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Anonymous wrote:My favorite part of the evening was a Cardinal Forest mom who complained that everyone looks down on Cardinal Forest (?) and that the community would not support residency checks (??).

Arguing in favor of residency fraud in an open meeting with FCPS staff and school board members is a real choice.

It wasn’t a bad meeting. There’s just a lot of upset Cardinal Forest moms.

I agree with you on the CF mom, but disagree that it wasn't a bad meeting. Sandy totally avoided a question on Rolling Valley, jumped all over a mom who held up a sign (and then Kyle jumped in to mansplain his kids were there and no one should shout (no one was), told the room to stop shitting on other schools (which no one was doing), and I walked away thinking-what the heck is going to happen in 27 and then again in 2030. At one point Sandy said if you want equity 'sell your house to a minority'. I heard nothing about how the school board is actually helping out kids.

I can’t believe I’m here defending Sandy. But she was responding to a speaker complaining that the school board didnt use economic inequalities as a basis for boundary changes and moving middle class and poor kids around to accomplish equity goals. And Sandy said that wasn’t legal. Which is true.

It’s not illegal. It would only be illegal if clearly demonstrated to be a proxy for race.

The MAGAs have gotten into your heads and convinced you that any effort to balance schools economically is “illegal.” That’s not the case, and MCPS, for example, has clearly articulated that it may look at economic demographics when conducting a boundary study.

There is plenty of video footage from school board meetings and work sessions pre November 2024 with members and Dr. Reid openly stating that every bit of rezoning would be centered on One Fairfax and "equity"

And fyi, bussing like that is illegal.

It is not illegal unless someone can prove it was done based on race rather than economics. They clearly aren’t doing that, but it’s because they are politicians acutely aware of who has the loudest voices and the most money, not because it’s illegal.

One fairfax is explicity about things like race and ethnicity.

It is a fairly low hanging fruit to prove since the School Board and Reid have mentioned One Fairfax as the driver for rezoning repeatedly.

A plaintiff would need to prove a lot more than that there were references to One Fairfax.

Y’all pretend that any boundary change that might reduce rather than aggravate economic disparities between neighboring schools would be illegal. That’s not the case at all.

But in any event it’s amusing you’re still so worked up when it’s clear this School Board is a bunch of bumblers who talk equity and back down as soon as someone says “boo.” I get that you’re annoyed that they still plan to look at more boundaries over the next few years when it was held out as five-year reviews, but the result will likely be the same.

DP. Isn’t One Fairfax official policy still? I’m not sure you’d need much else.

Anonymous wrote:I would be upset with that last minute change to increase capacity. They do have all the reasons to be frustrated. That being said, many of their grievances spiraled into things that appear to be school admin specific decisions.

I agree. Cardinal Forest has had trouble getting kids through the lunch line during lunch for years even when it wasn't overcrowded. While overcrowding certainly doesn't help, the fact that a 102% CFES can't provide lunches during lunch while a 107% KMES can suggests that Cardinal Forest is perhaps not run well. Which was reinforced by the discussion about the Cardinal Forest principal stating that they could not hire a permanent 5th grade teacher due to a hiring freeze, which Dr. Reid said was not actually true.

The whole description of the boundary review process is just frustrating. 18 months of community input and BRAC leads to a series of proposals that eliminate a split-feeder attendance island while evening out attendance for three elementaries, which Dr. Reid then alters at the last minute to drastically increase Cardinal Forest students and drastically decrease Keene Mill students. A BRAC rep last night stated that she had no input in and was surprised by Dr. Reid's change, and Dr. Reid didn't seem to know why she made that change, other than some Cardinal Forest walkers were displaced (who might well have also been Keene Mill walkers). As a result, FCPS and the Board is just going to study the issue for a year, which is likely going to result in Cardinal Forest suffering the exact same problems for another year.

And if Dr. Reid is just going to change recommendations at the last minute on a whim, what even is the point of BRAC or community involvement? It just seems like FCPS is doing whatever it feels like under the veneer of community involvement, while also annoying its families by creating an extended time period of uncertainty.

Anonymous wrote:The Cardinal Forest rezoning happened at the last minute because Reid was trying to pull back the map 4 recommendations that moved and fixed that ridiculous Keene Mill island, Shannon Station, to the school they should be attending, White Oaks.

The only way she could avoid rezoning Shannon Station to White Oaks/Lake Braddock was to create a convoluted rezoning of them to Cardinal Forest, which then snowballed into the ridiculous rezoning of walkable Cardinal Forest neighborhoods to Keene Mill.

