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Anonymous wrote:Saw this posted elsewhere: https://www.gazetteleader.com/arlington/opinion/letter-turner-is-optimal-choice-in-school-board-race-6909377

To the editor: We are writing to express our enthusiastic support for Miranda Turner to receive the Democratic endorsement for the Arlington School Board election.

We have been elementary-school tutors for disadvantaged Arlington and D.C. students. We have witnessed the severe extent that the last few years have significantly diminished literacy and widened equity gaps. Our current reality is that Arlington has kids in fourth and fifth grade who are functionally illiterate. Instead of reading to learn, they are still struggling with learning to read.

Turner’s No. 1 priority is rightly on instruction. She advocates for an all-hands-on-deck approach to support classroom educators in their effort to reverse this trend. She supports increased instructional time, interventionists, tutoring and after-school and summer programs to counter the attainment gaps in literacy and numeracy.

Turner supports both equity and excellence. She recognizes that we must address achievement gaps and ensure that Arlington maintains high standards. Every student should be given the opportunity, access and support to reach his or her highest potential with advanced/accelerated classes.

Turner is a longtime Arlington resident and ardent APS volunteer, serving in several roles. She has a personal stake in school-system performance with three children. She is a successful attorney and community advocate. We are lucky she enthusiastically wants to serve on the School Board to help our community.

If you are an Arlington Democrat, please join us in supporting Miranda in the upcoming caucus.

Sam and Debbie Kirzner, Arlington

I think he is APE so no surprise. Her APE supporters are her base. We already knew that.

He's a retired guy in ArlDems who volunteers in the community. Try again.

Anti-APE folks just can't believe that a democrat was/is/could be a member of APE, can they?
I don't know if the people who signed the letter were/were not or are/are not part of APE. And I really don't care. But I"ll take their perspective as outlined in their letter more credibly than that of someone so anti-APE that they can't believe anyone but a MAGA republican could align with the group, and who can't move beyond it.

What are you talking about? I am no fan of APE but no one is saying that APE is all MAGA Republicans. There are some Dems in APE, there are a lot of DINOs in there, there are a lot of Republicans in there, there are Rs who voted in the last Dem caucus, and then there are the MAGA Republicans in there.

There are enough Rs in APE that they aligned with Republican positions during the pandemic. For instance, they were the only Arlington group that I can think of that didn't support our school board when it stood up to the overreaching by Youngkin in his politicized exec order prohibiting masking during the Omicrom surge.

Yes, standing in 2023, it's obvious that the mask mandate was the only thing between us and certain death and destruction. Are you really out here still fighting for masks?

There we go. APE tough guy ready to throw down about masks.

Nice job electing a POS republican just so you could drop the masks one month early. Way to ruin it for everyone.

You are so out of touch that you don't realize that most Dems now agree the mask mandates were irrelevant. You're still out there fighting old battles that don't even matter.

It doesn’t matter now. It didn’t matter one month after you elected Youngkin.

The point was that Republicans politicized covid/masks/vaccines/school openings/CRT/bathrooms/etc. Instead of rationally these topics, we get bullies, many Republican, who were trying to force their beliefs on everyone else.

In 2023, that is relevant because we have POS R governor because of this politicization. And we have a SB candidate who stood by and watched all of that nastiness go down in her group and thought that was acceptable.

There you go again, trying to blame Miranda Turner for all of your political grievances.

I’m holding her accountable for her own actions.

She chose to lead that group and to continue leading that group.

We get it. Sounds like she doesn't need your votes.

She picked up Matt de Ferranti today

https://twitter.com/Miranda4APS/status/1652004751964504068?s=20

But this one from an ASHPA leader is something else.

https://twitter.com/Miranda4APS/status/1651951652117663745?s=20

Do these people actually vet candidates before they give their endorsement?

Do they really want to support someone with a Youngkin/Nomani/Prior supporting husband?

So embarrassing.

You realize this is the DC area, right? Do you know how common these types of marriages are? No one cares but you.

You should be happy for MT. She got a Youngkin voter to support a Democrat, after all

Correct, she got a Youngkin voter to support a DINO.

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Anonymous wrote:Been telling neighbors about the kid and they can’t believe he’s 22. Maybe a couple of them make it out to vote.

So where do the candidates stand on standards based grading?

APE asked about it in the candidate questionnaire: https://www.arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/school-board-2023. Only Miranda answered. Looks like Angelo didn't bother responding at all. Sounds par for the course. He's a no show at the advisory committee meetings, a no show at at least two forums, no show at his own election, and not bothering to engage with a community group. Whether you like APE or not, not responding is not the action of a community leader who wants to work with everyone.

Maybe that's because there is no separation between APE and MT's campaign? He might as well stop by the Turner family reunion to campaign. And APE has constantly criticized APS for standards-based grading. Just like the missing middle people, they always claim to be opposed to "the process" when anyone proposes something progressive. Frankly, I think it's principled to not respond to APE's questionnaire. I don't want a community leader that touches such a divisive group even with a 10-foot pole.

