Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

That is ridiculous.

They really need to just apply to European schools (or many asian countries as well) who you take a test, score high enough you get in

Take your numbers and go play the ponies. See how far that gets you.

🥇 Mage (15-1)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

That is ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:This case is going nowhere. Those stats are run of the mill at those schools, regardless of ethnicity.

However 1450 kids get accepted with certain skin color or rich parents over 1590 kid because.... courage, kindness, and likability?

well, 2 of the schools he applied to are test blind, so probably yes at those. Or there was something they liked in those applications that he lacked--or something unattractive in his application.

For Harvard, it's courage, kindness, and likability however they evaluated the points.

What could be more courageous than revealing himself as one of the students suing Harvard because he fervently believes in the principle of racial equality? The documentary on Fox Nation is worth watching and if you have a negative view of him after watching it, even if you disagree with him philosophically, you are a sick person.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

DP here. Here is the issue. I will spell it out for you. Certain cheating groups ruined the SAT for the majority, who were not cheating. You may want to deny it, or pretend it did not happen - but it did, and now admissions is changed forever. Nothing you say or do, including pointing at other groups, will change that.

Congratulations?

Lol. 'Certain cheating groups ruined the SAT'.

Just say it - you mean Asians. No need to hide behind your racist dog whistle that stereotypes Asians as cheaters. No way possibly that Asians could be that much higher performing than all other racial and ethnic groups - it must be because they cheated or are cheating. What a horrific stereotype.

Your racism and anti-asian hate is showing. Just wear it on your sleeve at this point.

You are not familiar with that particular cheating issue? Look it up! Why am I “racist” for knowing about it? It’s no secret!

There it is folks. Asians cheat.

Wow, what a shocking and vulgar display of racist stereotype. That's like saying black men commit crime, look at the stats!

You hate Asian people, we get it.

The only thing that was "shocking" and "vulgar" was how the cheating happened. Stop trying to stir the pot.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

DP here. Here is the issue. I will spell it out for you. Certain cheating groups ruined the SAT for the majority, who were not cheating. You may want to deny it, or pretend it did not happen - but it did, and now admissions is changed forever. Nothing you say or do, including pointing at other groups, will change that.

Congratulations?

Lol. 'Certain cheating groups ruined the SAT'.

Just say it - you mean Asians. No need to hide behind your racist dog whistle that stereotypes Asians as cheaters. No way possibly that Asians could be that much higher performing than all other racial and ethnic groups - it must be because they cheated or are cheating. What a horrific stereotype.

Your racism and anti-asian hate is showing. Just wear it on your sleeve at this point.

You are not familiar with that particular cheating issue? Look it up! Why am I “racist” for knowing about it? It’s no secret!

There it is folks. Asians cheat.

Wow, what a shocking and vulgar display of racist stereotype. That's like saying black men commit crime, look at the stats!

You hate Asian people, we get it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Then you just deal with an overcrowded CS/ENG dept and nobody in the English dept? So much more does (and should ) go into selecting a freshman class

It really doesn't take a slide ruler or advanced calculus to figure this out.

Fill out application with random assigned number that kids your name and identity. Select top 3 choices for major. Input GPA/SAT. Done.

No fluff. No legacies. No identities. Randomly pick people who meet a cutoff for GPA/SAT. You can include parameters for random selection based on major choice and limits for capacity.

Students get accept or reject letter stating which majors they're admitted to. This is a minor problem.

DP here. Here is the issue. I will spell it out for you. Certain cheating groups ruined the SAT for the majority, who were not cheating. You may want to deny it, or pretend it did not happen - but it did, and now admissions is changed forever. Nothing you say or do, including pointing at other groups, will change that.

Congratulations?

Lol. 'Certain cheating groups ruined the SAT'.

Just say it - you mean Asians. No need to hide behind your racist dog whistle that stereotypes Asians as cheaters. No way possibly that Asians could be that much higher performing than all other racial and ethnic groups - it must be because they cheated or are cheating. What a horrific stereotype.

Your racism and anti-asian hate is showing. Just wear it on your sleeve at this point.

You are not familiar with that particular cheating issue? Look it up! Why am I “racist” for knowing about it? It’s no secret!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Except, there are so many problems with this supposed fair solution and how the algorithm will work:

1. Who is a better engineering candidate...a kid with a 1400 SAT that is 800 Math / 600 Verbal, or a kid with a 1500 SAT that is 700 Math / 800 verbal? Flip that example around for someone applying as an English Major?
2. Who is a better college applicant...the kid that was one of the 10 Regeneron finalists with a 1550 SAT...or a kid that did nothing but has a 1590 SAT?
3. If you are applying to Yale for drama...how does any of this apply?
4. Again, who is the better candidate...the kid that had to work 30 hours per week during the school year to help support his family and got a 1500 SAT with no test prep help, or the rich kid that received 50 hours of paid test prep and scored a 1550?

