does not equate to social proximity ant all. Ditto residents of 96th st east and 100th st east, they’re only four blocks away but they have zero meaningful contact other than Nannys or janitors on the UES

Again, by focusing on tests and G&T being ended, you’re simply demanding outerborough ethnics go to schools with blacks and Hispanics in a misguided belief it’d help the their performance. There’s nothing more to your policy preference no matter how it is spun

Not true at all. I live on the UWS. Zones are tiny so are fairly contiguous communities. Even each of the very top UWS gen ed schools has a smattering of NYCHA or whatever else. But when they were redrawing the lines about six years ago the families at 199 (which is mainly Lincoln Towers) were getting split and combined with a large NYCHA complex so they fought hard to make sure the lines for their homes were drawn favorably (i.e. not including NYCHA).

If a school is 75% one ethnic group then that group can influence how things are run. Personally, I would put my hopes more on this than on my 3 year old succeeding on a useless test.

I think G&T is a decent idea for older kids. But starting in K is silly. And the obsessiveness about it among people is mischanneled energy. It really isn't that great. My kid got in to G&T about 8 years ago. We were underwhelmed. They done incredibly well without it. Kind of like how people obsess over Stuy. Plenty of other great options and your child can have a much happier four years of high school. We know tons of kids at Bronx Science and there is a cohort there whose parents see them as epic failures for not getting into Stuy. WTF?

It doesn’t have to be great, G&T just has to be better than the local alternative. Sure, Bronx Science is fine as far as public high schools go.

Very few schools are 75+ percent one ethnic group. Within white and Asian and black and Hispanic are so many sub groups that compete and argue.

Thanks for being an uptown educated white from Manhattan telling an outer borough minority how to run our affairs. I’m sure your experience among octogenarians spending 100+ dollars at Zabars lunches applies to middle class Brooklyn residents.

And thank you outer borough person telling me how to run my affairs. I am living here because I have successfully navigated the system. My family started out where you are. We kept our mouths shut, worked really hard, figured out how the system works (rather than how we wanted it to work) and through a few generations worked our way up. I'm still not rich but I'm comfortable. I'm just trying to provide some constructive suggestions but the usual know-it-all attitude and slander doesn't help.

And by saying "Bronx Science is fine" shows how warped your perspective is. It is one of the best high schools in the world. It is spectacular (I do not have a child there though we strongly considered it). Brainwashing your child to think Stuy or bust is horrible parenting. I am all for setting ambitious goals but that is setting your child up for failure. And I know countless schools who score well enough for Stuy but don't want it because they don't want to be surrounded by those types (and no, this is not a racist comment - I know many Asian families who feel this way).

The lack of emotional intelligence, self-awareness and worldliness demonstrated here is astonishing. Or perhaps it is to be expected. Who knows. I'm out. Best of luck to you.

I successfully navigated the system by using G&T schools, sending my sons to private HSs and then Princeton and MIT. I am rich. I am not asking for any changes to the system. I’m asking to keep it as is and won’t shut my mouth when I see opportunities for hard working families taken away. You are asking for changes.

Bronx science isn’t one of the best high schools in the world, you’d know this if you went private. Trinity Dalton HM Andover Exeter Eton Harrow Harvard-Westlake Pinecrest and hundreds and hundreds of others are better. I wouldn’t consider Stuyvesant either. Stuy and Bronx science have bad matriculation, in part because of anti-Asian college admissions policies. That is part of the reason my sons were sent to private. And thank you President trump for making 529s able to pay 20k a year for privates and not only 10k

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Anonymous wrote:I think there are several people arguing both sides here so people are talking past each other. And a new, truly nasty, racist person has entered the conversation and really made it deteriorate. I think we can all agree on that.

