Anonymous wrote:Israel is an unnatural experiment. It requires a hostile region to exist. With a fully secular ME or at least Ottoman era nonchalance, how many Israelis would stay in non-oil rich Israel and how many would pack their bags to become oil barons in Kuwait or UAE?

Israelis want to leave to the rest of the ME more than Palestinians do. Israel's existence relies on not being friendly with any of their neighbors. It's not a natural country created under natural conditions. Refugees came to the ME, made the natives refugees overnight, and brought the rest of the Jewish diaspora who were successful and doing well in the ME by force into Israel to fight in the IDF against their fellow Arabic speaking brothers. However they cant become prime minister or anything beyond a military general in the so called democratic and fair country of Israel

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Anonymous wrote:Relocated or dead? Biden championed death.

Biden supported a 2 state solution and Palestinian independence (albeit toothlessly).

Trump opposes both.

Which do you think is better for Palestinians?

Trump, obviously. Get the Palestinians far enough away that they can't keep attacking Israel and there will be fewer Palestinian deaths from the predictable and reasonable Israeli responses. Left in place, history shows the Palestinians will never be content to leave well enough alone and will keep trying to fight battles with Israel they historically never win. Their perpetual optimism that they somehow will ever prevail is underpinned by no reality, but keeps them coming back for seconds, thirds, etc. They need to be neutered by being relocated far enough away that they can't keep entertaining such feckless fantasies of eventual dominance.

History? Well that also shows that Jews get chased out of every where they try to live because they cause issues, so Palestinian resistance is warranted if you want to consider history.

Antisemitism is based in envy of Jewish success, and in a lack of religious tolerance, nothing more. In the countries where Jews experienced pogroms and persecution, they did nothing to provoke them; they had lived peacefully among the local populations for centuries until political tides turned against them, typically during periods when governments looked for minority population scapegoats to explain failed economic policies.

Anti-Palestinian sentiment is based on not wanting to live anywhere near people who opt for terrorism, violence, corruption, and perpetual poverty over over peace and a stable, successful civil society. We all know about the so-called nakba excuse but 77 years of failure to thrive and that's still all they have.

Antisemitism, Islamophobia, Orientalism, and every other type of bigotry stem from the same source -- racism and intolerance. White supremacy, Zionism, Aryanism, and every other ideology that promotes one's own group over others are similarly motivated.

Blaming Palestinians for their own predicament is no different from blaming Jews for the Holocaust and is similarly vile. Israel has stolen from and abused Palestinians for decades.

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Anonymous wrote:Relocated or dead? Biden championed death.

Biden supported a 2 state solution and Palestinian independence (albeit toothlessly).

Trump opposes both.

Which do you think is better for Palestinians?

Trump, obviously. Get the Palestinians far enough away that they can't keep attacking Israel and there will be fewer Palestinian deaths from the predictable and reasonable Israeli responses. Left in place, history shows the Palestinians will never be content to leave well enough alone and will keep trying to fight battles with Israel they historically never win. Their perpetual optimism that they somehow will ever prevail is underpinned by no reality, but keeps them coming back for seconds, thirds, etc. They need to be neutered by being relocated far enough away that they can't keep entertaining such feckless fantasies of eventual dominance.

History? Well that also shows that Jews get chased out of every where they try to live because they cause issues, so Palestinian resistance is warranted if you want to consider history.

Black September.

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Anonymous wrote:It is now past time to implement UN Resolution 194:

The United Nations General Assembly adopts resolution 194 (III), resolving that “refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.”

Palestinians now in Gaza need to return to their land and homes that Israel stole during the Nakba. Israel created the problem of two million refugees. It is now morally incumbent on Israel to house and feed them and provide healthcare to all of them and education for their children, who have now been out of school for over a year.

It's absurd to suggest Jordan, Syria, and Egypt take in refugees when they did not create this crisis. Israel created it and needs to clean up after itself.

I heard the Arab states created it . Told Muslims to get out of Israel as they were going to bomb it when Israel first became a free state. So they moved . Some stayed and did not fight in support of Israel so Israel kicked them out. None if the Muslim countries would allow them in thus the start of refugees in Gaza and West Bank. Blame the Muslim communities for creating this problem and not attempting to live in peace.

Your history is incorrect. Zionist terrorist gangs (the Irgun, the Alexandroni Brigade, etc.) and the early version of the IDF ethnically cleansed 750,000 Palestinians (not all Muslim -- some Druze, some Christian) from what is now Israel during the Nakba (1947 to 1949). Zionist terrorists and the IDF also massacred about 15,000 Palestinians, in part to try to scare the rest away. These groups also told Palestinians to "temporarily move" for "security reasons," and then never allowed them to return.