Agreed. APE is a LOBBYING GROUP. They have been trying to get Miranda elected for years. They may as well be her personal PAC. Angelo is smart to not answer their little questionnaire. He answered the AGIA questionnaire and did a dang good job with it too.

People keep putting him down for his age but he's proving himself to be savvy.

APE derangement runs deep. What is wrong with their "little" questionnaire?

From Miranda's page, it looks like they asked about 1) Remedying subsitute (Gasp!); 2) Standards-based grading (pearl clutch); 3) Reducing class sizes (Pass the smelling salts!); 4) Learning Loss and Achievement gaps (Dastardly!) 5) device usage at schools (villians!)

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/6041ba6620a81d18855bdb62/t/64512b38322df0273fd9abe7/1683041080616/APE+Miranda+Turner+Responses+April+2023.docx.pdf

It's 5 questions. Written responses. Seems like a fair arrangement so that there was an equal playing field. He could have asked Reid to do his homework for him if he was too busy finishing his finals.

He could have but he didn't want to play APE's game. Good for him. APE isn't a legit org. They're a lobbying group, and right now they exist to elect Miranda.

He answered the AGIA questions so it's not like he's against answering questions from a LEGIT group.

I also heard from ACDC peeps that APE asked for a debate and AC turned them DOWN. Never got confirmation though, so I don't know if APE ever wanted a debate and didn't get it, or if it's just a rumor. I agree PP, I'd say it's a power move and APE just doesn't like when they're spurned.

That APE questionnaire was a "power move?" And just what "power" do you think it has? They put out something to address the issues they want addressed. The opponent chose not to respond - when responding would have given him a prime opportunity to distinguish himself/his views on the very specific topics everyone is so critical of APE for.

I'm pretty sure, actually, that APE put it out on its FB page for people to ask questions they wanted asked of the candidates. They also survey members to select priorities. So it's a pretty democratic process.

As for astroturfing, if you watch what they are doing, they actually ARE advocating for more transparency, etc. They pushed for the dashboard. They are asking APS to show more data. This is a real thing the org does.

Thanks, Jeff, for deleting the other link and explaining why. I clicked on it, and that was some crazy conspiracy stuff, that, again, mostly boiled down to the fact that Turner has friends who are Republicans.

DP. You’re minimizing her relationships. She partnered with them for years. One works at a Koch think tank. And you’re overlooking the bullying/vitriol that she found acceptable.

blah blah blah

We'll find out soon enough if Arlington is as concerned about a mid-level guy at GMU or think she is to answer for other's behavior. Can we retire this if she wins?

If she wins and she's on the school board, then her ties to RWNJs are even more relevant. I'd like to know who our school members are beholden to, and who we can thank if our school board stops standing up to Youngkin nonsense.

One member isn't going to turn the entire board around and change the entire course of APS' direction. And if she turns out to be that awful, nobody else of her ilk will be elected to join her on the board and she won't be re-elected; and we'll all go back to the liberal sheep herd mentality "leading" our schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Saw this posted elsewhere: https://www.gazetteleader.com/arlington/opinion/letter-turner-is-optimal-choice-in-school-board-race-6909377

To the editor: We are writing to express our enthusiastic support for Miranda Turner to receive the Democratic endorsement for the Arlington School Board election.

We have been elementary-school tutors for disadvantaged Arlington and D.C. students. We have witnessed the severe extent that the last few years have significantly diminished literacy and widened equity gaps. Our current reality is that Arlington has kids in fourth and fifth grade who are functionally illiterate. Instead of reading to learn, they are still struggling with learning to read.

Turner’s No. 1 priority is rightly on instruction. She advocates for an all-hands-on-deck approach to support classroom educators in their effort to reverse this trend. She supports increased instructional time, interventionists, tutoring and after-school and summer programs to counter the attainment gaps in literacy and numeracy.

Turner supports both equity and excellence. She recognizes that we must address achievement gaps and ensure that Arlington maintains high standards. Every student should be given the opportunity, access and support to reach his or her highest potential with advanced/accelerated classes.

Turner is a longtime Arlington resident and ardent APS volunteer, serving in several roles. She has a personal stake in school-system performance with three children. She is a successful attorney and community advocate. We are lucky she enthusiastically wants to serve on the School Board to help our community.

If you are an Arlington Democrat, please join us in supporting Miranda in the upcoming caucus.

Sam and Debbie Kirzner, Arlington

I think he is APE so no surprise. Her APE supporters are her base. We already knew that.

He's a retired guy in ArlDems who volunteers in the community. Try again.

Anti-APE folks just can't believe that a democrat was/is/could be a member of APE, can they?
I don't know if the people who signed the letter were/were not or are/are not part of APE. And I really don't care. But I"ll take their perspective as outlined in their letter more credibly than that of someone so anti-APE that they can't believe anyone but a MAGA republican could align with the group, and who can't move beyond it.