The crux of the issue is Chinese, Russian, and other American subgroups don’t want to go to elementary schools that are predominantly Hispanic or black. That’s the reality whether others want to tiptoe around it. Notice the counter argument is “go to Ps6” which is on the UES, is 63 percent white and 16 percent Asian. Other posters are demanding successful outerborough families make decisions they’d never make themselves.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but if a kid is in a predominantly Russian or Chinese or whatever else neighborhood, the zoned public school will likely be a majority people from that group? So can't they kind of do a coup and demand excellence. I know it is far from as easy as I make it sound, particularly with the nightmarish bureaucracy of the DOE, but it is worth a shot and just as likely to succeed as resting ones hopes on "G&T". Just because something is labeled G&T and has some increasingly arbitrary test doesn't make it great.

School boundaries and ethnic community boundaries are too porous and and don’t overlap either. How much interaction is there between the Orthodox and black residents of Crown Heights? Geographic proximity does not equate to social proximity ant all. Ditto residents of 96th st east and 100th st east, they’re only four blocks away but they have zero meaningful contact other than Nannys or janitors on the UES

Again, by focusing on tests and G&T being ended, you’re simply demanding outerborough ethnics go to schools with blacks and Hispanics in a misguided belief it’d help the their performance. There’s nothing more to your policy preference no matter how it is spun

Not true at all. I live on the UWS. Zones are tiny so are fairly contiguous communities. Even each of the very top UWS gen ed schools has a smattering of NYCHA or whatever else. But when they were redrawing the lines about six years ago the families at 199 (which is mainly Lincoln Towers) were getting split and combined with a large NYCHA complex so they fought hard to make sure the lines for their homes were drawn favorably (i.e. not including NYCHA).

If a school is 75% one ethnic group then that group can influence how things are run. Personally, I would put my hopes more on this than on my 3 year old succeeding on a useless test.

I think G&T is a decent idea for older kids. But starting in K is silly. And the obsessiveness about it among people is mischanneled energy. It really isn't that great. My kid got in to G&T about 8 years ago. We were underwhelmed. They done incredibly well without it. Kind of like how people obsess over Stuy. Plenty of other great options and your child can have a much happier four years of high school. We know tons of kids at Bronx Science and there is a cohort there whose parents see them as epic failures for not getting into Stuy. WTF?

It doesn’t have to be great, G&T just has to be better than the local alternative. Sure, Bronx Science is fine as far as public high schools go.

Very few schools are 75+ percent one ethnic group. Within white and Asian and black and Hispanic are so many sub groups that compete and argue.

Thanks for being an uptown educated white from Manhattan telling an outer borough minority how to run our affairs. I’m sure your experience among octogenarians spending 100+ dollars at Zabars lunches applies to middle class Brooklyn residents.

And thank you outer borough person telling me how to run my affairs. I am living here because I have successfully navigated the system. My family started out where you are. We kept our mouths shut, worked really hard, figured out how the system works (rather than how we wanted it to work) and through a few generations worked our way up. I'm still not rich but I'm comfortable. I'm just trying to provide some constructive suggestions but the usual know-it-all attitude and slander doesn't help.

And by saying "Bronx Science is fine" shows how warped your perspective is. It is one of the best high schools in the world. It is spectacular (I do not have a child there though we strongly considered it). Brainwashing your child to think Stuy or bust is horrible parenting. I am all for setting ambitious goals but that is setting your child up for failure. And I know countless schools who score well enough for Stuy but don't want it because they don't want to be surrounded by those types (and no, this is not a racist comment - I know many Asian families who feel this way).

The lack of emotional intelligence, self-awareness and worldliness demonstrated here is astonishing. Or perhaps it is to be expected. Who knows. I'm out. Best of luck to you.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there are several people arguing both sides here so people are talking past each other. And a new, truly nasty, racist person has entered the conversation and really made it deteriorate. I think we can all agree on that.