The list could go on and on...how will the algorithm figure this out?

You have to draw the line in the sand somewhere.

There are too many people with perfect qualifications, as this thread goes on and on about, so most of your points are moot.

Set the limit for quality than randomly choose. End of story. No more fluff garbage like saving infants in 3rd world countries, no more sob stories of growing up without running water, no more BS my dad is an alumni and contributes a lot of money, no more ID crap.

Random selection. Donezo.

You are free to start a university and do exactly this. However, current universities are free to set their own guidelines for selecting students. FYI---they obviously see the value in accepting the low income/inner city student with only a 1500 who works 30 hours/week to help support their family. The fact that it might come at the expense of your kid does not make it the wrong choice. A High SAT does not (and should not) guarantee you admission to an elite college.

Sure. But those same universities claiming they're private and can use racist decision making in their selections should simultaneously be cutoff from federal funding and any research grants from taxpayer dollars. You can't have it both ways.

Schools that are rejecting 95% of their applicants are not using racism. The asian with a 1590/4.0 who gets rejected has good company with many other asians, whites, blacks, hispanics, etc who also got rejected. Plenty of kids with those stats are getting rejected, because the school is rejecting majority of students, most of whom are highly qualified. So it's not "racism" to reject someone with good test scores.

Also, the research done at universities costs the government far less than it would in industry.....remove the research and we would crumble as a country and could not afford to pay full price for the research.

+1

You're making too much sense here. The sock puppet troll will neither understand nor receive it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Except, there are so many problems with this supposed fair solution and how the algorithm will work:

1. Who is a better engineering candidate...a kid with a 1400 SAT that is 800 Math / 600 Verbal, or a kid with a 1500 SAT that is 700 Math / 800 verbal? Flip that example around for someone applying as an English Major?
2. Who is a better college applicant...the kid that was one of the 10 Regeneron finalists with a 1550 SAT...or a kid that did nothing but has a 1590 SAT?
3. If you are applying to Yale for drama...how does any of this apply?
4. Again, who is the better candidate...the kid that had to work 30 hours per week during the school year to help support his family and got a 1500 SAT with no test prep help, or the rich kid that received 50 hours of paid test prep and scored a 1550?

The list could go on and on...how will the algorithm figure this out?

You have to draw the line in the sand somewhere.

There are too many people with perfect qualifications, as this thread goes on and on about, so most of your points are moot.

Set the limit for quality than randomly choose. End of story. No more fluff garbage like saving infants in 3rd world countries, no more sob stories of growing up without running water, no more BS my dad is an alumni and contributes a lot of money, no more ID crap.

Random selection. Donezo.

You are free to start a university and do exactly this. However, current universities are free to set their own guidelines for selecting students. FYI---they obviously see the value in accepting the low income/inner city student with only a 1500 who works 30 hours/week to help support their family. The fact that it might come at the expense of your kid does not make it the wrong choice. A High SAT does not (and should not) guarantee you admission to an elite college.

Sure. But those same universities claiming they're private and can use racist decision making in their selections should simultaneously be cutoff from federal funding and any research grants from taxpayer dollars. You can't have it both ways.

Racist decision making like relying on the SAT, which has a disparate negative impact on Black students?

Or racist decision making like not relying on the SAT, which has a disparate negative impact on Asian students?

What if Yale Engineering uses a strict SAT cutoff and Yale Drama is test blind? Is Yale still tax exempt y/n?

Omg, whatever would we do without Yale drama!

Yale drama (and CMU drama/theater) have produced some of the most renown actors, writers, producers and directors. I think just about everyone would agree that our world is a better place because these programs exist.

Do you know what is a more difficult acceptance than CMU CS...the CMU theater school.

Folks, when you make dismissive and just outright foolish comments like this...it doesn't engender much appreciation for what you think you are trying to achieve.

+1 Netflix and all of the streaming platforms need content.

Eh, just hire the Koreans (which Netflix is increasingly doing anyway) to produce content made abroad for half the price.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Except, there are so many problems with this supposed fair solution and how the algorithm will work:

1. Who is a better engineering candidate...a kid with a 1400 SAT that is 800 Math / 600 Verbal, or a kid with a 1500 SAT that is 700 Math / 800 verbal? Flip that example around for someone applying as an English Major?
2. Who is a better college applicant...the kid that was one of the 10 Regeneron finalists with a 1550 SAT...or a kid that did nothing but has a 1590 SAT?
3. If you are applying to Yale for drama...how does any of this apply?
4. Again, who is the better candidate...the kid that had to work 30 hours per week during the school year to help support his family and got a 1500 SAT with no test prep help, or the rich kid that received 50 hours of paid test prep and scored a 1550?

The list could go on and on...how will the algorithm figure this out?

You have to draw the line in the sand somewhere.