Veterans of the Zionist terrorist groups and the IDF have admitted in interviews that they committed many atrocities against the Palestinians, including rape and murder. They also robbed Palestinians of their possessions. In many cases, Palestinian homes were bulldozed, but some were simply stolen and repurposed. For example, the village of Ein Hod, now an artists' colony, still has its original Palestinian cottages, which were stolen from the rightful inhabitants. The village mosque is now used as a pub. Palestinians were forced over borders into neighboring countries. On the long, forced marches, they had to stop at IDF checkpoints, where Israeli soldiers would pilfer their jewelry, watches, cash, and other belongings. If they tried to get back to their homes to recover some of their possessions, Israeli soldiers would murder them.

This is now well-documented and has been since Teddy Katz, then a student at Haifa University, began researching the topic and interviewing Zionist veterans in the 1980s. Your sanitized version is not true.

Somewhat accurate-ish, but misleadingly incomplete.

All of this happened AFTER the Palestinian leadership rejected the UN mandated 2 state partition and launched attacks on Israelis.

Meanwhile, the nascent Israeli leadership accepted the partition.

So, yes, Israeli extremist militias committed atrocities against Palestinians. But the Palestinian leadership (and their Arab allies) created the initial conflict in rejecting the UN's action and attempting to extirpate Israel.

As usual, plenty of blame to go around and no clean hands in this one.

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Anonymous wrote:Relocated or dead? Biden championed death.

Biden supported a 2 state solution and Palestinian independence (albeit toothlessly).

Trump opposes both.

Which do you think is better for Palestinians?

Trump, obviously. Get the Palestinians far enough away that they can't keep attacking Israel and there will be fewer Palestinian deaths from the predictable and reasonable Israeli responses. Left in place, history shows the Palestinians will never be content to leave well enough alone and will keep trying to fight battles with Israel they historically never win. Their perpetual optimism that they somehow will ever prevail is underpinned by no reality, but keeps them coming back for seconds, thirds, etc. They need to be neutered by being relocated far enough away that they can't keep entertaining such feckless fantasies of eventual dominance.

History? Well that also shows that Jews get chased out of every where they try to live because they cause issues, so Palestinian resistance is warranted if you want to consider history.

Antisemitism is based in envy of Jewish success, and in a lack of religious tolerance, nothing more. In the countries where Jews experienced pogroms and persecution, they did nothing to provoke them; they had lived peacefully among the local populations for centuries until political tides turned against them, typically during periods when governments looked for minority population scapegoats to explain failed economic policies.

Anti-Palestinian sentiment is based on not wanting to live anywhere near people who opt for terrorism, violence, corruption, and perpetual poverty over over peace and a stable, successful civil society. We all know about the so-called nakba excuse but 77 years of failure to thrive and that's still all they have.

No, it's not. You and the pp above sounds utterly stupid and uneducated. For the first pp, Jews did not cause trouble in Europe ever! They were forced into professions by restrictions placed on them, and then blamed that they were not like others! They could not own land, they could not participate in million things, they were left with a handful of professions that they were allowed to do. You two MFs are doing the same that was done to Jews for millennia, blaming the victims. For the second pp, Jews were not all successful and people were not envious of Jews! For one successful Jews, thousands upon thousands starved. STFU!

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Anonymous wrote:It is now past time to implement UN Resolution 194:

The United Nations General Assembly adopts resolution 194 (III), resolving that “refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.”

Palestinians now in Gaza need to return to their land and homes that Israel stole during the Nakba. Israel created the problem of two million refugees. It is now morally incumbent on Israel to house and feed them and provide healthcare to all of them and education for their children, who have now been out of school for over a year.

It's absurd to suggest Jordan, Syria, and Egypt take in refugees when they did not create this crisis. Israel created it and needs to clean up after itself.

I heard the Arab states created it . Told Muslims to get out of Israel as they were going to bomb it when Israel first became a free state. So they moved . Some stayed and did not fight in support of Israel so Israel kicked them out. None if the Muslim countries would allow them in thus the start of refugees in Gaza and West Bank. Blame the Muslim communities for creating this problem and not attempting to live in peace.