What are you talking about? I am no fan of APE but no one is saying that APE is all MAGA Republicans. There are some Dems in APE, there are a lot of DINOs in there, there are a lot of Republicans in there, there are Rs who voted in the last Dem caucus, and then there are the MAGA Republicans in there.

There are enough Rs in APE that they aligned with Republican positions during the pandemic. For instance, they were the only Arlington group that I can think of that didn't support our school board when it stood up to the overreaching by Youngkin in his politicized exec order prohibiting masking during the Omicrom surge.

Yes, standing in 2023, it's obvious that the mask mandate was the only thing between us and certain death and destruction. Are you really out here still fighting for masks?

There we go. APE tough guy ready to throw down about masks.

Nice job electing a POS republican just so you could drop the masks one month early. Way to ruin it for everyone.

You are so out of touch that you don't realize that most Dems now agree the mask mandates were irrelevant. You're still out there fighting old battles that don't even matter.

It doesn’t matter now. It didn’t matter one month after you elected Youngkin.

The point was that Republicans politicized covid/masks/vaccines/school openings/CRT/bathrooms/etc. Instead of rationally these topics, we get bullies, many Republican, who were trying to force their beliefs on everyone else.

In 2023, that is relevant because we have POS R governor because of this politicization. And we have a SB candidate who stood by and watched all of that nastiness go down in her group and thought that was acceptable.

There you go again, trying to blame Miranda Turner for all of your political grievances.

I’m holding her accountable for her own actions.

She chose to lead that group and to continue leading that group.

We get it. Sounds like she doesn't need your votes.

She picked up Matt de Ferranti today

https://twitter.com/Miranda4APS/status/1652004751964504068?s=20

But this one from an ASHPA leader is something else.

https://twitter.com/Miranda4APS/status/1651951652117663745?s=20

Do these people actually vet candidates before they give their endorsement?

Do they really want to support someone with a Youngkin/Nomani/Prior supporting husband?

So embarrassing.

You realize this is the DC area, right? Do you know how common these types of marriages are? No one cares but you.

You should be happy for MT. She got a Youngkin voter to support a Democrat, after all

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Anonymous wrote:Been telling neighbors about the kid and they can’t believe he’s 22. Maybe a couple of them make it out to vote.

So where do the candidates stand on standards based grading?

APE asked about it in the candidate questionnaire: https://www.arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/school-board-2023. Only Miranda answered. Looks like Angelo didn't bother responding at all. Sounds par for the course. He's a no show at the advisory committee meetings, a no show at at least two forums, no show at his own election, and not bothering to engage with a community group. Whether you like APE or not, not responding is not the action of a community leader who wants to work with everyone.

Maybe that's because there is no separation between APE and MT's campaign? He might as well stop by the Turner family reunion to campaign. And APE has constantly criticized APS for standards-based grading. Just like the missing middle people, they always claim to be opposed to "the process" when anyone proposes something progressive. Frankly, I think it's principled to not respond to APE's questionnaire. I don't want a community leader that touches such a divisive group even with a 10-foot pole.

Agreed. APE is a LOBBYING GROUP. They have been trying to get Miranda elected for years. They may as well be her personal PAC. Angelo is smart to not answer their little questionnaire. He answered the AGIA questionnaire and did a dang good job with it too.

People keep putting him down for his age but he's proving himself to be savvy.

APE derangement runs deep. What is wrong with their "little" questionnaire?

From Miranda's page, it looks like they asked about 1) Remedying subsitute (Gasp!); 2) Standards-based grading (pearl clutch); 3) Reducing class sizes (Pass the smelling salts!); 4) Learning Loss and Achievement gaps (Dastardly!) 5) device usage at schools (villians!)

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/6041ba6620a81d18855bdb62/t/64512b38322df0273fd9abe7/1683041080616/APE+Miranda+Turner+Responses+April+2023.docx.pdf

It's 5 questions. Written responses. Seems like a fair arrangement so that there was an equal playing field. He could have asked Reid to do his homework for him if he was too busy finishing his finals.

He could have but he didn't want to play APE's game. Good for him. APE isn't a legit org. They're a lobbying group, and right now they exist to elect Miranda.

He answered the AGIA questions so it's not like he's against answering questions from a LEGIT group.

omg I swear you sound like the exact person who would be engaging g in the kind of FB groups and making the same disgusting comments as these people.I wouldn’t even be surprised if you were actually part of a group just like this in Arlington. If Angelo has you a supporter he is exactly the kind of person I don’t want bc I don’t want him bringing crazy people like you along with him

https://wjla.com/news/local/loudoun-love-warriors-facebook-group-threats-buta-biberaj-juli-briskman-ian-serotkin-brenda-sheridan-atoosa-reaser-erika-ogedegbe-craig-buckley-phyllis-randall-puja-khanna-anne-donohuemark-winn-county-school-board-parents#

And here comes the APE/Miranda attack brigade again. Triggered because someone truthfully pointed out that APE is a lobbying group, and that Angelo answered the AGIA questions but not APE's.