The crux of the issue is Chinese, Russian, and other American subgroups don’t want to go to elementary schools that are predominantly Hispanic or black. That’s the reality whether others want to tiptoe around it. Notice the counter argument is “go to Ps6” which is on the UES, is 63 percent white and 16 percent Asian. Other posters are demanding successful outerborough families make decisions they’d never make themselves.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but if a kid is in a predominantly Russian or Chinese or whatever else neighborhood, the zoned public school will likely be a majority people from that group? So can't they kind of do a coup and demand excellence. I know it is far from as easy as I make it sound, particularly with the nightmarish bureaucracy of the DOE, but it is worth a shot and just as likely to succeed as resting ones hopes on "G&T". Just because something is labeled G&T and has some increasingly arbitrary test doesn't make it great.

School boundaries and ethnic community boundaries are too porous and and don’t overlap either. How much interaction is there between the Orthodox and black residents of Crown Heights? Geographic proximity does not equate to social proximity ant all. Ditto residents of 96th st east and 100th st east, they’re only four blocks away but they have zero meaningful contact other than Nannys or janitors on the UES

Again, by focusing on tests and G&T being ended, you’re simply demanding outerborough ethnics go to schools with blacks and Hispanics in a misguided belief it’d help the their performance. There’s nothing more to your policy preference no matter how it is spun

Not true at all. I live on the UWS. Zones are tiny so are fairly contiguous communities. Even each of the very top UWS gen ed schools has a smattering of NYCHA or whatever else. But when they were redrawing the lines about six years ago the families at 199 (which is mainly Lincoln Towers) were getting split and combined with a large NYCHA complex so they fought hard to make sure the lines for their homes were drawn favorably (i.e. not including NYCHA).

If a school is 75% one ethnic group then that group can influence how things are run. Personally, I would put my hopes more on this than on my 3 year old succeeding on a useless test.

I think G&T is a decent idea for older kids. But starting in K is silly. And the obsessiveness about it among people is mischanneled energy. It really isn't that great. My kid got in to G&T about 8 years ago. We were underwhelmed. They done incredibly well without it. Kind of like how people obsess over Stuy. Plenty of other great options and your child can have a much happier four years of high school. We know tons of kids at Bronx Science and there is a cohort there whose parents see them as epic failures for not getting into Stuy. WTF?

It doesn’t have to be great, G&T just has to be better than the local alternative. Sure, Bronx Science is fine as far as public high schools go.

Very few schools are 75+ percent one ethnic group. Within white and Asian and black and Hispanic are so many sub groups that compete and argue.

Thanks for being an uptown educated white from Manhattan telling an outer borough minority how to run our affairs. I’m sure your experience among octogenarians spending 100+ dollars at Zabars lunches applies to middle class Brooklyn residents.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there are several people arguing both sides here so people are talking past each other. And a new, truly nasty, racist person has entered the conversation and really made it deteriorate. I think we can all agree on that.

The crux of the issue is Chinese, Russian, and other American subgroups don’t want to go to elementary schools that are predominantly Hispanic or black. That’s the reality whether others want to tiptoe around it. Notice the counter argument is “go to Ps6” which is on the UES, is 63 percent white and 16 percent Asian. Other posters are demanding successful outerborough families make decisions they’d never make themselves.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but if a kid is in a predominantly Russian or Chinese or whatever else neighborhood, the zoned public school will likely be a majority people from that group? So can't they kind of do a coup and demand excellence. I know it is far from as easy as I make it sound, particularly with the nightmarish bureaucracy of the DOE, but it is worth a shot and just as likely to succeed as resting ones hopes on "G&T". Just because something is labeled G&T and has some increasingly arbitrary test doesn't make it great.

School boundaries and ethnic community boundaries are too porous and and don’t overlap either. How much interaction is there between the Orthodox and black residents of Crown Heights? Geographic proximity does not equate to social proximity ant all. Ditto residents of 96th st east and 100th st east, they’re only four blocks away but they have zero meaningful contact other than Nannys or janitors on the UES

Again, by focusing on tests and G&T being ended, you’re simply demanding outerborough ethnics go to schools with blacks and Hispanics in a misguided belief it’d help the their performance. There’s nothing more to your policy preference no matter how it is spun

Not true at all. I live on the UWS. Zones are tiny so are fairly contiguous communities. Even each of the very top UWS gen ed schools has a smattering of NYCHA or whatever else. But when they were redrawing the lines about six years ago the families at 199 (which is mainly Lincoln Towers) were getting split and combined with a large NYCHA complex so they fought hard to make sure the lines for their homes were drawn favorably (i.e. not including NYCHA).