Your history is incorrect. Zionist terrorist gangs (the Irgun, the Alexandroni Brigade, etc.) and the early version of the IDF ethnically cleansed 750,000 Palestinians (not all Muslim -- some Druze, some Christian) from what is now Israel during the Nakba (1947 to 1949). Zionist terrorists and the IDF also massacred about 15,000 Palestinians, in part to try to scare the rest away. These groups also told Palestinians to "temporarily move" for "security reasons," and then never allowed them to return.

Veterans of the Zionist terrorist groups and the IDF have admitted in interviews that they committed many atrocities against the Palestinians, including rape and murder. They also robbed Palestinians of their possessions. In many cases, Palestinian homes were bulldozed, but some were simply stolen and repurposed. For example, the village of Ein Hod, now an artists' colony, still has its original Palestinian cottages, which were stolen from the rightful inhabitants. The village mosque is now used as a pub. Palestinians were forced over borders into neighboring countries. On the long, forced marches, they had to stop at IDF checkpoints, where Israeli soldiers would pilfer their jewelry, watches, cash, and other belongings. If they tried to get back to their homes to recover some of their possessions, Israeli soldiers would murder them.

This is now well-documented and has been since Teddy Katz, then a student at Haifa University, began researching the topic and interviewing Zionist veterans in the 1980s. Your sanitized version is not true.

Germans killed millions upon millions of people, all over Europe, not just the Jews. Yet, we are not going around demanding Germany stops existing and murdering Germans. Get on with the times.

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Anonymous wrote:Relocated or dead? Biden championed death.

Biden supported a 2 state solution and Palestinian independence (albeit toothlessly).

Trump opposes both.

Which do you think is better for Palestinians?

Trump, obviously. Get the Palestinians far enough away that they can't keep attacking Israel and there will be fewer Palestinian deaths from the predictable and reasonable Israeli responses. Left in place, history shows the Palestinians will never be content to leave well enough alone and will keep trying to fight battles with Israel they historically never win. Their perpetual optimism that they somehow will ever prevail is underpinned by no reality, but keeps them coming back for seconds, thirds, etc. They need to be neutered by being relocated far enough away that they can't keep entertaining such feckless fantasies of eventual dominance.

History? Well that also shows that Jews get chased out of every where they try to live because they cause issues, so Palestinian resistance is warranted if you want to consider history.

Antisemitism is based in envy of Jewish success, and in a lack of religious tolerance, nothing more. In the countries where Jews experienced pogroms and persecution, they did nothing to provoke them; they had lived peacefully among the local populations for centuries until political tides turned against them, typically during periods when governments looked for minority population scapegoats to explain failed economic policies.

Anti-Palestinian sentiment is based on not wanting to live anywhere near people who opt for terrorism, violence, corruption, and perpetual poverty over over peace and a stable, successful civil society. We all know about the so-called nakba excuse but 77 years of failure to thrive and that's still all they have.

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Anonymous wrote:Relocated or dead? Biden championed death.

Biden supported a 2 state solution and Palestinian independence (albeit toothlessly).

Trump opposes both.

Which do you think is better for Palestinians?

Trump, obviously. Get the Palestinians far enough away that they can't keep attacking Israel and there will be fewer Palestinian deaths from the predictable and reasonable Israeli responses. Left in place, history shows the Palestinians will never be content to leave well enough alone and will keep trying to fight battles with Israel they historically never win. Their perpetual optimism that they somehow will ever prevail is underpinned by no reality, but keeps them coming back for seconds, thirds, etc. They need to be neutered by being relocated far enough away that they can't keep entertaining such feckless fantasies of eventual dominance.

History? Well that also shows that Jews get chased out of every where they try to live because they cause issues, so Palestinian resistance is warranted if you want to consider history.

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Anonymous wrote:It is now past time to implement UN Resolution 194:

The United Nations General Assembly adopts resolution 194 (III), resolving that “refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.”

Palestinians now in Gaza need to return to their land and homes that Israel stole during the Nakba. Israel created the problem of two million refugees. It is now morally incumbent on Israel to house and feed them and provide healthcare to all of them and education for their children, who have now been out of school for over a year.

It's absurd to suggest Jordan, Syria, and Egypt take in refugees when they did not create this crisis. Israel created it and needs to clean up after itself.

I heard the Arab states created it . Told Muslims to get out of Israel as they were going to bomb it when Israel first became a free state. So they moved . Some stayed and did not fight in support of Israel so Israel kicked them out. None if the Muslim countries would allow them in thus the start of refugees in Gaza and West Bank. Blame the Muslim communities for creating this problem and not attempting to live in peace.