People in Arlington who are engaged in the same smear tactics as the ironically named “loudoun love warriors” should be careful before they end up becoming the story. Not hard to see who is obsessed with APE, Miranda and it’s members. Doubt they want their names trotted out in local news stories.

We see exactly what you are doing. You just made a thinly veiled threat to TROT OUT THE NAMES IN LOCAL NEWS STORIES of those who disagree with Miranda and APE. Not hard to see where this is coming from, given that you made the threat against those who are "obsessed" with APE, Miranda and APE members.

Do you have the names? I don’t have the names. But if you know deep throat, you should probably stage an intervention because they are deranged and increasingly desperate. Ask the loudon love warriors how that’s going for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Saw this posted elsewhere: https://www.gazetteleader.com/arlington/opinion/letter-turner-is-optimal-choice-in-school-board-race-6909377

To the editor: We are writing to express our enthusiastic support for Miranda Turner to receive the Democratic endorsement for the Arlington School Board election.

We have been elementary-school tutors for disadvantaged Arlington and D.C. students. We have witnessed the severe extent that the last few years have significantly diminished literacy and widened equity gaps. Our current reality is that Arlington has kids in fourth and fifth grade who are functionally illiterate. Instead of reading to learn, they are still struggling with learning to read.

Turner’s No. 1 priority is rightly on instruction. She advocates for an all-hands-on-deck approach to support classroom educators in their effort to reverse this trend. She supports increased instructional time, interventionists, tutoring and after-school and summer programs to counter the attainment gaps in literacy and numeracy.

Turner supports both equity and excellence. She recognizes that we must address achievement gaps and ensure that Arlington maintains high standards. Every student should be given the opportunity, access and support to reach his or her highest potential with advanced/accelerated classes.

Turner is a longtime Arlington resident and ardent APS volunteer, serving in several roles. She has a personal stake in school-system performance with three children. She is a successful attorney and community advocate. We are lucky she enthusiastically wants to serve on the School Board to help our community.

If you are an Arlington Democrat, please join us in supporting Miranda in the upcoming caucus.

Sam and Debbie Kirzner, Arlington

I think he is APE so no surprise. Her APE supporters are her base. We already knew that.

He's a retired guy in ArlDems who volunteers in the community. Try again.

Anti-APE folks just can't believe that a democrat was/is/could be a member of APE, can they?
I don't know if the people who signed the letter were/were not or are/are not part of APE. And I really don't care. But I"ll take their perspective as outlined in their letter more credibly than that of someone so anti-APE that they can't believe anyone but a MAGA republican could align with the group, and who can't move beyond it.

What are you talking about? I am no fan of APE but no one is saying that APE is all MAGA Republicans. There are some Dems in APE, there are a lot of DINOs in there, there are a lot of Republicans in there, there are Rs who voted in the last Dem caucus, and then there are the MAGA Republicans in there.

There are enough Rs in APE that they aligned with Republican positions during the pandemic. For instance, they were the only Arlington group that I can think of that didn't support our school board when it stood up to the overreaching by Youngkin in his politicized exec order prohibiting masking during the Omicrom surge.

Yes, standing in 2023, it's obvious that the mask mandate was the only thing between us and certain death and destruction. Are you really out here still fighting for masks?

There we go. APE tough guy ready to throw down about masks.

Nice job electing a POS republican just so you could drop the masks one month early. Way to ruin it for everyone.

You are so out of touch that you don't realize that most Dems now agree the mask mandates were irrelevant. You're still out there fighting old battles that don't even matter.

It doesn’t matter now. It didn’t matter one month after you elected Youngkin.

The point was that Republicans politicized covid/masks/vaccines/school openings/CRT/bathrooms/etc. Instead of rationally these topics, we get bullies, many Republican, who were trying to force their beliefs on everyone else.

In 2023, that is relevant because we have POS R governor because of this politicization. And we have a SB candidate who stood by and watched all of that nastiness go down in her group and thought that was acceptable.

There you go again, trying to blame Miranda Turner for all of your political grievances.

I’m holding her accountable for her own actions.

She chose to lead that group and to continue leading that group.

We get it. Sounds like she doesn't need your votes.

She picked up Matt de Ferranti today

https://twitter.com/Miranda4APS/status/1652004751964504068?s=20

But this one from an ASHPA leader is something else.

https://twitter.com/Miranda4APS/status/1651951652117663745?s=20

Do these people actually vet candidates before they give their endorsement?

Do they really want to support someone with a Youngkin/Nomani/Prior supporting husband?

So embarrassing.

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jsteele wrote:I am not going to allow links to the Google doc to which some posters have linked. We generally do not allow anonymous criticism of non-public figures by name unless the poster also identifies themselves. The document in question mentions several non-public figures and is being circulated by someone using the pseudonym "Deep Throat". If Mr. or Ms. Throat would like to identify themselves, posters will be free to link to the document. But, short of that, I will remove any such links.