Shannon Station should have been rezoned to White Oaks and Lake Braddock.

Why Dr. Reid did not adopt that specific part of Map 4 sending Shannon Station to White Oaks and Lake Braddock is a complete mystery to everyone at WSHS.

I generally agree with this, with the following caveat: Using the 1 mile walk standard for elementary school, there actually are a number of homes along Carrleigh that could be walkers to either CFES or KMES (a lot of the parts in SPA 7917 west of Greeley, including Carrleigh, most of Langbrook, and parts of Dabney). In my opinion, the Cardinal Forest HOA and Charleston HOA homes on Carrleigh Forrester-to-Greeley are within 1 mile (and fairly equidistant to) both CFES and KMES, so it could make sense to move them to either school. It certainly did not make sense to split up 7917 while sending CFES to 108 percent and KMES to 88 percent.

Under all of the boundary proposals to change KMES, the vast majority of the students could be walkers to KMES, to the point where they could probably use a single bus for their local non-walker students. Rectifying a weird split-feeder attendance island to save money on transportation seems like a lost opportunity for FCPS and the school board to have an easy "win" in the boundary review process (which seem few and far between). I have no idea what FCPS and the Board is going to do to "study" this change for a year.

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Anonymous wrote:My favorite part of the evening was a Cardinal Forest mom who complained that everyone looks down on Cardinal Forest (?) and that the community would not support residency checks (??).

Arguing in favor of residency fraud in an open meeting with FCPS staff and school board members is a real choice.

It wasn’t a bad meeting. There’s just a lot of upset Cardinal Forest moms.

I agree with you on the CF mom, but disagree that it wasn't a bad meeting. Sandy totally avoided a question on Rolling Valley, jumped all over a mom who held up a sign (and then Kyle jumped in to mansplain his kids were there and no one should shout (no one was), told the room to stop shitting on other schools (which no one was doing), and I walked away thinking-what the heck is going to happen in 27 and then again in 2030. At one point Sandy said if you want equity 'sell your house to a minority'. I heard nothing about how the school board is actually helping out kids.

I can’t believe I’m here defending Sandy. But she was responding to a speaker complaining that the school board didnt use economic inequalities as a basis for boundary changes and moving middle class and poor kids around to accomplish equity goals. And Sandy said that wasn’t legal. Which is true.

It’s not illegal. It would only be illegal if clearly demonstrated to be a proxy for race.

The MAGAs have gotten into your heads and convinced you that any effort to balance schools economically is “illegal.” That’s not the case, and MCPS, for example, has clearly articulated that it may look at economic demographics when conducting a boundary study.

There is plenty of video footage from school board meetings and work sessions pre November 2024 with members and Dr. Reid openly stating that every bit of rezoning would be centered on One Fairfax and "equity"

And fyi, bussing like that is illegal.

It is not illegal unless someone can prove it was done based on race rather than economics. They clearly aren’t doing that, but it’s because they are politicians acutely aware of who has the loudest voices and the most money, not because it’s illegal.

One fairfax is explicity about things like race and ethnicity.

It is a fairly low hanging fruit to prove since the School Board and Reid have mentioned One Fairfax as the driver for rezoning repeatedly.

A plaintiff would need to prove a lot more than that there were references to One Fairfax.

Y’all pretend that any boundary change that might reduce rather than aggravate economic disparities between neighboring schools would be illegal. That’s not the case at all.

But in any event it’s amusing you’re still so worked up when it’s clear this School Board is a bunch of bumblers who talk equity and back down as soon as someone says “boo.” I get that you’re annoyed that they still plan to look at more boundaries over the next few years when it was held out as five-year reviews, but the result will likely be the same.

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Anonymous wrote:My favorite part of the evening was a Cardinal Forest mom who complained that everyone looks down on Cardinal Forest (?) and that the community would not support residency checks (??).

Arguing in favor of residency fraud in an open meeting with FCPS staff and school board members is a real choice.

It wasn’t a bad meeting. There’s just a lot of upset Cardinal Forest moms.

I agree with you on the CF mom, but disagree that it wasn't a bad meeting. Sandy totally avoided a question on Rolling Valley, jumped all over a mom who held up a sign (and then Kyle jumped in to mansplain his kids were there and no one should shout (no one was), told the room to stop shitting on other schools (which no one was doing), and I walked away thinking-what the heck is going to happen in 27 and then again in 2030. At one point Sandy said if you want equity 'sell your house to a minority'. I heard nothing about how the school board is actually helping out kids.