Your history is incorrect. Zionist terrorist gangs (the Irgun, the Alexandroni Brigade, etc.) and the early version of the IDF ethnically cleansed 750,000 Palestinians (not all Muslim -- some Druze, some Christian) from what is now Israel during the Nakba (1947 to 1949). Zionist terrorists and the IDF also massacred about 15,000 Palestinians, in part to try to scare the rest away. These groups also told Palestinians to "temporarily move" for "security reasons," and then never allowed them to return.

Veterans of the Zionist terrorist groups and the IDF have admitted in interviews that they committed many atrocities against the Palestinians, including rape and murder. They also robbed Palestinians of their possessions. In many cases, Palestinian homes were bulldozed, but some were simply stolen and repurposed. For example, the village of Ein Hod, now an artists' colony, still has its original Palestinian cottages, which were stolen from the rightful inhabitants. The village mosque is now used as a pub. Palestinians were forced over borders into neighboring countries. On the long, forced marches, they had to stop at IDF checkpoints, where Israeli soldiers would pilfer their jewelry, watches, cash, and other belongings. If they tried to get back to their homes to recover some of their possessions, Israeli soldiers would murder them.

This is now well-documented and has been since Teddy Katz, then a student at Haifa University, began researching the topic and interviewing Zionist veterans in the 1980s. Your sanitized version is not true.

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Anonymous wrote:Relocated or dead? Biden championed death.

Biden supported a 2 state solution and Palestinian independence (albeit toothlessly).

Trump opposes both.

Which do you think is better for Palestinians?

Trump, obviously. Get the Palestinians far enough away that they can't keep attacking Israel and there will be fewer Palestinian deaths from the predictable and reasonable Israeli responses. Left in place, history shows the Palestinians will never be content to leave well enough alone and will keep trying to fight battles with Israel they historically never win. Their perpetual optimism that they somehow will ever prevail is underpinned by no reality, but keeps them coming back for seconds, thirds, etc. They need to be neutered by being relocated far enough away that they can't keep entertaining such feckless fantasies of eventual dominance.

History? Well that also shows that Jews get chased out of every where they try to live because they cause issues, so Palestinian resistance is warranted if you want to consider history.

Antisemitism is based in envy of Jewish success, and in a lack of religious tolerance, nothing more. In the countries where Jews experienced pogroms and persecution, they did nothing to provoke them; they had lived peacefully among the local populations for centuries until political tides turned against them, typically during periods when governments looked for minority population scapegoats to explain failed economic policies.

Anti-Palestinian sentiment is based on not wanting to live anywhere near people who opt for terrorism, violence, corruption, and perpetual poverty over over peace and a stable, successful civil society. We all know about the so-called nakba excuse but 77 years of failure to thrive and that's still all they have.

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Anonymous wrote:Relocated or dead? Biden championed death.

Biden supported a 2 state solution and Palestinian independence (albeit toothlessly).

Trump opposes both.

Which do you think is better for Palestinians?

Trump, obviously. Get the Palestinians far enough away that they can't keep attacking Israel and there will be fewer Palestinian deaths from the predictable and reasonable Israeli responses. Left in place, history shows the Palestinians will never be content to leave well enough alone and will keep trying to fight battles with Israel they historically never win. Their perpetual optimism that they somehow will ever prevail is underpinned by no reality, but keeps them coming back for seconds, thirds, etc. They need to be neutered by being relocated far enough away that they can't keep entertaining such feckless fantasies of eventual dominance.

History? Well that also shows that Jews get chased out of every where they try to live because they cause issues, so Palestinian resistance is warranted if you want to consider history.

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Anonymous wrote:Relocated or dead? Biden championed death.

Biden supported a 2 state solution and Palestinian independence (albeit toothlessly).

Trump opposes both.

Which do you think is better for Palestinians?

Trump, obviously. Get the Palestinians far enough away that they can't keep attacking Israel and there will be fewer Palestinian deaths from the predictable and reasonable Israeli responses. Left in place, history shows the Palestinians will never be content to leave well enough alone and will keep trying to fight battles with Israel they historically never win. Their perpetual optimism that they somehow will ever prevail is underpinned by no reality, but keeps them coming back for seconds, thirds, etc. They need to be neutered by being relocated far enough away that they can't keep entertaining such feckless fantasies of eventual dominance.

History? Well that also shows that Jews get chased out of every where they try to live because they cause issues, so Palestinian resistance is warranted if you want to consider history.