I'd encourage Mr. or Ms. Throat to identify themselves too but I think it's relevant, and I wouldn't characterize the board members of an org that is one candidate's brainchild (Miranda is literally a founder) as "non-public figures," especially when one of them is her campaign manager and they're all public tweets and quotes from APE's website. It raises some very valid character issues. I for one found it shocking. I mean I knew there were some strange bedfellows with Miranda, but it seems like her whole universe is Rs with really out-of-the-mainstream ideas.

I'd suggest a review of the matter since I feel it's more than fair game but I guess all I'll say is people can look for themselves if interested on Twitter @/protectarled but not linking anything without your say so, message received.

I suspect you know exactly who set up that Twitter because it’s you. Even if everything on there was true (and it is not), none of it is anything Miranda Turner said or did. It’s all slimy insinuations and smears that are very tenuously linked to the actual candidate.

No some of it was exactly what Miranda said/did. It was the positions APE took when she led APE. That is her record and it is relevant to this campaign. Maybe Mr./Ms. Throat could repost that part. It shouldn't be controversial.

Agree that her husband's political views are not relevant. I still think the public statements made by the APE board members and Miranda's campaign manager are fair game. They put them out there, why can't we talk about them?

Interesting. I haven't heard anything about her husband's political views. Is she married to a Trumper? If so, that shows questionable judgment.

Lol no he is not a trumper. The conspiracy theorist is assuming someone on twitter w a troll account is her husband….but it’s not. I know this for a fact. I don’t think the conspiracy theorist is making the point they think they are. They’re trying to paint ape as some evil cabal but they just make the ape haters look deranged. Anyone with even the slightest discerning judgment can see that.

Somebody made an account for him back in 2014 and has been actively retweeting pics of their kids and a bunch of MAGA political crap since 2020?

Guess they are playing the long game.

It's not a troll account.

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Anonymous wrote:Been telling neighbors about the kid and they can’t believe he’s 22. Maybe a couple of them make it out to vote.

So where do the candidates stand on standards based grading?

APE asked about it in the candidate questionnaire: https://www.arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/school-board-2023. Only Miranda answered. Looks like Angelo didn't bother responding at all. Sounds par for the course. He's a no show at the advisory committee meetings, a no show at at least two forums, no show at his own election, and not bothering to engage with a community group. Whether you like APE or not, not responding is not the action of a community leader who wants to work with everyone.

Maybe that's because there is no separation between APE and MT's campaign? He might as well stop by the Turner family reunion to campaign. And APE has constantly criticized APS for standards-based grading. Just like the missing middle people, they always claim to be opposed to "the process" when anyone proposes something progressive. Frankly, I think it's principled to not respond to APE's questionnaire. I don't want a community leader that touches such a divisive group even with a 10-foot pole.

Agreed. APE is a LOBBYING GROUP. They have been trying to get Miranda elected for years. They may as well be her personal PAC. Angelo is smart to not answer their little questionnaire. He answered the AGIA questionnaire and did a dang good job with it too.

People keep putting him down for his age but he's proving himself to be savvy.

APE derangement runs deep. What is wrong with their "little" questionnaire?

From Miranda's page, it looks like they asked about 1) Remedying subsitute (Gasp!); 2) Standards-based grading (pearl clutch); 3) Reducing class sizes (Pass the smelling salts!); 4) Learning Loss and Achievement gaps (Dastardly!) 5) device usage at schools (villians!)

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/6041ba6620a81d18855bdb62/t/64512b38322df0273fd9abe7/1683041080616/APE+Miranda+Turner+Responses+April+2023.docx.pdf

It's 5 questions. Written responses. Seems like a fair arrangement so that there was an equal playing field. He could have asked Reid to do his homework for him if he was too busy finishing his finals.

He could have but he didn't want to play APE's game. Good for him. APE isn't a legit org. They're a lobbying group, and right now they exist to elect Miranda.

He answered the AGIA questions so it's not like he's against answering questions from a LEGIT group.

omg I swear you sound like the exact person who would be engaging g in the kind of FB groups and making the same disgusting comments as these people.I wouldn’t even be surprised if you were actually part of a group just like this in Arlington. If Angelo has you a supporter he is exactly the kind of person I don’t want bc I don’t want him bringing crazy people like you along with him

https://wjla.com/news/local/loudoun-love-warriors-facebook-group-threats-buta-biberaj-juli-briskman-ian-serotkin-brenda-sheridan-atoosa-reaser-erika-ogedegbe-craig-buckley-phyllis-randall-puja-khanna-anne-donohuemark-winn-county-school-board-parents#

And here comes the APE/Miranda attack brigade again. Triggered because someone truthfully pointed out that APE is a lobbying group, and that Angelo answered the AGIA questions but not APE's.

People in Arlington who are engaged in the same smear tactics as the ironically named “loudoun love warriors” should be careful before they end up becoming the story. Not hard to see who is obsessed with APE, Miranda and it’s members. Doubt they want their names trotted out in local news stories.