I can’t believe I’m here defending Sandy. But she was responding to a speaker complaining that the school board didnt use economic inequalities as a basis for boundary changes and moving middle class and poor kids around to accomplish equity goals. And Sandy said that wasn’t legal. Which is true.

It’s not illegal. It would only be illegal if clearly demonstrated to be a proxy for race.

The MAGAs have gotten into your heads and convinced you that any effort to balance schools economically is “illegal.” That’s not the case, and MCPS, for example, has clearly articulated that it may look at economic demographics when conducting a boundary study.

There is plenty of video footage from school board meetings and work sessions pre November 2024 with members and Dr. Reid openly stating that every bit of rezoning would be centered on One Fairfax and "equity"

And fyi, bussing like that is illegal.

It is not illegal unless someone can prove it was done based on race rather than economics. They clearly aren’t doing that, but it’s because they are politicians acutely aware of who has the loudest voices and the most money, not because it’s illegal.

One fairfax is explicity about things like race and ethnicity.

It is a fairly low hanging fruit to prove since the School Board and Reid have mentioned One Fairfax as the driver for rezoning repeatedly.

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Anonymous wrote:My favorite part of the evening was a Cardinal Forest mom who complained that everyone looks down on Cardinal Forest (?) and that the community would not support residency checks (??).

Arguing in favor of residency fraud in an open meeting with FCPS staff and school board members is a real choice.

It wasn’t a bad meeting. There’s just a lot of upset Cardinal Forest moms.

I would be upset with that last minute change to increase capacity. They do have all the reasons to be frustrated. That being said, many of their grievances spiraled into things that appear to be school admin specific decisions.

Yes. 100% agree. The issues they were describing are admin and procedural based. Not capacity. Those parents 100% have a right to be upset about that. AND they have every right to be upset about how this was all switched last minute. But they are two different issues at play there. In addition, having lived here for 40 years I have never EVER heard of CFES being called the scum of west springfield. I was completely taken aback by that comment. That is appalling

Someone said that?

No one says that.

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Anonymous wrote:My favorite part of the evening was a Cardinal Forest mom who complained that everyone looks down on Cardinal Forest (?) and that the community would not support residency checks (??).

Arguing in favor of residency fraud in an open meeting with FCPS staff and school board members is a real choice.

It wasn’t a bad meeting. There’s just a lot of upset Cardinal Forest moms.

I would be upset with that last minute change to increase capacity. They do have all the reasons to be frustrated. That being said, many of their grievances spiraled into things that appear to be school admin specific decisions.

Yes. 100% agree. The issues they were describing are admin and procedural based. Not capacity. Those parents 100% have a right to be upset about that. AND they have every right to be upset about how this was all switched last minute. But they are two different issues at play there. In addition, having lived here for 40 years I have never EVER heard of CFES being called the scum of west springfield. I was completely taken aback by that comment. That is appalling

Well, I guess they can fight it out starting next January. Nothing will be last minute and maybe Cardinal Forest families can figure out what they’re asking for. Because it wasn’t at all clear last night. At one point it sounded like they were asking to be removed from the WSHS pyramid because they don’t get enough money and support.

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Anonymous wrote:My favorite part of the evening was a Cardinal Forest mom who complained that everyone looks down on Cardinal Forest (?) and that the community would not support residency checks (??).

Arguing in favor of residency fraud in an open meeting with FCPS staff and school board members is a real choice.

It wasn’t a bad meeting. There’s just a lot of upset Cardinal Forest moms.

I would be upset with that last minute change to increase capacity. They do have all the reasons to be frustrated. That being said, many of their grievances spiraled into things that appear to be school admin specific decisions.

Yes. 100% agree. The issues they were describing are admin and procedural based. Not capacity. Those parents 100% have a right to be upset about that. AND they have every right to be upset about how this was all switched last minute. But they are two different issues at play there. In addition, having lived here for 40 years I have never EVER heard of CFES being called the scum of west springfield. I was completely taken aback by that comment. That is appalling

The Cardinal Forest rezoning happened at the last minute because Reid was trying to pull back the map 4 recommendations that moved and fixed that ridiculous Keene Mill island, Shannon Station, to the school they should be attending, White Oaks.

The only way she could avoid rezoning Shannon Station to White Oaks/Lake Braddock was to create a convoluted rezoning of them to Cardinal Forest, which then snowballed into the ridiculous rezoning of walkable Cardinal Forest neighborhoods to Keene Mill.

