Anonymous wrote:Not sure who I feel is ultimately responsible. Mixed feelings.

What this makes me think of is how often celebrities talk about their addictions and sobriety, give interviews, write books and offer advice and how often it's just a bunch of lies offered up as a way to rehab their images, make money or just get attention. So often they are not really sober or they relapse but don't acknowledge that. Perry was just another one.

It's not lies exactly. Whatever they're writing or declaring is probably stated without cynicism. But it's like someone with cancer in remission making a promise. It goes away. Everything seems good. And then it comes back - for whatever reason - and they are dead just like that. Cancer and addiction don't play. I know Matthew Perry tried. He didn't mean to die or fool anyone. I'm sure he thought, hey, ketamine, not a problem like alcohol or opioids. And therapeutic! With a prescription! And it became a problem. I'm sure it absolutely tortured him once his book came out. He was again living a lie. Hiding. Secrets. It must have been excruciating.

There are some good celebrity recovery memoirs. And you can tell who's in a good place. And Matthew Perry wasn't one of them. It's a reality check

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Anonymous wrote:I find it rather stupid that the drug dealer is supposed to make sure their buyers don't die. Matthew is the only one responsible for his own health.

Ultimately yes, but his assistant could have refused to inject him. Could have found rehab for him, counseling, a NA meeting. But no, the assistant chose to help him be an active addict multiple times in one day.

If someone is suicidal would you pull the trigger for them? Help them tie the rope?

Some would for the right amount of money.

Only those with no moral compass would do it.

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Anonymous wrote:I get that he was an addict, but seems over-the-top that he had his “personal assistant” do all the dirty work for him, including doing his injections.

Perhaps I don’t understand the logistics of ketamine injections - are self-injections logistically impossible?

It's intramuscular injections. Probably needs to rotate through a variety of injection sites if he's doing it 3+ times per day. I imagine his body would have been quite bruised, IM's are tough and require a lot of force. He probably needed help on certain injection sites (eg, butt cheek).

Classic. Yet women who do IVF do IM injections themselves, day after day, cycle after cycle.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it rather stupid that the drug dealer is supposed to make sure their buyers don't die. Matthew is the only one responsible for his own health.

Ultimately yes, but his assistant could have refused to inject him. Could have found rehab for him, counseling, a NA meeting. But no, the assistant chose to help him be an active addict multiple times in one day.

If someone is suicidal would you pull the trigger for them? Help them tie the rope?

He had done rehab and was in counseling. This drug was being used to treat depression and Matthew took it too far. Don't compare suicide to drug addiction.

Why didn't the assistant call Matthew's counselor? WHY inject him with ketamine, multiple times? Just why??

Call the counselor, call the rehab clinic, call whoever should be called in that situation. Don't help him inject way too much of the drug. I've lost family to addiction and suicide. Someone who od'd on their meds. I will compare them, thanks.

NP here: and what will they do? Matthew Perry had to want to get clean. A counselor or a rehab can't force him to do anything.

Ok. But no one should give or sell drugs.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it rather stupid that the drug dealer is supposed to make sure their buyers don't die. Matthew is the only one responsible for his own health.

Ultimately yes, but his assistant could have refused to inject him. Could have found rehab for him, counseling, a NA meeting. But no, the assistant chose to help him be an active addict multiple times in one day.

If someone is suicidal would you pull the trigger for them? Help them tie the rope?

He had done rehab and was in counseling. This drug was being used to treat depression and Matthew took it too far. Don't compare suicide to drug addiction.

Why didn't the assistant call Matthew's counselor? WHY inject him with ketamine, multiple times? Just why??

Call the counselor, call the rehab clinic, call whoever should be called in that situation. Don't help him inject way too much of the drug. I've lost family to addiction and suicide. Someone who od'd on their meds. I will compare them, thanks.

If he was so drugged out, how did he make his way to the hot tub and drown alone.
Stop being so self righteous. I do not feel sorry for drug addicts or the idiots that enable them. I do not believe drug addiction is an involuntary condition. Suicidal thoughts are involuntary. They are not the same regardless if you are going to say you lost family to them to make your statements hold more credibility.

Suicidal thoughts are often exacerbated by alcohol and/or drugs.

Not sure who I feel is ultimately responsible. Mixed feelings.

What this makes me think of is how often celebrities talk about their addictions and sobriety, give interviews, write books and offer advice and how often it's just a bunch of lies offered up as a way to rehab their images, make money or just get attention. So often they are not really sober or they relapse but don't acknowledge that. Perry was just another one.

