Can’t wait til his lawyers raise a competency defense.

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Anonymous wrote:A line has been crossed, and a precedent set.

You will regret this, dems.

Donald Trump has been committing crimes his entire adult life and getting away with it. He should not be able to hide behind a Presidency.

The precedent is "no one is above the law". It's a good one.


Now what you are insinuating, is that the GOP will make up crimes to prosecute Dems with. This would not surprise me. They have been making up crimes and prosecuting Dems with them in the court of public opinion for all of my lifetime.

GOP have always played dirty.

Yep. Remember how they wasted tens of millions of taxpayer dollars and two years on almost a dozen separate investigations into Hillary Clinton's "crimes" regarding Benghazi, yet couldn't actually come up with one single criminal, prosecutable thing?

"What difference does it make???!"

You tell us.

Anonymous wrote:A line has been crossed, and a precedent set.

You will regret this, dems.

I agree, pp.
I predict Bragg will come out looking like a fool.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of corporations pay hush money. How is this case different?

You’ll find out on Tuesday.

Following up to say that the judge has signed an order to unseal the indictment, so it could be before Tuesday.

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Anonymous wrote:A line has been crossed, and a precedent set.

You will regret this, dems.

Donald Trump has been committing crimes his entire adult life and getting away with it. He should not be able to hide behind a Presidency.

The precedent is "no one is above the law". It's a good one.


Now what you are insinuating, is that the GOP will make up crimes to prosecute Dems with. This would not surprise me. They have been making up crimes and prosecuting Dems with them in the court of public opinion for all of my lifetime.

GOP have always played dirty.

Yep. Remember how they wasted tens of millions of taxpayer dollars and two years on almost a dozen separate investigations into Hillary Clinton's "crimes" regarding Benghazi, yet couldn't actually come up with one single criminal, prosecutable thing?

"What difference does it make???!"

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Anonymous wrote:A line has been crossed, and a precedent set.

You will regret this, dems.

Donald Trump has been committing crimes his entire adult life and getting away with it. He should not be able to hide behind a Presidency.

The precedent is "no one is above the law". It's a good one.


Now what you are insinuating, is that the GOP will make up crimes to prosecute Dems with. This would not surprise me. They have been making up crimes and prosecuting Dems with them in the court of public opinion for all of my lifetime.

GOP have always played dirty.

Yep. Remember how they wasted tens of millions of taxpayer dollars and two years on almost a dozen separate investigations into Hillary Clinton's "crimes" regarding Benghazi, yet couldn't actually come up with one single criminal, prosecutable thing?

To be fair, they investigated the Secretary of State for security lapses at a CIA annex so it's not as if they were ever going to find culpability.

Anonymous wrote:Is Trump going to be a US version of Navalny?

You guys are really tied to this narrative that this is a witch hunt, huh.

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Anonymous wrote:A line has been crossed, and a precedent set.

You will regret this, dems.

Donald Trump has been committing crimes his entire adult life and getting away with it. He should not be able to hide behind a Presidency.

The precedent is "no one is above the law". It's a good one.


Now what you are insinuating, is that the GOP will make up crimes to prosecute Dems with. This would not surprise me. They have been making up crimes and prosecuting Dems with them in the court of public opinion for all of my lifetime.

GOP have always played dirty.

Yep. Remember how they wasted tens of millions of taxpayer dollars and two years on almost a dozen separate investigations into Hillary Clinton's "crimes" regarding Benghazi, yet couldn't actually come up with one single criminal, prosecutable thing?

And remember how extensively Whitewater was investigated to bring down Bill, but they had to settle for indicting him over lying about a bj under oath because Whitewater was such a nothingburger?

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Anonymous wrote:A 34-count indictment? It’s more than just the hush money.

+34

Right?

Is Trump going to be a US version of Navalny?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it was very calculated that the “boring” state tax fraud case was the one that Trump was indicted for. He’s been indicted for actions he took as a private citizen - not a president and not a former president. Biden’s DOJ is not involved at all. A grand jury in the state of New York decided to indict based on the evidence before them.

This is an action state grand juries across the country take on a regular routine basis.

If anything, this signals the strength of our democracy and the rule of law.

I don’t believe this to be true. I think, unfortunately, this was the reverse of democracy, i.e. give me the man, and I’ll find you the crime. It’s not surprising to me at all, given this DA has let a lot of violent criminals essentially free to hurt others again.

Love the MAGA talking points here re: the DA. But what are you going to do when the evidence shows he committed the crimes beyond a reasonable doubt? No one made up these crimes to play a game of gotcha with Trump. TWO people have been convicted of crimes related to this. Neither had as much to benefit as Trump himself.

Remember the pee tapes (Lordy there are tapes)? Please produce. Remember the Steele dossier that even Steele himself was just barroom talk?

Pelosi said Trump has to prove his innocence. Agree?

Do you understand that Michael Cohen and Allen Weisselberg are, or have been, in jail because of this crime? The same one that there is an "Individual 1" who, as described in the previous indictments and sentencing documents are obviously Trump? I mean, if Trump's DOJ put Cohen behind bars for this, then why should Trump face court and possible jail as well?

Do you understand that Cohen went to prison for other crimes? Do some research.
He pleaded guilty to other crimes that probably weren't really crimes at all. They attached those "crimes" in order to go after Trump down the road.
Interesting that the DOJ passed on the "crimes" that Bragg is evidently pursuing. If indeed, these are the "crimes" in the indictment, I believe even judges in deep blue NYC will see that this is a political prosecution and throw out the charges. And, if they don't, it sure will be fun to see (or hear about) Michael Cohen as a witness. The convicted liar.