We see exactly what you are doing. You just made a thinly veiled threat to TROT OUT THE NAMES IN LOCAL NEWS STORIES of those who disagree with Miranda and APE. Not hard to see where this is coming from, given that you made the threat against those who are "obsessed" with APE, Miranda and APE members.

PP. If you are not deep throat, you don’t have much to be concerned about. My comment was about the ABC7 news story. The Loudon love warriors used similar supposedly anonymous smear tactics. But guess what? There are digital footprints including IP addresses here and other metadata people don’t realize are being collected. When law enforcement and media get involved, as in loudon, people learn real quick that their anonymous identities aren’t so anonymous.

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So where do the candidates stand on standards based grading?

APE asked about it in the candidate questionnaire: https://www.arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/school-board-2023. Only Miranda answered. Looks like Angelo didn't bother responding at all. Sounds par for the course. He's a no show at the advisory committee meetings, a no show at at least two forums, no show at his own election, and not bothering to engage with a community group. Whether you like APE or not, not responding is not the action of a community leader who wants to work with everyone.

Maybe that's because there is no separation between APE and MT's campaign? He might as well stop by the Turner family reunion to campaign. And APE has constantly criticized APS for standards-based grading. Just like the missing middle people, they always claim to be opposed to "the process" when anyone proposes something progressive. Frankly, I think it's principled to not respond to APE's questionnaire. I don't want a community leader that touches such a divisive group even with a 10-foot pole.

Agreed. APE is a LOBBYING GROUP. They have been trying to get Miranda elected for years. They may as well be her personal PAC. Angelo is smart to not answer their little questionnaire. He answered the AGIA questionnaire and did a dang good job with it too.

People keep putting him down for his age but he's proving himself to be savvy.

APE derangement runs deep. What is wrong with their "little" questionnaire?

From Miranda's page, it looks like they asked about 1) Remedying subsitute (Gasp!); 2) Standards-based grading (pearl clutch); 3) Reducing class sizes (Pass the smelling salts!); 4) Learning Loss and Achievement gaps (Dastardly!) 5) device usage at schools (villians!)

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/6041ba6620a81d18855bdb62/t/64512b38322df0273fd9abe7/1683041080616/APE+Miranda+Turner+Responses+April+2023.docx.pdf

It's 5 questions. Written responses. Seems like a fair arrangement so that there was an equal playing field. He could have asked Reid to do his homework for him if he was too busy finishing his finals.

He could have but he didn't want to play APE's game. Good for him. APE isn't a legit org. They're a lobbying group, and right now they exist to elect Miranda.

He answered the AGIA questions so it's not like he's against answering questions from a LEGIT group.

I also heard from ACDC peeps that APE asked for a debate and AC turned them DOWN. Never got confirmation though, so I don't know if APE ever wanted a debate and didn't get it, or if it's just a rumor. I agree PP, I'd say it's a power move and APE just doesn't like when they're spurned.

That APE questionnaire was a "power move?" And just what "power" do you think it has? They put out something to address the issues they want addressed. The opponent chose not to respond - when responding would have given him a prime opportunity to distinguish himself/his views on the very specific topics everyone is so critical of APE for.

I'm pretty sure, actually, that APE put it out on its FB page for people to ask questions they wanted asked of the candidates. They also survey members to select priorities. So it's a pretty democratic process.

As for astroturfing, if you watch what they are doing, they actually ARE advocating for more transparency, etc. They pushed for the dashboard. They are asking APS to show more data. This is a real thing the org does.

Thanks, Jeff, for deleting the other link and explaining why. I clicked on it, and that was some crazy conspiracy stuff, that, again, mostly boiled down to the fact that Turner has friends who are Republicans.

DP. You’re minimizing her relationships. She partnered with them for years. One works at a Koch think tank. And you’re overlooking the bullying/vitriol that she found acceptable.

NP. Are you saying we should never advocate alongside someone unless we agree 100%? The dude works for a GMU think tank that receives limited funding from Koch (like many other museums and other great causes). Looks like a libertarian group. Hardly worthy of the insinuations of your post.

I wouldn’t advocate and partner with people who were all out abusive to others in our community. In the same community she’s seeking a public office.

Sounds like you should vote for MT. Angelo’s supporters are interfering in an election and posting conspiracy theories under an anonymous account. He is aligned with them unless he denounces them and demands them to reveal their names and state the truth.

Just to be clear, there are no Angelo supporters. There are only Miranda haters.

I would maybe prefer someone with more ties to Arlington, but I think he's a good candidate. He can bring a fresh perspective.

I support him.

More ties to Arlington? He has exactly zero.
He will not stay here, if he doesn’t win. He’s not invested here in any way.
And sadly, I think he has no perspective; his only “experience” is having been a student in a very-different-from-Arlington school district. Every little club he ever signed up with and (likely also didn’t show up at) is way overblown, it’s painfully obvious.
Also, he has zero interest in education, only in climbing the political ladder.