So having a sugar craving is the same as thinking to go kill yourself. Right. You have the ability to put down the cake Karen.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it rather stupid that the drug dealer is supposed to make sure their buyers don't die. Matthew is the only one responsible for his own health.

Ultimately yes, but his assistant could have refused to inject him. Could have found rehab for him, counseling, a NA meeting. But no, the assistant chose to help him be an active addict multiple times in one day.

If someone is suicidal would you pull the trigger for them? Help them tie the rope?

He had done rehab and was in counseling. This drug was being used to treat depression and Matthew took it too far. Don't compare suicide to drug addiction.

Why didn't the assistant call Matthew's counselor? WHY inject him with ketamine, multiple times? Just why??

Call the counselor, call the rehab clinic, call whoever should be called in that situation. Don't help him inject way too much of the drug. I've lost family to addiction and suicide. Someone who od'd on their meds. I will compare them, thanks.

If he was so drugged out, how did he make his way to the hot tub and drown alone.
Stop being so self righteous. I do not feel sorry for drug addicts or the idiots that enable them. I do not believe drug addiction is an involuntary condition. Suicidal thoughts are involuntary. They are not the same regardless if you are going to say you lost family to them to make your statements hold more credibility.

Cravings and suicidal thoughts would be similar. Acting on those intrusive thoughts would also be similar.

Anonymous wrote:I find it rather stupid that the drug dealer is supposed to make sure their buyers don't die. Matthew is the only one responsible for his own health.

Do you feel the same way a out firearms manufacturers?

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Anonymous wrote:I find it rather stupid that the drug dealer is supposed to make sure their buyers don't die. Matthew is the only one responsible for his own health.

Ultimately yes, but his assistant could have refused to inject him. Could have found rehab for him, counseling, a NA meeting. But no, the assistant chose to help him be an active addict multiple times in one day.

If someone is suicidal would you pull the trigger for them? Help them tie the rope?

Some would for the right amount of money.

Anonymous wrote:I get that he was an addict, but seems over-the-top that he had his “personal assistant” do all the dirty work for him, including doing his injections.

Perhaps I don’t understand the logistics of ketamine injections - are self-injections logistically impossible?

It's intramuscular injections. Probably needs to rotate through a variety of injection sites if he's doing it 3+ times per day. I imagine his body would have been quite bruised, IM's are tough and require a lot of force. He probably needed help on certain injection sites (eg, butt cheek).

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Anonymous wrote:I find it rather stupid that the drug dealer is supposed to make sure their buyers don't die. Matthew is the only one responsible for his own health.

Ultimately yes, but his assistant could have refused to inject him. Could have found rehab for him, counseling, a NA meeting. But no, the assistant chose to help him be an active addict multiple times in one day.

If someone is suicidal would you pull the trigger for them? Help them tie the rope?

He had done rehab and was in counseling. This drug was being used to treat depression and Matthew took it too far. Don't compare suicide to drug addiction.

Why didn't the assistant call Matthew's counselor? WHY inject him with ketamine, multiple times? Just why??

Call the counselor, call the rehab clinic, call whoever should be called in that situation. Don't help him inject way too much of the drug. I've lost family to addiction and suicide. Someone who od'd on their meds. I will compare them, thanks.

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I get that he was an addict, but seems over-the-top that he had his “personal assistant” do all the dirty work for him, including doing his injections.

Perhaps I don’t understand the logistics of ketamine injections - are self-injections logistically impossible?

If an addict you cared about asked you to inject them, would you do it? I think I would definitely not, but until you are in a situation you don't know for sure how you would respond.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it rather stupid that the drug dealer is supposed to make sure their buyers don't die. Matthew is the only one responsible for his own health.

Ultimately yes, but his assistant could have refused to inject him. Could have found rehab for him, counseling, a NA meeting. But no, the assistant chose to help him be an active addict multiple times in one day.

If someone is suicidal would you pull the trigger for them? Help them tie the rope?

He had done rehab and was in counseling. This drug was being used to treat depression and Matthew took it too far. Don't compare suicide to drug addiction.

Why didn't the assistant call Matthew's counselor? WHY inject him with ketamine, multiple times? Just why??

Call the counselor, call the rehab clinic, call whoever should be called in that situation. Don't help him inject way too much of the drug. I've lost family to addiction and suicide. Someone who od'd on their meds. I will compare them, thanks.

If he was so drugged out, how did he make his way to the hot tub and drown alone.
Stop being so self righteous. I do not feel sorry for drug addicts or the idiots that enable them. I do not believe drug addiction is an involuntary condition. Suicidal thoughts are involuntary. They are not the same regardless if you are going to say you lost family to them to make your statements hold more credibility.