DP. You are correct that Cohen went to prison for other crimes (tax evasion and false statements to banks), which were related to his personal business/tax interests. But these were IN ADDITION TO campaign finance violations related to Individual-1 (DJT)'s presidential campaign.[/b] The campaign finance crimes alone can result in up to 5 years of prison time. You can read the SDNY's press release detailing all the charges here below. Not sure why you write "crimes" with quotes around the word.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/michael-cohen-pleads-guilty-manhattan-federal-court-eight-counts-including-criminal-tax

Regarding the DOJ passing on these crimes, you neglect to mention that Trump's DOJ interfered and squashed any efforts to pursue charges against Trump.

"What they [federal prosecutors at SDNY] actually found was that Cohen acted at Trump’s direction and to Trump’s benefit. Why didn’t prosecutors pursue the matter further? According to Geoffrey Berman — the Trump-appointed U.S. attorney in the Southern District of New York, who wrote a book about his experiences — it’s because there was political interference from other Trump appointees who ordered prosecutors to end their investigation. Indeed, according to Berman’s book, then-Attorney General Bill Barr not only intervened in the case, he tried to kill the ongoing investigation and even suggested that Cohen’s conviction should be reversed. The GOP committee chairs wrote yesterday that federal prosecutors “determined that no additional people would be charged alongside Cohen,” but they conveniently overlooked why they made that determination. It wasn’t because of a thorough review of the law; it was because Trump’s attorney general told them to stop — because in the previous [Trump] administration, the brazen politicization of federal law enforcement was the norm."
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/key-reason-doj-didnt-prosecute-trumps-hush-money-case-rcna75887

This current indictment is not the only one Trump is potentially facing. He may also face charges in the following investigations:
*the Georgia 2020 election interference investigation (Fulton County District Attorney's Office)
*A pair of investigations into Trump's actions around Jan. 6 and his mishandling of classified documents (the U.S. Department of Justice).

And that doesn't even take into account the criminal and civil cases launched against Trump.
https://www.justsecurity.org/75032/litigation-tracker-pending-criminal-and-civil-cases-against-donald-trump/

Generally, where there's smoke, there's fire.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it was very calculated that the “boring” state tax fraud case was the one that Trump was indicted for. He’s been indicted for actions he took as a private citizen - not a president and not a former president. Biden’s DOJ is not involved at all. A grand jury in the state of New York decided to indict based on the evidence before them.

This is an action state grand juries across the country take on a regular routine basis.

If anything, this signals the strength of our democracy and the rule of law.

I don’t believe this to be true. I think, unfortunately, this was the reverse of democracy, i.e. give me the man, and I’ll find you the crime. It’s not surprising to me at all, given this DA has let a lot of violent criminals essentially free to hurt others again.

Love the MAGA talking points here re: the DA. But what are you going to do when the evidence shows he committed the crimes beyond a reasonable doubt? No one made up these crimes to play a game of gotcha with Trump. TWO people have been convicted of crimes related to this. Neither had as much to benefit as Trump himself.

Remember the pee tapes (Lordy there are tapes)? Please produce. Remember the Steele dossier that even Steele himself was just barroom talk?

Pelosi said Trump has to prove his innocence. Agree?

Do you understand that Michael Cohen and Allen Weisselberg are, or have been, in jail because of this crime? The same one that there is an "Individual 1" who, as described in the previous indictments and sentencing documents are obviously Trump? I mean, if Trump's DOJ put Cohen behind bars for this, then why should Trump face court and possible jail as well?

Should Trump have to prove his innocence? Yes or no

Given ALL the corruption and lying we've seen from him - yes, he should have to prove his innocence to the public

In a court of law, the prosecution must prove his guilt

Do you not get that distinction?

Pelosi evidently believes he has to prove his innocence in a court of law. Not surprising, really. We all knew she has difficulty grasping legal issues.

And you are mincing words. Innocent until presumed guilty and if you win your trial, people assume you have proven your innocence.

Unless you are OJ.

I believe it is "presumed innocent" until proven guilty, not that you are innocent until proven guilty.
And winning your trial does not mean you are innocent of the charges. It means you weren't found guilty beyaond a reasonable doubt.

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Anonymous wrote:A line has been crossed, and a precedent set.

You will regret this, dems.

Donald Trump has been committing crimes his entire adult life and getting away with it. He should not be able to hide behind a Presidency.

The precedent is "no one is above the law". It's a good one.


Now what you are insinuating, is that the GOP will make up crimes to prosecute Dems with. This would not surprise me. They have been making up crimes and prosecuting Dems with them in the court of public opinion for all of my lifetime.

GOP have always played dirty.

Yep. Remember how they wasted tens of millions of taxpayer dollars and two years on almost a dozen separate investigations into Hillary Clinton's "crimes" regarding Benghazi, yet couldn't actually come up with one single criminal, prosecutable thing?

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A line has been crossed, and a precedent set.

You will regret this, dems.

What grade are you in?

Anonymous wrote:A line has been crossed, and a precedent set.

You will regret this, dems.

Ha ha. Said by the side that LOVES Trump largely because of all the lines he crosses.

Prove me wrong.

You can’t celebrate line crossing with your guy and celebrate him because he isn’t bound to precedent, and then complain because of line crossing and precedent setting. Not without being a hypocrite.