In the extremely short time he’s been here in Arlington - a few months- he’s rapidly signed up for various local committees and associations, apparently to pad his resume, and he has been a no show at nearly all the meetings. All his answers I’ve seen are either platitudes or non-relevant. Even if he ends up as the only candidate on the ballot I will not vote for him.

He’s a Democrat who has a positive attitude and wants to help our community.

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So where do the candidates stand on standards based grading?

APE asked about it in the candidate questionnaire: https://www.arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/school-board-2023. Only Miranda answered. Looks like Angelo didn't bother responding at all. Sounds par for the course. He's a no show at the advisory committee meetings, a no show at at least two forums, no show at his own election, and not bothering to engage with a community group. Whether you like APE or not, not responding is not the action of a community leader who wants to work with everyone.

Maybe that's because there is no separation between APE and MT's campaign? He might as well stop by the Turner family reunion to campaign. And APE has constantly criticized APS for standards-based grading. Just like the missing middle people, they always claim to be opposed to "the process" when anyone proposes something progressive. Frankly, I think it's principled to not respond to APE's questionnaire. I don't want a community leader that touches such a divisive group even with a 10-foot pole.

Agreed. APE is a LOBBYING GROUP. They have been trying to get Miranda elected for years. They may as well be her personal PAC. Angelo is smart to not answer their little questionnaire. He answered the AGIA questionnaire and did a dang good job with it too.

People keep putting him down for his age but he's proving himself to be savvy.

APE derangement runs deep. What is wrong with their "little" questionnaire?

From Miranda's page, it looks like they asked about 1) Remedying subsitute (Gasp!); 2) Standards-based grading (pearl clutch); 3) Reducing class sizes (Pass the smelling salts!); 4) Learning Loss and Achievement gaps (Dastardly!) 5) device usage at schools (villians!)

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/6041ba6620a81d18855bdb62/t/64512b38322df0273fd9abe7/1683041080616/APE+Miranda+Turner+Responses+April+2023.docx.pdf

It's 5 questions. Written responses. Seems like a fair arrangement so that there was an equal playing field. He could have asked Reid to do his homework for him if he was too busy finishing his finals.

He could have but he didn't want to play APE's game. Good for him. APE isn't a legit org. They're a lobbying group, and right now they exist to elect Miranda.

He answered the AGIA questions so it's not like he's against answering questions from a LEGIT group.

I also heard from ACDC peeps that APE asked for a debate and AC turned them DOWN. Never got confirmation though, so I don't know if APE ever wanted a debate and didn't get it, or if it's just a rumor. I agree PP, I'd say it's a power move and APE just doesn't like when they're spurned.

That APE questionnaire was a "power move?" And just what "power" do you think it has? They put out something to address the issues they want addressed. The opponent chose not to respond - when responding would have given him a prime opportunity to distinguish himself/his views on the very specific topics everyone is so critical of APE for.

I'm pretty sure, actually, that APE put it out on its FB page for people to ask questions they wanted asked of the candidates. They also survey members to select priorities. So it's a pretty democratic process.

As for astroturfing, if you watch what they are doing, they actually ARE advocating for more transparency, etc. They pushed for the dashboard. They are asking APS to show more data. This is a real thing the org does.

Thanks, Jeff, for deleting the other link and explaining why. I clicked on it, and that was some crazy conspiracy stuff, that, again, mostly boiled down to the fact that Turner has friends who are Republicans.

DP. You’re minimizing her relationships. She partnered with them for years. One works at a Koch think tank. And you’re overlooking the bullying/vitriol that she found acceptable.

NP. Are you saying we should never advocate alongside someone unless we agree 100%? The dude works for a GMU think tank that receives limited funding from Koch (like many other museums and other great causes). Looks like a libertarian group. Hardly worthy of the insinuations of your post.

I wouldn’t advocate and partner with people who were all out abusive to others in our community. In the same community she’s seeking a public office.

Sounds like you should vote for MT. Angelo’s supporters are interfering in an election and posting conspiracy theories under an anonymous account. He is aligned with them unless he denounces them and demands them to reveal their names and state the truth.

Just to be clear, there are no Angelo supporters. There are only Miranda haters.

Haven’t you learned dcum logic by now? Facts don’t matter. MT haters are conspiracy haters who like to create fake accounts to spread lies. They are abusive and want her to lose. Angelo also wants MT lose….ipso facto angelo is spreading lies and aligning himself with those crazies. No thank you. Will not support conspiracy theorist interfering in a misinformation campaign to internet w the election.

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Anonymous wrote:Been telling neighbors about the kid and they can’t believe he’s 22. Maybe a couple of them make it out to vote.

So where do the candidates stand on standards based grading?

APE asked about it in the candidate questionnaire: https://www.arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/school-board-2023. Only Miranda answered. Looks like Angelo didn't bother responding at all. Sounds par for the course. He's a no show at the advisory committee meetings, a no show at at least two forums, no show at his own election, and not bothering to engage with a community group. Whether you like APE or not, not responding is not the action of a community leader who wants to work with everyone.