Shannon Station should have been rezoned to White Oaks and Lake Braddock.

Why Dr. Reid did not adopt that specific part of Map 4 sending Shannon Station to White Oaks and Lake Braddock is a complete mystery to everyone at WSHS.

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Anonymous wrote:My favorite part of the evening was a Cardinal Forest mom who complained that everyone looks down on Cardinal Forest (?) and that the community would not support residency checks (??).

Arguing in favor of residency fraud in an open meeting with FCPS staff and school board members is a real choice.

It wasn’t a bad meeting. There’s just a lot of upset Cardinal Forest moms.

I agree with you on the CF mom, but disagree that it wasn't a bad meeting. Sandy totally avoided a question on Rolling Valley, jumped all over a mom who held up a sign (and then Kyle jumped in to mansplain his kids were there and no one should shout (no one was), told the room to stop shitting on other schools (which no one was doing), and I walked away thinking-what the heck is going to happen in 27 and then again in 2030. At one point Sandy said if you want equity 'sell your house to a minority'. I heard nothing about how the school board is actually helping out kids.

I can’t believe I’m here defending Sandy. But she was responding to a speaker complaining that the school board didnt use economic inequalities as a basis for boundary changes and moving middle class and poor kids around to accomplish equity goals. And Sandy said that wasn’t legal. Which is true.

It’s not illegal. It would only be illegal if clearly demonstrated to be a proxy for race.

The MAGAs have gotten into your heads and convinced you that any effort to balance schools economically is “illegal.” That’s not the case, and MCPS, for example, has clearly articulated that it may look at economic demographics when conducting a boundary study.

There is plenty of video footage from school board meetings and work sessions pre November 2024 with members and Dr. Reid openly stating that every bit of rezoning would be centered on One Fairfax and "equity"

And fyi, bussing like that is illegal.

It is not illegal unless someone can prove it was done based on race rather than economics. They clearly aren’t doing that, but it’s because they are politicians acutely aware of who has the loudest voices and the most money, not because it’s illegal.

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Anonymous wrote:My favorite part of the evening was a Cardinal Forest mom who complained that everyone looks down on Cardinal Forest (?) and that the community would not support residency checks (??).

Arguing in favor of residency fraud in an open meeting with FCPS staff and school board members is a real choice.

It wasn’t a bad meeting. There’s just a lot of upset Cardinal Forest moms.

I agree with you on the CF mom, but disagree that it wasn't a bad meeting. Sandy totally avoided a question on Rolling Valley, jumped all over a mom who held up a sign (and then Kyle jumped in to mansplain his kids were there and no one should shout (no one was), told the room to stop shitting on other schools (which no one was doing), and I walked away thinking-what the heck is going to happen in 27 and then again in 2030. At one point Sandy said if you want equity 'sell your house to a minority'. I heard nothing about how the school board is actually helping out kids.

I can’t believe I’m here defending Sandy. But she was responding to a speaker complaining that the school board didnt use economic inequalities as a basis for boundary changes and moving middle class and poor kids around to accomplish equity goals. And Sandy said that wasn’t legal. Which is true.

Meren is very much on board with making all things equitable, she isn’t happy with the new school because it is new and nice and shiny and other schools are not. She has complained that the boundary review did nothing for equity and complained about the different language programs that are not equally available. She didn’t mention the IB/AP inequity, which is used to move out of poorer schools to better off schools.

Oh, please. If Meren was in favor of making all things equitable, she would be objecting to making Thoreau and Madison wealthier at the expense of Kilmer and Marshall. Maybe I’m wrong, but it seemed like she is a cheerleader for the wealthy parents wanting to bail on Kilmer and Marshall.

Meren speaks equity and practices self-interest. You think she’s an equity warrior because she wants to protect South Lakes, but that doesn’t mean she cares about equity across the board.

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Anonymous wrote:My favorite part of the evening was a Cardinal Forest mom who complained that everyone looks down on Cardinal Forest (?) and that the community would not support residency checks (??).

Arguing in favor of residency fraud in an open meeting with FCPS staff and school board members is a real choice.

It wasn’t a bad meeting. There’s just a lot of upset Cardinal Forest moms.

I agree with you on the CF mom, but disagree that it wasn't a bad meeting. Sandy totally avoided a question on Rolling Valley, jumped all over a mom who held up a sign (and then Kyle jumped in to mansplain his kids were there and no one should shout (no one was), told the room to stop shitting on other schools (which no one was doing), and I walked away thinking-what the heck is going to happen in 27 and then again in 2030. At one point Sandy said if you want equity 'sell your house to a minority'. I heard nothing about how the school board is actually helping out kids.