There are too many people with perfect qualifications, as this thread goes on and on about, so most of your points are moot.

Set the limit for quality than randomly choose. End of story. No more fluff garbage like saving infants in 3rd world countries, no more sob stories of growing up without running water, no more BS my dad is an alumni and contributes a lot of money, no more ID crap.

Random selection. Donezo.

You are free to start a university and do exactly this. However, current universities are free to set their own guidelines for selecting students. FYI---they obviously see the value in accepting the low income/inner city student with only a 1500 who works 30 hours/week to help support their family. The fact that it might come at the expense of your kid does not make it the wrong choice. A High SAT does not (and should not) guarantee you admission to an elite college.

Sure. But those same universities claiming they're private and can use racist decision making in their selections should simultaneously be cutoff from federal funding and any research grants from taxpayer dollars. You can't have it both ways.

Racist decision making like relying on the SAT, which has a disparate negative impact on Black students?

Or racist decision making like not relying on the SAT, which has a disparate negative impact on Asian students?

What if Yale Engineering uses a strict SAT cutoff and Yale Drama is test blind? Is Yale still tax exempt y/n?

Omg, whatever would we do without Yale drama!

Yale drama (and CMU drama/theater) have produced some of the most renown actors, writers, producers and directors. I think just about everyone would agree that our world is a better place because these programs exist.

Do you know what is a more difficult acceptance than CMU CS...the CMU theater school.

Folks, when you make dismissive and just outright foolish comments like this...it doesn't engender much appreciation for what you think you are trying to achieve.

+1 Netflix and all of the streaming platforms need content.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Except, there are so many problems with this supposed fair solution and how the algorithm will work:

1. Who is a better engineering candidate...a kid with a 1400 SAT that is 800 Math / 600 Verbal, or a kid with a 1500 SAT that is 700 Math / 800 verbal? Flip that example around for someone applying as an English Major?
2. Who is a better college applicant...the kid that was one of the 10 Regeneron finalists with a 1550 SAT...or a kid that did nothing but has a 1590 SAT?
3. If you are applying to Yale for drama...how does any of this apply?
4. Again, who is the better candidate...the kid that had to work 30 hours per week during the school year to help support his family and got a 1500 SAT with no test prep help, or the rich kid that received 50 hours of paid test prep and scored a 1550?

The list could go on and on...how will the algorithm figure this out?

You have to draw the line in the sand somewhere.

There are too many people with perfect qualifications, as this thread goes on and on about, so most of your points are moot.

Set the limit for quality than randomly choose. End of story. No more fluff garbage like saving infants in 3rd world countries, no more sob stories of growing up without running water, no more BS my dad is an alumni and contributes a lot of money, no more ID crap.

Random selection. Donezo.

You are free to start a university and do exactly this. However, current universities are free to set their own guidelines for selecting students. FYI---they obviously see the value in accepting the low income/inner city student with only a 1500 who works 30 hours/week to help support their family. The fact that it might come at the expense of your kid does not make it the wrong choice. A High SAT does not (and should not) guarantee you admission to an elite college.

Sure. But those same universities claiming they're private and can use racist decision making in their selections should simultaneously be cutoff from federal funding and any research grants from taxpayer dollars. You can't have it both ways.

Racist decision making like relying on the SAT, which has a disparate negative impact on Black students?

Or racist decision making like not relying on the SAT, which has a disparate negative impact on Asian students?

What if Yale Engineering uses a strict SAT cutoff and Yale Drama is test blind? Is Yale still tax exempt y/n?

Omg, whatever would we do without Yale drama!

Spend even more time entertaining ourselves on DCUM?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Except, there are so many problems with this supposed fair solution and how the algorithm will work:

1. Who is a better engineering candidate...a kid with a 1400 SAT that is 800 Math / 600 Verbal, or a kid with a 1500 SAT that is 700 Math / 800 verbal? Flip that example around for someone applying as an English Major?
2. Who is a better college applicant...the kid that was one of the 10 Regeneron finalists with a 1550 SAT...or a kid that did nothing but has a 1590 SAT?
3. If you are applying to Yale for drama...how does any of this apply?
4. Again, who is the better candidate...the kid that had to work 30 hours per week during the school year to help support his family and got a 1500 SAT with no test prep help, or the rich kid that received 50 hours of paid test prep and scored a 1550?

The list could go on and on...how will the algorithm figure this out?

You have to draw the line in the sand somewhere.

There are too many people with perfect qualifications, as this thread goes on and on about, so most of your points are moot.

Set the limit for quality than randomly choose. End of story. No more fluff garbage like saving infants in 3rd world countries, no more sob stories of growing up without running water, no more BS my dad is an alumni and contributes a lot of money, no more ID crap.

Random selection. Donezo.