Maybe that's because there is no separation between APE and MT's campaign? He might as well stop by the Turner family reunion to campaign. And APE has constantly criticized APS for standards-based grading. Just like the missing middle people, they always claim to be opposed to "the process" when anyone proposes something progressive. Frankly, I think it's principled to not respond to APE's questionnaire. I don't want a community leader that touches such a divisive group even with a 10-foot pole.

Agreed. APE is a LOBBYING GROUP. They have been trying to get Miranda elected for years. They may as well be her personal PAC. Angelo is smart to not answer their little questionnaire. He answered the AGIA questionnaire and did a dang good job with it too.

People keep putting him down for his age but he's proving himself to be savvy.

APE derangement runs deep. What is wrong with their "little" questionnaire?

From Miranda's page, it looks like they asked about 1) Remedying subsitute (Gasp!); 2) Standards-based grading (pearl clutch); 3) Reducing class sizes (Pass the smelling salts!); 4) Learning Loss and Achievement gaps (Dastardly!) 5) device usage at schools (villians!)

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/6041ba6620a81d18855bdb62/t/64512b38322df0273fd9abe7/1683041080616/APE+Miranda+Turner+Responses+April+2023.docx.pdf

It's 5 questions. Written responses. Seems like a fair arrangement so that there was an equal playing field. He could have asked Reid to do his homework for him if he was too busy finishing his finals.

He could have but he didn't want to play APE's game. Good for him. APE isn't a legit org. They're a lobbying group, and right now they exist to elect Miranda.

He answered the AGIA questions so it's not like he's against answering questions from a LEGIT group.

I also heard from ACDC peeps that APE asked for a debate and AC turned them DOWN. Never got confirmation though, so I don't know if APE ever wanted a debate and didn't get it, or if it's just a rumor. I agree PP, I'd say it's a power move and APE just doesn't like when they're spurned.

That APE questionnaire was a "power move?" And just what "power" do you think it has? They put out something to address the issues they want addressed. The opponent chose not to respond - when responding would have given him a prime opportunity to distinguish himself/his views on the very specific topics everyone is so critical of APE for.

I'm pretty sure, actually, that APE put it out on its FB page for people to ask questions they wanted asked of the candidates. They also survey members to select priorities. So it's a pretty democratic process.

As for astroturfing, if you watch what they are doing, they actually ARE advocating for more transparency, etc. They pushed for the dashboard. They are asking APS to show more data. This is a real thing the org does.

Thanks, Jeff, for deleting the other link and explaining why. I clicked on it, and that was some crazy conspiracy stuff, that, again, mostly boiled down to the fact that Turner has friends who are Republicans.

DP. You’re minimizing her relationships. She partnered with them for years. One works at a Koch think tank. And you’re overlooking the bullying/vitriol that she found acceptable.

blah blah blah

We'll find out soon enough if Arlington is as concerned about a mid-level guy at GMU or think she is to answer for other's behavior. Can we retire this if she wins?

If she wins and she's on the school board, then her ties to RWNJs are even more relevant. I'd like to know who our school members are beholden to, and who we can thank if our school board stops standing up to Youngkin nonsense.

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jsteele wrote:I am not going to allow links to the Google doc to which some posters have linked. We generally do not allow anonymous criticism of non-public figures by name unless the poster also identifies themselves. The document in question mentions several non-public figures and is being circulated by someone using the pseudonym "Deep Throat". If Mr. or Ms. Throat would like to identify themselves, posters will be free to link to the document. But, short of that, I will remove any such links.

I'd encourage Mr. or Ms. Throat to identify themselves too but I think it's relevant, and I wouldn't characterize the board members of an org that is one candidate's brainchild (Miranda is literally a founder) as "non-public figures," especially when one of them is her campaign manager and they're all public tweets and quotes from APE's website. It raises some very valid character issues. I for one found it shocking. I mean I knew there were some strange bedfellows with Miranda, but it seems like her whole universe is Rs with really out-of-the-mainstream ideas.

I'd suggest a review of the matter since I feel it's more than fair game but I guess all I'll say is people can look for themselves if interested on Twitter @/protectarled but not linking anything without your say so, message received.

I suspect you know exactly who set up that Twitter because it’s you. Even if everything on there was true (and it is not), none of it is anything Miranda Turner said or did. It’s all slimy insinuations and smears that are very tenuously linked to the actual candidate.

No some of it was exactly what Miranda said/did. It was the positions APE took when she led APE. That is her record and it is relevant to this campaign. Maybe Mr./Ms. Throat could repost that part. It shouldn't be controversial.

Agree that her husband's political views are not relevant. I still think the public statements made by the APE board members and Miranda's campaign manager are fair game. They put them out there, why can't we talk about them?

Interesting. I haven't heard anything about her husband's political views. Is she married to a Trumper? If so, that shows questionable judgment.