I can’t believe I’m here defending Sandy. But she was responding to a speaker complaining that the school board didnt use economic inequalities as a basis for boundary changes and moving middle class and poor kids around to accomplish equity goals. And Sandy said that wasn’t legal. Which is true.

It’s not illegal. It would only be illegal if clearly demonstrated to be a proxy for race.

The MAGAs have gotten into your heads and convinced you that any effort to balance schools economically is “illegal.” That’s not the case, and MCPS, for example, has clearly articulated that it may look at economic demographics when conducting a boundary study.

There is plenty of video footage from school board meetings and work sessions pre November 2024 with members and Dr. Reid openly stating that every bit of rezoning would be centered on One Fairfax and "equity"

And fyi, bussing like that is illegal.

Anonymous wrote:There was a Lewis mom there last night complaining about how their numbers won’t go up after this review and how the school board needs to do something about all the parents who talk mean about the school, because that’s filtering down to the kids and upsetting them.

I liked when Sandy basically threw the WSHS mess at the feet of the previous school board that allowed Daventry to move into the boundary, which led to the current overcrowding. I’ve never heard her publicly admit in an open meeting what we all know but the school board won’t do anything about.

Sandy has been saying the Daventry thing to parents for 18 months.

Then, when she says that she wants to move RV SPA 8922 into WSHS from Lewis, claiming it is only 20 students, and parents point out that Daventry was "only" a dozen students and now many times more than that, she turns around and tells us that we can't use Daventry to estimate the number of kids who will actually end up attending WSHS ffom RV SPA 8922.

It is infuriating.

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Anonymous wrote:My favorite part of the evening was a Cardinal Forest mom who complained that everyone looks down on Cardinal Forest (?) and that the community would not support residency checks (??).

Arguing in favor of residency fraud in an open meeting with FCPS staff and school board members is a real choice.

It wasn’t a bad meeting. There’s just a lot of upset Cardinal Forest moms.

I agree with you on the CF mom, but disagree that it wasn't a bad meeting. Sandy totally avoided a question on Rolling Valley, jumped all over a mom who held up a sign (and then Kyle jumped in to mansplain his kids were there and no one should shout (no one was), told the room to stop shitting on other schools (which no one was doing), and I walked away thinking-what the heck is going to happen in 27 and then again in 2030. At one point Sandy said if you want equity 'sell your house to a minority'. I heard nothing about how the school board is actually helping out kids.

I can’t believe I’m here defending Sandy. But she was responding to a speaker complaining that the school board didnt use economic inequalities as a basis for boundary changes and moving middle class and poor kids around to accomplish equity goals. And Sandy said that wasn’t legal. Which is true.

Meren is very much on board with making all things equitable, she isn’t happy with the new school because it is new and nice and shiny and other schools are not. She has complained that the boundary review did nothing for equity and complained about the different language programs that are not equally available. She didn’t mention the IB/AP inequity, which is used to move out of poorer schools to better off schools.

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Anonymous wrote:My favorite part of the evening was a Cardinal Forest mom who complained that everyone looks down on Cardinal Forest (?) and that the community would not support residency checks (??).

Arguing in favor of residency fraud in an open meeting with FCPS staff and school board members is a real choice.

It wasn’t a bad meeting. There’s just a lot of upset Cardinal Forest moms.

I would be upset with that last minute change to increase capacity. They do have all the reasons to be frustrated. That being said, many of their grievances spiraled into things that appear to be school admin specific decisions.

Yes. 100% agree. The issues they were describing are admin and procedural based. Not capacity. Those parents 100% have a right to be upset about that. AND they have every right to be upset about how this was all switched last minute. But they are two different issues at play there. In addition, having lived here for 40 years I have never EVER heard of CFES being called the scum of west springfield. I was completely taken aback by that comment. That is appalling

Anonymous wrote:My favorite part of the evening was a Cardinal Forest mom who complained that everyone looks down on Cardinal Forest (?) and that the community would not support residency checks (??).

Arguing in favor of residency fraud in an open meeting with FCPS staff and school board members is a real choice.

It wasn’t a bad meeting. There’s just a lot of upset Cardinal Forest moms.

I would be upset with that last minute change to increase capacity. They do have all the reasons to be frustrated. That being said, many of their grievances spiraled into things that appear to be school admin specific decisions.