If a school is 75% one ethnic group then that group can influence how things are run. Personally, I would put my hopes more on this than on my 3 year old succeeding on a useless test.

I think G&T is a decent idea for older kids. But starting in K is silly. And the obsessiveness about it among people is mischanneled energy. It really isn't that great. My kid got in to G&T about 8 years ago. We were underwhelmed. They done incredibly well without it. Kind of like how people obsess over Stuy. Plenty of other great options and your child can have a much happier four years of high school. We know tons of kids at Bronx Science and there is a cohort there whose parents see them as epic failures for not getting into Stuy. WTF?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there are several people arguing both sides here so people are talking past each other. And a new, truly nasty, racist person has entered the conversation and really made it deteriorate. I think we can all agree on that.

The crux of the issue is Chinese, Russian, and other American subgroups don’t want to go to elementary schools that are predominantly Hispanic or black. That’s the reality whether others want to tiptoe around it. Notice the counter argument is “go to Ps6” which is on the UES, is 63 percent white and 16 percent Asian. Other posters are demanding successful outerborough families make decisions they’d never make themselves.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but if a kid is in a predominantly Russian or Chinese or whatever else neighborhood, the zoned public school will likely be a majority people from that group? So can't they kind of do a coup and demand excellence. I know it is far from as easy as I make it sound, particularly with the nightmarish bureaucracy of the DOE, but it is worth a shot and just as likely to succeed as resting ones hopes on "G&T". Just because something is labeled G&T and has some increasingly arbitrary test doesn't make it great.

School boundaries and ethnic community boundaries are too porous and and don’t overlap either. How much interaction is there between the Orthodox and black residents of Crown Heights? Geographic proximity does not equate to social proximity ant all. Ditto residents of 96th st east and 100th st east, they’re only four blocks away but they have zero meaningful contact other than Nannys or janitors on the UES

Again, by focusing on tests and G&T being ended, you’re simply demanding outerborough ethnics go to schools with blacks and Hispanics in a misguided belief it’d help the their performance. There’s nothing more to your policy preference no matter how it is spun

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there are several people arguing both sides here so people are talking past each other. And a new, truly nasty, racist person has entered the conversation and really made it deteriorate. I think we can all agree on that.

The crux of the issue is Chinese, Russian, and other American subgroups don’t want to go to elementary schools that are predominantly Hispanic or black. That’s the reality whether others want to tiptoe around it. Notice the counter argument is “go to Ps6” which is on the UES, is 63 percent white and 16 percent Asian. Other posters are demanding successful outerborough families make decisions they’d never make themselves.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but if a kid is in a predominantly Russian or Chinese or whatever else neighborhood, the zoned public school will likely be a majority people from that group? So can't they kind of do a coup and demand excellence. I know it is far from as easy as I make it sound, particularly with the nightmarish bureaucracy of the DOE, but it is worth a shot and just as likely to succeed as resting ones hopes on "G&T". Just because something is labeled G&T and has some increasingly arbitrary test doesn't make it great.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there are several people arguing both sides here so people are talking past each other. And a new, truly nasty, racist person has entered the conversation and really made it deteriorate. I think we can all agree on that.

The crux of the issue is Chinese, Russian, and other American subgroups don’t want to go to elementary schools that are predominantly Hispanic or black. That’s the reality whether others want to tiptoe around it. Notice the counter argument is “go to Ps6” which is on the UES, is 63 percent white and 16 percent Asian. Other posters are demanding successful outerborough families make decisions they’d never make themselves.

Anonymous wrote:I think there are several people arguing both sides here so people are talking past each other. And a new, truly nasty, racist person has entered the conversation and really made it deteriorate. I think we can all agree on that.