You are free to start a university and do exactly this. However, current universities are free to set their own guidelines for selecting students. FYI---they obviously see the value in accepting the low income/inner city student with only a 1500 who works 30 hours/week to help support their family. The fact that it might come at the expense of your kid does not make it the wrong choice. A High SAT does not (and should not) guarantee you admission to an elite college.

Sure. But those same universities claiming they're private and can use racist decision making in their selections should simultaneously be cutoff from federal funding and any research grants from taxpayer dollars. You can't have it both ways.

Racist decision making like relying on the SAT, which has a disparate negative impact on Black students?

Or racist decision making like not relying on the SAT, which has a disparate negative impact on Asian students?

What if Yale Engineering uses a strict SAT cutoff and Yale Drama is test blind? Is Yale still tax exempt y/n?

Omg, whatever would we do without Yale drama!

Yale drama (and CMU drama/theater) have produced some of the most renown actors, writers, producers and directors. I think just about everyone would agree that our world is a better place because these programs exist.

Do you know what is a more difficult acceptance than CMU CS...the CMU theater school.

Folks, when you make dismissive and just outright foolish comments like this...it doesn't engender much appreciation for what you think you are trying to achieve.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the solution.

Set a filter with X GPA and Y SAT scores. Throw all people who make it into the pool and use a random computer algorithm to pick people.

Totally the fairest way to choose. All of the extraneous stuff is nonsense. Schools should decide where they want to set the bar for quality, then have a completely race agnostic system for selection. Drawing straws is fair after the cutoff is met.

Except, there are so many problems with this supposed fair solution and how the algorithm will work:

1. Who is a better engineering candidate...a kid with a 1400 SAT that is 800 Math / 600 Verbal, or a kid with a 1500 SAT that is 700 Math / 800 verbal? Flip that example around for someone applying as an English Major?
2. Who is a better college applicant...the kid that was one of the 10 Regeneron finalists with a 1550 SAT...or a kid that did nothing but has a 1590 SAT?
3. If you are applying to Yale for drama...how does any of this apply?
4. Again, who is the better candidate...the kid that had to work 30 hours per week during the school year to help support his family and got a 1500 SAT with no test prep help, or the rich kid that received 50 hours of paid test prep and scored a 1550?

The list could go on and on...how will the algorithm figure this out?

You have to draw the line in the sand somewhere.

There are too many people with perfect qualifications, as this thread goes on and on about, so most of your points are moot.

Set the limit for quality than randomly choose. End of story. No more fluff garbage like saving infants in 3rd world countries, no more sob stories of growing up without running water, no more BS my dad is an alumni and contributes a lot of money, no more ID crap.

Random selection. Donezo.

You are free to start a university and do exactly this. However, current universities are free to set their own guidelines for selecting students. FYI---they obviously see the value in accepting the low income/inner city student with only a 1500 who works 30 hours/week to help support their family. The fact that it might come at the expense of your kid does not make it the wrong choice. A High SAT does not (and should not) guarantee you admission to an elite college.

Sure. But those same universities claiming they're private and can use racist decision making in their selections should simultaneously be cutoff from federal funding and any research grants from taxpayer dollars. You can't have it both ways.

Racist decision making like relying on the SAT, which has a disparate negative impact on Black students?

Or racist decision making like not relying on the SAT, which has a disparate negative impact on Asian students?

What if Yale Engineering uses a strict SAT cutoff and Yale Drama is test blind? Is Yale still tax exempt y/n?

Omg, whatever would we do without Yale drama!

Is the rule now that everything you don’t think is valuable should be banned?

Anonymous wrote:Op-ed from (Asian-American) professors at University of Maryland and USC about why affirmative action is not hurting Asian-Americans

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-06-14/affirmative-action-supreme-court-harvard-case-asian-americans

(cross-posted to the other Affirmative Action thread)

Excellent article!

Love that it points out the "likability" factor---that there are whites, blacks and latinos are also rated low in this, just like some asians. Given that ~30% of Harvards fall 2023 class will be Asian, there are plenty who scored high enough in ALL categories to gain admission. So perhaps it is time that those complaining recognize the reason they got rejected is 1) 95%+ of applicants got rejected, it's not personal, it's happening to most applicants and 2) maybe you just don't have the "it factor" that Harvard is looking for that distinguishes those admitted from those who aren't---it's not just about test scores....it's also about recommendations and other stuff.

Not having the "IT Factor" is very likely---not everyone who gets a 1600 and 4.0UW will have it. In fact, kids who are driven just to get top scores may have lost the ability to be intellectually curious along the way and to take risks. Those that have it will shine thru, no matter what their "scores" That is who Harvard wants (and most T20s).

Op-ed from (Asian-American) professors at University of Maryland and USC about why affirmative action is not hurting Asian-Americans

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-06-14/affirmative-action-supreme-court-harvard-case-asian-americans

(cross-posted to the other Affirmative Action thread)